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Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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"Because both characters scale to higher-dimensional cosmologies of unclear size, and as both have consistently inconsistent portrayals of strength, it is difficult to say who would definitively be the winner. This battle is a tie."
(The casualty can be the entire Battle-boarding community. Insert Boomstick pun)
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Wouldn't mind better than Goku eating dirt again
0-2-1 is better than 0-3
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That one comic where Superman prevents a woman from committing suicide, staying with her for hours and encourages her to not give up on life, citing that even if it seems bad at first, they'll always be good days once again at the end of the tunnel, is positively one of the most peak comic moments of all time.
It's genuinely criminal that Goku vs Superman 2, and shit like the DC Extended Universe, opted to just ignore the sheer humanity and compassion which seeps through Clark's heart and soul by either making him look like a gary stu or a brooding character when it goes against the point of Superman's character. But yes man, Superman is just absolutely wonderful and it reminds me of a quote from Grant Morrison on Superman's character: "Somewhere, in our darkest night, we made up the story of a man who will never let us down."
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The way this season is going I doubt the fight will be badThe characterization for the fight will definitely be better. They're determined to not repeat the utter failure of Goku vs Superman 2
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We never question on the fight choreography (well we touched a little since Torrian left Screwattack before it was acquired by Rooster Teeth).
Most people complain (really hard) on why a reexamination on a "correct" and "dead" verdict when Goku and Superman can fight against other characters, making them (and the series as a whole) more interesting.
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Raven VS Jean wasn’t due to AP, it was due to hax. They argued that Raven could bypass Phoenix’s durability entirely by attacking and destroying her soul while Rachael herself being harder to put down, she could consistently escape the WHR making it an unreliable wincon for her opponent, and that neither really took to stat trinity due to marvel and dc being similar in cosmology because they love ripping each other off. Of course whether you agree with all of this is another matter but it isn’t that “a mere DC herald can solo all of marvel” it’s more like “this dc herald can scale to similar cosmologies with leeway and more importantly has counters to the flaming god bird that other opponents allegedly don’t”
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Why do I care about this so much? The episode was mid anyways and it retroactively made Twiven worse by feeding Twilight to Raven for no reason.
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Alot of new people lol
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ZeNoviceArtist
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Are there?
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Yes
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I don't think they outright mischaracterized Superman, I think they did but they didn't do it to the same degree as Goku.
Goku is literally the human condition put into one dude. Goku lives and breaths to struggle to become more, and he enjoys every last second of it.
If he found out that there was one dude he could never beat Goku would die the happiest man in the universe. He would never stop going back to fight Superman, because that's literally what his wish is in a fundamental level.
Goku at the beginning of the series went to go train with Roshi the minute talks about wishes and what people wanted in their lives comes up. Because at first Goku was just there along for the ride, the moment he has the decision to do what he wants, he goes to someone who instills in him to never stop struggling.
His wish to have Buu reborn so he could fight him again as a good guy is basically his wish from OG Dragon Ball, he wants new horizons to explore, forever and ever.
So you expect to tell me he gets a taste of Superman and his ass writing and 'he can do anything that's the character' shit, and decides to stop challenging him?
Yeah, **** off.
Goku is literally the human condition put into one dude. Goku lives and breaths to struggle to become more, and he enjoys every last second of it.
If he found out that there was one dude he could never beat Goku would die the happiest man in the universe. He would never stop going back to fight Superman, because that's literally what his wish is in a fundamental level.
Goku at the beginning of the series went to go train with Roshi the minute talks about wishes and what people wanted in their lives comes up. Because at first Goku was just there along for the ride, the moment he has the decision to do what he wants, he goes to someone who instills in him to never stop struggling.
His wish to have Buu reborn so he could fight him again as a good guy is basically his wish from OG Dragon Ball, he wants new horizons to explore, forever and ever.
So you expect to tell me he gets a taste of Superman and his ass writing and 'he can do anything that's the character' shit, and decides to stop challenging him?
Yeah, **** off.
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Honestly the biggest mischaracterization of Superman was during the fight itself, not anything the analysis said. Superman takes the fight to a city and then tells Goku he'd prefer not to destroy the planet a second time.
Like bro what that ain't supes
Like bro what that ain't supes
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Like they somewhat Goku got right in the post analysis, Superman's story is about struggling with morality while Goku's story is just about struggling. They then shit on this with that King Kai scene and think it's okay to use that as tangible evidence for why Goku will always lose.
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Yeah, that's nolimitsman
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Like how most of the reaction to the news been massive apathy/ with some dash of rage
Nobody remotely believe Goku has a chance at winning nor forget what DB said in the rematch
Just utter "we're really doing this again eh?"
Just to show how bad they fumbled the rematch
8 years to try and fix this is way too late here
Nobody remotely believe Goku has a chance at winning nor forget what DB said in the rematch
Just utter "we're really doing this again eh?"
Just to show how bad they fumbled the rematch
8 years to try and fix this is way too late here
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This is something that bugs me about GvS2, because even in the first fight there were a few moments where Clark is trying to incapacitate Goku and trying to tell him to stop fighting before things escalate. But in GvS2? As you said, Superman takes the fight to what it is likely a crowded city and knocks Goku through several buildings in broad daylight yet tries to tell Goku to be careful before they end up destroying the planet again.
Honestly if there was one aspect that should've been in GvS2, it's more moments of Superman trying to knock Goku out without killing him or using enough force to make Goku believe he's outmatched so they stop fighting before having to take him out lethally for the sake of innocents or maintaining the status of the planet. And yes I understand that Death Battle's rules are that you throw out a character's morals to see who wins a Death Battle, regardless if the character's got a strict code of mercy and no killing, but for Superman it would've made more sense for him to be gentle throughout the fight before realizing he has no choice.
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They've composited stuff like Key Sword with the Spirit Bomb Sword and the Kaioken SSJ4 Kamehameha (which of course, later happened in SDBH).
I wouldn't be surprised if we see Universe Tree Ultra Instinct.
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**** it. If he's gonna lose go out with a bang.
Universe Tree True Ultra Instinct Goku with the Awakened Keysword fusing with the audience via God Fusion technique.
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Multiple choice ending where the audience can decide if Goku wins by fusing with him.
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Goku fuses with Wiz and Boomstick and the others
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What if Superman wins via flying at Goku like he did against the World Forger. That would be ******* sick
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Probably not, they only mentioned SDBH
No one in Jump Force really transcended "fiction", the villain of the game just wanted to merge the real world with the fictional one
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Yeah, I doubt they'd go that far with the compositing.
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I mentioned IF. Since they included jf goku in the thumbnail for ryu and goku in the champions poll like he had some significance. Just a curious question.
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Im saying this because iont wanna look like a fool tbh
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Superman preparing to kill Japan's most beloved shonen character
Godzilla: Goku, on your left.
Superbros, it's joever
Godzilla: Goku, on your left.
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Why stupermid look like raw meat people use on the grill he look sillySuperman preparing to kill Japan's most beloved shonen character
Godzilla: Goku, on your left.
Superbros, it's joever
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My GOAT was taken off guard smhsmhSuperman preparing to kill Japan's most beloved shonen character
Godzilla: Goku, on your left.
Superbros, it's joever
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Made Billy also look like a dumbass.
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