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Demon King vs Hagoromo Otsutsuki

Demon king resist his own commandments which are law based. And one of them has power null.
Like I said, Kaguya also resisted the TSO power null and still got power nulled by SPCT.
Also can Hagoromo survive the demon king miasma?
What exactly does it do?
Also the commandments would be in effect here. Genjutsu won’t work because the ruler would negate it.
According to his profile
Note: Despite providing the Ten Commandments with their abilities, the Demon King has never demonstrated the ability to use the Commandments himself
So idk. And if he needs to activate the ruler then he wouldn't have the chance after genjustu takes place.
 
Like I said, Kaguya also resisted the TSO power null and still got power nulled by SPCT.

What exactly does it do?

According to his profile

So idk. And if he needs to activate the ruler then he wouldn't have the chance after genjustu takes place.
The ruler is always on goddess clan powerful is below commandment power null and demon king greatly resist those so he should be fine. Miasma causes disease, status effects, mind and and body corrosion and death. Speaking of which the demon king has death hax. Also the commandments can be used as optional equipment it’s on his profile.
 
The ruler is always on
I see now
goddess clan powerful is below commandment power null and demon king greatly resist those so he should be fine.
That doesn't really mean anything ngl. Kaguya can outright completely resist power null and got affected by SPCT.
Miasma causes disease, status effects, mind and and body corrosion and death.
Hags resists poison, corrosion, etc so he should be fine. Also there's this
Since we agreed to equalize energies, Hagoromo is outright invulnerable to DKs magic.
Speaking of which the demon king has death hax.
Killing Hagoromos body should only turn him into his chakra ghost key I think.
Also the commandments can be used as optional equipment it’s on his profile.
Hmm sure but they're magic right? Meaning they get resisted
 
I see now

That doesn't really mean anything ngl. Kaguya can outright completely resist power null and got affected by SPCT.

Hags resists poison, corrosion, etc so he should be fine. Also there's this

Since we agreed to equalize energies, Hagoromo is outright invulnerable to DKs magic.

Killing Hagoromos body should only turn him into his chakra ghost key I think.

Hmm sure but they're magic right? Meaning they get resisted
The commandments are law based curses they are not magic. The miasma of the demon realm kills all races except the demon clan including the fairy clan who are likely immune to diseases and corrosion. What you describe is that chibaku has 2 layers of power null and what I explained is that the demon king has at least 2 layers of power null resistance.
 
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I don’t think I've seen a single reason for DK winning in this thread ngl, so what "reasons above" are yall talking about?

We basically just established that energy can be equalized which makes Hagoromo invulnerable to magic, and that DK might or might not resist SPCT.
 
The commandments are law based curses they are not magic. The miasma of the demon realm kills all races except the demon clan including the fairy clan who are likely immune to diseases and corrosion. What you describe is that chibaku has 2 layers of power null and what I explained is that the demon king has at least 2 layers of power null resistance.
I don’t think I've seen a single reason for DK winning in this thread ngl, so what "reasons above" are yall talking about?

We basically just established that energy can be equalized which makes Hagoromo invulnerable to magic, and that DK might or might not resist SPCT.
 
The commandments are law based curses they are not magic. The miasma of the demon realm kills all races except the demon clan including the fairy clan who are likely immune to diseases and corrosion. What you describe is that chibaku has 2 layers of power null and what I explained is that the demon king has at least 2 layers of power null resistance.
The commandments are based on DKs description are based in DKs power. In other words they would qualify for ninjutsu with verse/energy equalization.
I already addressed that killing Hagoromo doesn't do much because now you're just left with spirit Hagoromo.

And you didn't describe 2 layers of power null (and neither did I, I only described 1 layer). Because in all honesty this doesn't really make sense as a sentence.
The ruler is always on goddess clan powerful is below commandment power null and demon king greatly resist those so he should be fine.
The ruler is always on goddess clan powerful? What does that even mean? DK greatly resists it? I don't understand.

Either way like I said, no win cons for DK so far. Best we could get to is DK POSSIBLY turning Hagoromo into a spirit and even that first needs to get past invulnerability
 
The commandments are based on DKs description are based in DKs power. In other words they would qualify for ninjutsu with verse/energy equalization.
I already addressed that killing Hagoromo doesn't do much because now you're just left with spirit Hagoromo.

And you didn't describe 2 layers of power null (and neither did I, I only described 1 layer). Because in all honesty this doesn't really make sense as a sentence.

The ruler is always on goddess clan powerful? What does that even mean? DK greatly resists it? I don't understand.

Either way like I said, no win cons for DK so far. Best we could get to is DK POSSIBLY turning Hagoromo into a spirit and even that first needs to get past invulnerability
So say you use your power to create law-based curses does that change the fact that they are law-based curses? Another fact the commandments can work on those immune to magic(Zeldris). Again miasma is a natural phenomenon so it would work here. Darkness is also not magical but physical so that can be used here.
 
So say you use your power to create law-based curses does that change the fact that they are law-based curses?
More so them being "law based curses" doesn't change that they're magic based.
Another fact the commandments can work on those immune to magic(Zeldris).
That could just be a weakness of the resistance since they don't have resistance to invincibility or invincibility negation.
Again miasma is a natural phenomenon so it would work here. Darkness is also not magical but physical so that can be used here.
It being a "natural phenomenon" doesn't really help.
i think DK one shots because Hags dura is only 5-C
He needs to hit him for that and Hagoromo would know to not get hit due to his sensory and visual prowess. And hitting him will be one hell of a challenge thanks to his precog and teleportation hax
 
More so them being "law based curses" doesn't change that they're magic based.

That could just be a weakness of the resistance since they don't have resistance to invincibility or invincibility negation.

It being a "natural phenomenon" doesn't really help.

He needs to hit him for that and Hagoromo would know to not get hit due to his sensory and visual prowess. And hitting him will be one hell of a challenge thanks to his precog and teleportation hax
They are not magic though Here demon king can control nature and his presence cause natural disasters which would be able to damage Haggormo.
 
Then what are they? Does he physically walk up to you with a bucket of water and go "boom! Natural tsunami!"?

So… magic.... Magic as in the in-universe mana like energy.
Check his page he has environmental destruction. Commandments are law based curses not magic. Try asking makai for more info
 
Check his page he has environmental destruction. Commandments are law based curses not magic. Try asking makai for more info
Idk what do you not understand. I don't care of they're called "magic" or "curses" or "skibidi sigma chungus".
If they use the energy of the verse then they can't affect Hagoromo.
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Only senjutsu and the physical damage from martial arts work.
 
Idk what do you not understand. I don't care of they're called "magic" or "curses" or "skibidi sigma chungus".
If they use the energy of the verse then they can't affect Hagoromo.
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Only senjutsu and the physical damage from martial arts work.
Will telekinesis work? DK can just use that then on shot. DK can also posses the land with his commands which is a way to counter chibaku or just possess hagoromo with the commandments. Ice was affective against Naruto and Sasktel so something like natural lightning should work.
 
And if he needs to activate the ruler then he wouldn't have the chance after genjustu takes place.
Has Hagoromo ever used it?
And hitting him will be one hell of a challenge thanks to his precog and teleportation hax
This is useless against someone much faster than him
that DK might or might not resist SPCT.
It takes two people to activate it. What's more, he fought for a month with his mother before he was able to use this technique. So he couldn't apply it against someone relatively similar in speed. Imagine how difficult it would be to use it against someone even faster.
I already addressed that killing Hagoromo doesn't do much because now you're just left with spirit Hagoromo.
What could Hagoromo do against the Demon King? After all, the Demon King can simply destroy or absorb Hagoromo's spirit.

Any chakra-based attack would be useless against the Demon King
 
Will telekinesis work?
Is telekinesis senjutsu or martial arts? Most likely not so no.
DK can also posses the land with his commands which is a way to counter chibaku or just possess hagoromo with the commandments.
Not only is the invulnerability in the way but Hagoromo straight up resists possession.
Ice was affective against Naruto and Sasktel so something like natural lightning should work.
Neither Naruto nor Sasuke are ten tails Jinchurikis and the person using the ice had 6 paths senjutsu which negates invulnerability.

And if you try to immobilize him with such ice he can just either absorb it or teleport away.
 
Has Hagoromo ever used it?
Hagoromo has had 0 on screen fights so that's not really a viable argument here ngl.
This is useless against someone much faster than him
Speed equalized. Actually Hagoromo has teleportation and speed amps so he might actually be the one blitzing here....
It takes two people to activate it.
No it doesn't. It takes 2 seals to activate it and we know Hagoromo has both and the ability is straight up listed in his profile.
What's more, he fought for a month with his mother before he was able to use this technique.
Filler + base Hagoromo not Juubi jin Hagoromo.
So he couldn't apply it against someone relatively similar in speed.
Literally no evidence that Kaguya was similar in speed to him.
Imagine how difficult it would be to use it against someone even faster.
I don’t need to because speed is equalized.
What could Hagoromo do against the Demon King? After all, the Demon King can simply destroy or absorb Hagoromo's spirit.
Existence erasure, mind+illusion manip via genjutsu, TK crush (class Z hags vs class T demon king), BFR, etc.
Good thing Hagoromo doesn't just use chakra-based jutsu but 6 paths chakra / 6 paths senjutsu based attacks which specifically bypass this type of invulnerability. I also kinda fail to see the invulnerability on his profile, is it listed as something else?
 
Is telekinesis senjutsu or martial arts? Most likely not so no.

Not only is the invulnerability in the way but Hagoromo straight up resists possession.

Neither Naruto nor Sasuke are ten tails Jinchurikis and the person using the ice had 6 paths senjutsu which negates invulnerability.

And if you try to immobilize him with such ice he can just either absorb it or teleport away.
Kaguya chakra is not part of the dimensions they can even affect her(gravity dimension). That reminds me that gravity still works on Kaguya so why wouldn’t telekinesis work here? All forms of magic attacks and techniques won’t work with the ruler. Destroying the DK body won’t do anything you need to affect the commandments which can’t be interacted with and he can just possess the land.
 
Kaguya chakra is not part of the dimensions
Kaguya created the dimension (meaning it should have the same properties as her) and literally merges with nature to attack Naruto (and yet doesn't hurt him.
That reminds me that gravity still works on Kaguya so why wouldn’t telekinesis work here?
Because the gravity isn't magic/jutsu 🤦‍♂️. It's a part of HER dimension made by HER chakra that literally does not harm her.
All forms of magic attacks and techniques won’t work with the ruler.
Good thing Hagoromo doesn't just use chakra-based jutsu but 6 paths chakra / 6 paths senjutsu based attacks which specifically bypass this type of invulnerability. I also kinda fail to see the invulnerability on his profile, is it listed as something else?
Destroying the DK body won’t do anything you need to affect the commandments which can’t be interacted with and he can just possess the land.
So Hagoromo just EEs the commandments. Or BFRs the DK.
Hags is getting one shot
he doesn't really use precog
Hagoromo has never been shown to fight on screen wdym "he doesn't really use precog"?…
 
Since we agreed to equalize energies, Hagoromo is outright invulnerable to DKs magic.
Magic in SDS triggers natural elements, it would harm Hagoromo.

DK one taps, and basically almost any attack will make him stronger/faster.
 
Kaguya created the dimension (meaning it should have the same properties as her) and literally merges with nature to attack Naruto (and yet doesn't hurt him.

Because the gravity isn't magic/jutsu 🤦‍♂️. It's a part of HER dimension made by HER chakra that literally does not harm her.



So Hagoromo just EEs the commandments. Or BFRs the DK.

Hagoromo has never been shown to fight on screen wdym "he doesn't really use precog"?…
The ruler was shown to absorb reflected lightning so it should be fine with nature based energy also the ruler inverts attacks into strength and fortification and healing into weaking.
 
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