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Devil May Cry Abilities (No statistics revisions)

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Just to recap, what changes should be performed here?
 
That is not very informative.
 
Resistance to time manipulation for mundus and nelo Angelo the bangle of time had no effect on them

Soul manipulation for Vergil

Abilites for Dante


Transmutation via gigamesh


Can harm intangible beings


Soul manipulation


Resistance to spatial manipulation


Resistance to blood manipulation


Resistance to mind manipulation


Resistance to soul manipulation


Hellfire manipulation via ifrit


And summoning in sparda devil trigger
 
Okay. Is anybody in the staff willing to perform the changes?
 
Also removing the part about their Regenerationn becoming less efficient as their stamina decreases. And the part about Dante refusing to kill humans should either be removed or changed to specify NORMAL humans.
 
@Random

But it does become less efficient.

https://youtu.be/AddD0wbXtYU?t=205

If it Dante's Regenerationn wasn't tied to Dante's stamina or anything like it, it wouldn't become less efficient as he is taking a massive beating from Vergil. We see Dante be impaled and ripped apart before and regenerate like nothing, removing the swords easily, but here he can barely move.
 
All that really shows is that injuries can bring him down and deplete his stamina. They were just as exhausted at the end of their second fight and they stayed whole when they slashed through each other.

I should point out, Matthew, that at 3:57 in the video you just provided, immediately after Vergil pulls the sword out of Dante, you can see his stomach isn't bleeding anymore. You can see it more clearly at 4:02.
 
@Random

Yes, he regenerates, but the beating doesn't stop at 3:57. It just continues and Dante gets more and more destroyed. Nobody is saying that his Regenerationn stops to a halt, just that it becomes shittier.
 
Would you be interested in carrying out the accepted changes Matthew?
 
As I say, at that point he could barely stand, but there still isn't anything that really indicates his healing gets less efficient, all we're seeing is his stamina running out. He weakens, certainly, but nothing really suggests his healing is weaker. We're seeing him get overcome with enough injuries but we've seen the same happen to Wolverine and others like him.
 
I'm not sure about the Regenerationn weakening, myself. Originally, the OP was going to request regen-negation for Yamato users due to the scene that Matt mentioned, but I thought that would have been too speculative. That scene is what implies in favor of the weakness, but this one implies it's not really too big a deal since Vergil was whooped here but still regenerates rather well (even though it isn't as if his torso was seperated from the rest of him, it's still impressive). Either keeping or cutting the weakness is fine with me, there's evidence for both. Oh, and I put a link in the OP in favor of Hellfire resistance, but I'll leave it to the more experienced to determine the validity of that.

Anyway, good discussion, all! Thank you all for your input.
 
I agree with most of these but Dant's resignation is limited like matt pointed out dante got Frequently slashed and implied through the series and always get up from it chilling but here he didn't
 
Zero, you're right that he went down, but as I said, he was still healing. It proves it's possible to injure him enough times to the extent he goes down, but doesn't really show his healing being weaker.
 
Lets re-watch the scene together

first : how dante went down ? stabbed by yamato he literally fell on the ground after the attack from virgil and barely got up before virgil put him down again , now compare this to the time he was stabbed by alstor in DMC1 or when he stabbed by his own sword in DMC4

He was chilling ! but here he wasn't and this happed after hard fight with vergil led me to believe his regantion is indeed related to his stamina

Second : Vergil didn't need to slash him hundred times to put him down and even after he re-awaken he could barely stand and was knocked unconscious ultimalty

PLUS after the second fight with vergil he was out of stamina and couldn't heal his wounds hence the joker made joke out of him and vergil

thus i share Matt's opinion
 
The fact he went down proves injuries can sap his stamina, and that cuts can make him go down after he's taken enough hits. We see Vergil was beating him up prior, and during all their other fights they cut each other multiple times, so Vergil likely cut him before then too.

As I say, in all those scenes he is still healing. Just because he can be brought down with a stab wound after taking a beating doesn't necessarily mean he's any slower to heal from the damage. We've seen Wolverine get exhausted and knocked out lots of times from lots of different kinds of injuries and his healing isn't any slower.

And when Jester beat them up their injuries had healed, but their stamina was still depleted.
 
Quick quastion and bit off topic does this change anything in his recent loss to reinhard ? that a lot of new stuff
 
No problem, Matt! Oh, and while I don't want extensive discussion held here, I guess van Astrea still holds the win. Reinhard's resistances are varied and while Dante has enough resistance feats for some of Reinhard's best stuff now, there's no longer resistance to absolute zero and Reinhard still has matter manipulation. Wah wah.
 
We can create a new matchup or reopen the other if anyone wants to debate this, this thread however seems to be concluded from what i can see.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
@Matt: Dude.......wrong Reinhard. It's Re:zero Reinhard.
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Wait you didn't mean Re:Zero reinhard ? that interesting what reinhard you were talking about ?

and yes this theard is done
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
We can create a new matchup or reopen the other if anyone wants to debate this, this thread however seems to be concluded from what i can see.
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Nah not worth it after re-thinking
 
@Zero: He's from Masada Takeshi's series of visual novels called "Shinza Bansho", which is made through this verse page of here.

And recently, to my further hatred of this wikia and it's people, he's become the most talked about when it comes to that verse. Which is something considering i also like the guy. Not only that, i'm also one of the main people here along with a few who have to constantly monitor his page and all of the others for updates.
 
The things Sparda mentioned really should be added. Cena's stuff should be discussed but some of it could be chalked up to durability. Attack reflection (which is supported by Royal Guard's capabilites) and poison resistance should be OK, though.

@Cross

Ah, let's be careful not to derail the thread. But, if it's any consolation, we can be thankful to the good wiki for giving recognition and free publicity to the Masadaverse, right? I'm overall intrigued in its themes (writing; I'm already acquainted with the great music), curious (skeptically yet hopefully so) to see how such themes are conveyed through exposition and such, and will definitely check the titles out when official English releases have been published. Any publicity is good publicity, amirite? Take cheer!
 
@Freeman: I'm not the one that started. Matthew's did due to his close-minded thought of not knowing which Reinhard was used at the time of Dante's fight with Re:zero Reinhard. Given my constant hatred of when something Masada-related is mentioned (hatred as in people here think it's the shit when at times, it's not), i naturally come in and have to correct people here.

We have a general Masadaverse topic thread around here but if you want, if you can speak more on my wall if you need to learn something......as long as it's not question after question like i had to deal with some users of it. And in my current mindset and mood, it's not a wise move to do on me with.
 
@Cross: I'm helping out with some things right now but I'd love to become more familiar with such an original verse. Perhaps I could give you a hello later this week? If became more familiar with it perhaps I could help grant it reognition.

Anyway, were there any objections to the other stuff that has not yet been added? To recap, that's Soul hax + resistance to soul hax for Vergil, and this stuff for Dante:

Attack reflection

Resistance to poison/acid

Hellfire manipulation (via Ifrit)

Resistance to hellfire manipulation (withstood the heat of Ifrit when he acquired it, for it tried to kill him like Alastor tried)

Resistance to blood manipulation.
 
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