speedster352
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Wouldn’t that be restricted? Also it still won’t kill the DK because of his commandments.
Demon king feat is higher he scales to the combo of the sins attack it’s initial value which is above Asta ap and dura.
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Asta (BC) vs Demon King (NNT)
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Asta's is 7.128 exatons
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I've read the thread. My vote for Asta is unlikely to change
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The Demon King can create a demon by creating a low level demon or create demons by splitting a piece of himself, killing even one of Asta will ensure his death.
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You say this to me, but you are still saying the same thing, you have been arguing amongst yourselves for a day about the ridiculous The Ruler, but we have proved that the orders are curses and not magic.
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Then close the crt
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Yeah I’m voting Asta.
speedster352
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Demon king scales to this 378+(189*3)= 945 Exatons
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wtf no
the revision says DK scales to 378 exatons
speedster352
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I meant DK Britannia scales to the sins combo attack that’s the value.
Faa_Tzy
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A little neutral. But I will vote for DK
1. Command is absolute (Law Manipulation), if Asta has no resistance, the command will work. Command is not magic, command is created from a part of life as well as power. Although I don't understand if 'Power' here would include magic or not. I just think it doesn't.Because I'm a fan of nnt haha
2. The ruler only applies to magic. Gowther proved it who did Power Nullification using his invasion to destroy it.
Just tell me if you want the proofs.
If I'm late in commenting, I apologize. I'm just bored.
1. Command is absolute (Law Manipulation), if Asta has no resistance, the command will work. Command is not magic, command is created from a part of life as well as power. Although I don't understand if 'Power' here would include magic or not. I just think it doesn't.
2. The ruler only applies to magic. Gowther proved it who did Power Nullification using his invasion to destroy it.
Just tell me if you want the proofs.
If I'm late in commenting, I apologize. I'm just bored.
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Thats genuinely nice
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OOOOOOOOH SHI! I ALSO SAW SM RLLY INTERESTING
Hear me out, on the DK's profile, a note says that even though he has the 10 commandments, hasn't been shown to use it himself once or even have it activated once.
So it's not even in character for him
Should we consider them in this fight? Nevermind already using SBA to equalise them
Hear me out, on the DK's profile, a note says that even though he has the 10 commandments, hasn't been shown to use it himself once or even have it activated once.
So it's not even in character for him
Should we consider them in this fight? Nevermind already using SBA to equalise them
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Just to so I get you, incon cause you don't know if Asta is negating the ruler or incon cause of the commandments??
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Are those nature attacks brought about by magic or made by magic?
Also, third sword will negate the effects of pacifism
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OOOOOOOOH SHI! I ALSO SAW SM RLLY INTERESTING
Hear me out, on the DK's profile, a note says that even though he has the 10 commandments, hasn't been shown to use it himself once or even have it activated once.
So it's not even in character for him
Should we consider them in this fight? Nevermind already using SBA to equalise them
This make no sense
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Wiki says that since he can offer these powers to someone else, he can use them himself, which is not antifeatted, it has been accepted before, so it can be used.
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Also, since Anti-Magic is a spell, can't it be reversed by DK? The speeds are equal after all
Demon_Lord18
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The sword only nullifies the cause and effect of magic.
In other words, it is not annulling any commandment.
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For a day I have proved with 3-4 raw panels that the commandments are not magic and that they are laws, they still do not understand
speedster352
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Asta third sword is not passive he has to activate it. Like people need to stop wanking certain abilities. Again DK can manipulate nature like I said it’s natural. Also pacifism is instantaneous.
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basically, if you read the notes on his page, it goes "Note: Despite providing the Ten Commandments with their abilities, the Demon King has never demonstrated the ability to use the Commandments himself." and that's perhaps because his power is an amalgamation of his commandments? I'd like to know what's going on there before I start drawing off my own conclusions.
So I said there's a possibility that it's not in character for him to use these commandments.
Wiki? You mean his page on our wiki site or his page on the NNT wiki site? Because you're kind of saying something different to what the notes say. Antifeated or not, has he used them in combat or at all??
Anti-magic isn't a spell. It's an ability, it's not magic because it's quite literally the opposite of it. That's an association fallacy. Kind of like how I would say curses are automatically magic according to what the defenition of a a curse is stated in the dictionary, contrary to what the verse supposedly implies, you get what I mean?
Sure babe. And then I replied; Suppose an individual has magic and magical power according to your verse, say for example, a big dude like the DK, and he were to split his power into half and split that half into 10 which would be called the commandments, but considering the fact that an individual with any sort of power is magical and nothing else?? BUT APPARENTLY his power that he halved and split into ten ISN'T magic but power in your verse is comprised of strength, magic and spirit?
I seriously hope I'm not being lied to with this.
I remember Grayroad also saying that the curses aren't "ordinary magic power/abilities" power or abilities, forgot what she said, but I could just say that it's still magic, yet just a different type or works a different way than ordinary magic, despite it still being magic.
Nobody argued that causality break was instantaneous, at the very least, Asta needs to touch it and then activate it which takes no time at all. (Isn't Asta resistant to time manipulation?) I guess that's different when it's 2 different types of time abilities.) Pacifism's curse is quick and quick to kill from what I've read and watched. It's not instant death so I'll say that Asta has time to nullify those effects.
Resistance to lightning attacks here and yes I know yall are gon cry about it being magic.
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- Resistance to Heat Manipulation: (By coating his body with Anti-Magic, Asta can create a technique akin to Mana Skin, which allows him to run across the Yultim Volcano, a grand Magic Region which can reduce a human to cinders)"
The demon king is also NOT outlasting Asta. Both Asta and the demon king have superhuman levels of stamina. That's never been a wincon ever, and then he has less AP which isn't good.
I also saw density manipulation with darkness crush, but how's that working if his AP is just over half that of Asta's at a high ball, DK lifting strength class T, Asta lifting strength class Z. He'll likely do just fine against the DK.
An energy storm? Not natural but energy is interesting, is he bringing this about with magic? If yes, I'm immediately assuming this is getting black hurricaned gg.
Mist of death (death manipulation) and his acid storm is also interesting. Is mist of death a curse brought about by magic? That would make it a hax stomp because death is completely instant in which case this wouldn't be applied to pages. for arguments sakes however, it's not in character for the DK to use them in a fight. we havent seen him use any of his nature attacks besides his passive enviro destruction in a fight because he hasn't done it. It's not in character do so, TLDR: these shouldn't be considered wincons.
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how lovely. Asta will cut off the demon king's magic which will stop him from summoning natural elements. and he did this to lucifero and langris through physical contact or black meteorite.
edit: it's not in character for asta to use TDU. PDU and zetten shuts off the DK's magic power and also gets him unconscious OR again, black meteorite
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5-B is restricted. they're both at 5-c
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I will answer all of these later, as far as I can tell now, I have already sent you a raw panel and proved that this is not magic, but you still insist. Why would the Demon King's division of his power into laws make it magic?
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because thats power modification. he can modify his magic power, but I dont see anything about him modifying his commandments. he did create them, no? if it comes from his magical power which consists of str, mag and spirit, then I'm left to believe that it's magic.
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and then the wiki says its curse magic power (yes, not ordinary magic power that grayroad stated, i acknowlesge its different)
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Im really bored in this crt.
かいごん
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さず まじんおう われら 魔神王より(戒)が じゅそ 授けられし呪詛だ!
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戒禁はただの まりょくあら 魔力に非ず･･･
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まじゅつし いかな魔術士が じかん どれほどの時間を けっ かけようと決して 解けるものではない!!!!
The commandments are not a Magic, they are a curse...
No matter how much time any mage spends on it, it can never be broken. !!!!
かいごん
https://imgur.com/a/KA91Zv1
さず まじんおう われら 魔神王より(戒)が じゅそ 授けられし呪詛だ!
https://imgur.com/a/KA91Zv1
戒禁はただの まりょくあら 魔力に非ず･･･
https://imgur.com/a/KA91Zv1
まじゅつし いかな魔術士が じかん どれほどの時間を けっ かけようと決して 解けるものではない!!!!
The commandments are not a Magic, they are a curse...
No matter how much time any mage spends on it, it can never be broken. !!!!
Demon_Lord18
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What exactly makes you think that anti-magic would annul the commandments? The manga makes it clear that they are absolute and cannot be contradicted (undone).
There are only two ways to escape a commandment:
1- By dying
2- Killing the bearer of the commandment
Even Merlin, who has Power Null like Asta, couldn't annul a commandment.
After dividing his strength by half, the Demon King dispersed his power among ten of his most loyal warriors, each having capability to deliver unique curses whenever their rule is broken. The Commandments are immune to each other's abilities, but not their own.
- Faith: Anyone who shows faithlessness has their eyes set ablaze. The "faith" concept applies to anything the victim once had faith in, such as love or family.
- Love: Anyone who has hatred in their heart will be unable to inflict damage to others. They will not even be able to summon the strength to raise their weapons or activate their powers.
- Pacifism: Anyone who kills will have their remaining lifetime stolen from them, aging rapidly to death.
- Patience: Anyone who shows intolerance of pain will be inflicted with further pain.
- Piety: Anyone who flees is forced into mindless obedience to him. He can undo the effects of the commandment at will.
- Purity: Anyone who conducts impure deeds will be inflicted with illness.
- Repose: Anyone who fights without rest will get their magic sealed away.
- Reticence: Anyone who expresses hidden feeling and/or emotions will be rendered unable to speak.
- Selflessness: Anyone with feelings of greed, desire, or selfishness in his presence loses their memories, emotions, and sense of self.
- Truth: Anyone who knowingly tells a lie in his presence is turned to stone.
As far as I can see, you haven't even opened the CRT.
Arthur>100% DK 378 exatons.
How would it be between 33 and 189 exatons? And how does Asta have a higher AP than DK if he has 356 and DK 378? MDS
He wasn't talking about it, and this thing is made of miasma, something from demonic physiology, which means Asta isn't nullifying it.
An energy storm? Not natural but energy is interesting, is he bringing this about with magic? If yes, I'm immediately assuming this is getting black hurricaned gg.
Mist of death (death manipulation) and his acid storm is also interesting. Is mist of death a curse brought about by magic? That would make it a hax stomp because death is completely instant in which case this wouldn't be applied to pages. for arguments sakes however, it's not in character for the DK to use them in a fight. we havent seen him use any of his nature attacks besides his passive enviro destruction in a fight because he hasn't done it. It's not in character do so, TLDR: these shouldn't be considered wincons.
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All this but you can’t prove the demon king has used it in battle
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Demon_Lord18
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What's to stop DK from paralyzing Asta and simply killing him?
Or what's stopping him from killing Asta passively with the miasma?
Or what's stopping him from killing Asta passively with the miasma?
Demon_Lord18
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Your kanji are out of order
“戒禁は ただの 魔力に非ず･･･ 魔神王より〈十戒)が 授けられし呪詛だ!”
“The commandments are not just a magical power... they are a curse bestowed by the Demon King!”
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Whatever that isn’t stated to be magic… should be treated as such given how vague the source of magic is in the verse.
Not a wincon.
The ruler itself is magic so Anti Magic negates it easily.
So why exactly did you vote for DK?
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Anti magic.
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Congrats you proved the commandments are magical curses.
Demon destroyer negates the cause (magic) to eliminate the effect (curses)
Demon_Lord18
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That was my intention with this answer, the old one had more things. She is above
Demon_Lord18
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Neither of these things being magical:
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So will you Elaborate or not?
