I was looking through the pages for various Riordan verse demigods and noticed that some scalings don't quite add up.
Lifting Strength in particular.
Currently, all of the Seven scale off of each other on lifting strength in their respective pages due to them clashing with giants. Every member being Class T. However, looking through the series once again, I notice that Piper Mclean and Leo Valdez completely lack any feats of that scale.
During every confrontation against giants, Piper is either doing non-combat related tasks, or wiping through lesser monsters. The only exception being when Piper faces off against Periboia, which is described as a "deadly game of tag". Periboia is already weakened at this point due to the combined efforts of Piper and Annabeth, and the girls ended up getting assisted by Aphrodite and Hades.
Piper Mclean is stated in the books to be one of the physically weaker members of the seven. Being consistently unable to rip through mortal binds such as duct tape and zipties throughout the Heroes of Olympus and Trials of Apollo books (though she is often times injured whenever she's bound). She also has pretty clear lifting boundaries. She struggles to carry an unconscious Jason Grace and Percy Jackson during Mark of Athena, the strongest direct lifting feat I'm aware of being when Piper threw a large shield with enough force to knock down Medea and many shelves. Pipers attack style reflects this, typically opting to avoid hits using sheer speed, blitzing earthborn and dancing around attacks from the giant spawn of Gaia.
I believe this should bring Piper down from Class T lifting strength to somewhere between Above Average Human and Class 1.
Leo is pretty good compared to Piper in regards to the lifting category, but not quite mountain-lifting good.
Leo has the lowest monster killcount of the Heroes of Olympus series, and is the least adept to combat of the seven; he typically uses automations and robots such as Buford and Festus to deal with foes. He has never traded blows with a giant, his only direct confrontation with a giant being his fight with Clytius alongside Hazel and Hecate. And even then Leo literally gets taken out of the fight instantly when Clytius uses Hax to knock him unconscious.
Leo has standard demigod strength, with him often carrying around large pieces of metal weighing around as much as a fridge with ease, and carrying around chunks of equipment said to be around the size of small cars.
This should bring Leo from lifting Class T to somewhere in the range of Above Average Human and Class 5 lifting strength.
I'd also argue that Leo and Piper should get a striking strength nerf, but the amount of force necessary to pierce through the skin of a deity and the extent of the anti-supernatural properties of Celestial Bronze is very unclear.
So.. yeah. Leo Valdez and Piper Mclean should get lifting strength nerfs due to their pretty clear limitations.
Lifting Strength in particular.
Currently, all of the Seven scale off of each other on lifting strength in their respective pages due to them clashing with giants. Every member being Class T. However, looking through the series once again, I notice that Piper Mclean and Leo Valdez completely lack any feats of that scale.
During every confrontation against giants, Piper is either doing non-combat related tasks, or wiping through lesser monsters. The only exception being when Piper faces off against Periboia, which is described as a "deadly game of tag". Periboia is already weakened at this point due to the combined efforts of Piper and Annabeth, and the girls ended up getting assisted by Aphrodite and Hades.
Piper Mclean is stated in the books to be one of the physically weaker members of the seven. Being consistently unable to rip through mortal binds such as duct tape and zipties throughout the Heroes of Olympus and Trials of Apollo books (though she is often times injured whenever she's bound). She also has pretty clear lifting boundaries. She struggles to carry an unconscious Jason Grace and Percy Jackson during Mark of Athena, the strongest direct lifting feat I'm aware of being when Piper threw a large shield with enough force to knock down Medea and many shelves. Pipers attack style reflects this, typically opting to avoid hits using sheer speed, blitzing earthborn and dancing around attacks from the giant spawn of Gaia.
I believe this should bring Piper down from Class T lifting strength to somewhere between Above Average Human and Class 1.
Leo is pretty good compared to Piper in regards to the lifting category, but not quite mountain-lifting good.
Leo has the lowest monster killcount of the Heroes of Olympus series, and is the least adept to combat of the seven; he typically uses automations and robots such as Buford and Festus to deal with foes. He has never traded blows with a giant, his only direct confrontation with a giant being his fight with Clytius alongside Hazel and Hecate. And even then Leo literally gets taken out of the fight instantly when Clytius uses Hax to knock him unconscious.
Leo has standard demigod strength, with him often carrying around large pieces of metal weighing around as much as a fridge with ease, and carrying around chunks of equipment said to be around the size of small cars.
This should bring Leo from lifting Class T to somewhere in the range of Above Average Human and Class 5 lifting strength.
I'd also argue that Leo and Piper should get a striking strength nerf, but the amount of force necessary to pierce through the skin of a deity and the extent of the anti-supernatural properties of Celestial Bronze is very unclear.
So.. yeah. Leo Valdez and Piper Mclean should get lifting strength nerfs due to their pretty clear limitations.
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