Death Battle Season Ten Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Jasonsith]

There are more baby boomers and millennials than zoomers I'm pretty sure.
Like this is something you can enjoy without really even being into Death Battle.


Also watch JJK and CSM fade into obscurity within the next 4-5 years. Shit happened to DGM, literally rivaled Bleach, Naruto and One Piece in terms of popularity but then like after 2 years people stopped caring.



Just how the anime meta works tbh.

Which is why Death Battle really needed to hit the iron when it is hot and make episodes on franchises when they are still popular.

They tasted the success from Gojo vs Makima and failures from Killua vs Misaka and Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer.

Rick after the Doctor absorbs the heart of the T.A.R.D.I.S but doesn't obliterate him and instead tells him that he forgives him

Well Rick Sanchez will die conventionally according to Death Battle rules.
But yeah this will do in other crossovers.

 

[LordGinSama]

So if both combatants are immortal and have no way to actually overcome one another's immortality Death now deems it a draw? Tbh I wonder what other MU's could end up like this.

 

[Jasonsith]

Scooby doo vs Courage is at 625k views in 9hrs and trending at #1
yeah good bye to early access

Scooby-Doo VS Courage the Cowardly Dog | DEATH BATTLE!
712,914 views
Premiered 11 hours ago
(712,914 clicks in 11.33 hours)

Quick growth
Rivalling Gojo vs Makima.

But is Scooby-Doo vs Courage the Cowardly Dog be considered classic matchup so that the "reap when crops are ripe" rule does not apply so hard here?

Early access is already dumb move to begin with tbh

They need other benefits for the Planet level members (Galaxy level members buy at store.roosterteeth.com at a discount and have access to other RT First member benefits). Otherwise the rise in clicks may not compensate for the loss in subscription at RT First membership and Death Battle Planet level membership.

 

[Ultimate_Invader_Pendulum]

Alright, I know the doctor is most likely winning, but does Rick have any wincons?

Rick has Wincons, but it depends on how much "COMPOSITE" the Death Battle crew makes their Rick, and how they interpret some feats, although I speak from the perspective of someone who doesn't even know much about Doctor Who

-Precognition and personality: Rick is more bloodlusted than the doctor and could see all the chances of his deaths (C-137)

-Possible advantage in speed: Rick was able to move in literal nothingness without time or space, after stealing the mathematical laws of an entire universe ("C-137" comics)

-The above could be an advantage if most of Doc's feats are based on following some mathematical logic.

-The universe-destroying bomb: The ricks of the citadel have access to a universe-destroying bomb, from how you describe the doctor he can surely avoid that, but when this bomb was activated it prevented any being from that universe from being able to teleport to another ( comics)

-The timeline destroyer machine and the save and load machine:
The machine that destroys timelines destroys those where an unfavorable event for Rick happens, leaving the good one for him (C-132 comics), the saving machine creates new timelines in the same dimension to have access to multiple points save files that can later be merged (C-137)

-Physical immortality via Phoenix Project and spiritual immortality via multiple Dogmas + Multiple selves:
According to Dan Harmon's comments, due to the phoenix project Rick could not die in a conventional physical way, since there are an infinite number of universes like the ones he revived in S4ep1 (C-137). In the Comics, Rick died physically and simply came back to life in the afterlife dominated by different deities by momentarily believing in them, this got to the point where he was able to come back from literal nothingness, simply by believing that there was nothing else, after That came back to life when he became an angel from heaven cartoon ("C-137" Comic) his soul in itself also managed to withstand the heat of the sun of hell, which would have destroyed the soul of common people (Go to hell) Rick Prime has the mention of "Existing in multiple points" at once, probably each with regen

Multiple selves onekill:
According to the commentary on one of the episodes, Rick was going to use a liquid capable of eliminating all the possible versions in the infinite multiverse of whoever drinks it.

BFR: In Rick and Morty the "Central Finite Curve" is a barrier that separates "all the infinite universes where Rick is the smartest" "from all the infinite universes where he is not" Maybe in the context of the fight Rick could use the curve to enclose the doctor within that infinity or to protect himself from the rest of the infinity

-Warping: After killing the devil, Rick rebuilt hell to his liking, and re-created his universe after it was destroyed in the previous run by the universe-destroying bomb, he did it in such a way that not even his family noticed that They died (go to hell) Rick also had a ring that allowed him to have 3 wishes, to the point of being able to apply reality warping from his reality to one outside the finite central curve (DnD2)

-Meta narrative skills:
Rick was able to cross the fourth wall, from which both its curve and the rest of the infinity were nothing more than a show with seasons, he was also able to make a shield that protected him from the metanarrative abilities of characters who inhabited the fourth wall (C-137 ) Rick was able to travel with his common portal gun to a "real" universe that was reading his actions at the time as a comic, as mere fiction, and kill the reader, and then return to the comic ("C-137" comics). Rick mentions that he inspired himself after traveling with Jerry to a Rick and Morty convention in the "real" world (C-132 comics)

-Other possible Wanks:
Anti toon force for the cameo holding Taz back in Space Jam 2 (Rick mentions this cameo when breaking through the fourth wall of his own series)

 

[Jasonsith]

So if both combatants are immortal and have no way to actually overcome one another's immortality Death now deems it a draw? Tbh I wonder what other MU's could end up like this.

Not a lot. Not even Bill Cipher vs Discord. (Or they just consider Bill Cipher is actually more efficient in overcoming Discord's immortality than Discord overcoming Bill Cipher's immortality)

Now I think about it (maybe SCP Foundation is too niche to the mainstream) but as in Cirno vs Jack Frost, Jack Frost may be considered to have one way to overcome Cirno's immortality in the form of Demonic Megiddo.



Back to the episode... (At Death Battle Wiki)
At the start of the post-analysis, Wiz says that this is the first Death Battle to end in a draw since Chuck Norris VS Segata Sanshiro. However, this is incorrect, as the actual last one to end in a draw was Deadpool VS Pinkie Pie.

Sigh... Deadpool VS Pinkie Pie is so forgettable...

 

[Tyranno223]

Rick has Wincons, but it depends on how much "COMPOSITE" the Death Battle crew makes their Rick, and how they interpret some feats, although I speak from the perspective of someone who doesn't even know much about Doctor Who

-Precognition and personality: Rick is more bloodlusted than the doctor and could see all the chances of his deaths (C-137)

The Doctor has precognition, albeit more limited to detecting temporal things, so Rick may have an advantage there (but in character, Rick rarely uses it). The personality thing is true, but the Doctor is very much willing to kill or erase someone's existence.

-Possible advantage in speed: Rick was able to move in literal nothingness without time or space, after stealing the mathematical laws of an entire universe ("C-137" comics)

On low ends, the Doctor has the advantage with ftl reactions and faster than sight movement. For the higher ends, Lux Aeterna, Time Vortex, etc states make it so the Doctor has immeasurable speeds regardless.

-The above could be an advantage if most of Doc's feats are based on following some mathematical logic.

Time Lords have tech that rewrote reality to follow logic and rationality rather than illogical and irrational things things like magic. Magic was literally erased for instance. The Doctor could probably use the Amaranth to just undo that. Not to mention his higher states or the Key to Time.

-The universe-destroying bomb: The ricks of the citadel have access to a universe-destroying bomb, from how you describe the doctor he can surely avoid that, but when this bomb was activated it prevented any being from that universe from being able to teleport to another ( comics)

-The timeline destroyer machine and the save and load machine:
The machine that destroys timelines destroys those where an unfavorable event for Rick happens, leaving the good one for him (C-132 comics), the saving machine creates new timelines in the same dimension to have access to multiple points save files that can later be merged (C-137)

The Doctor's Tardis. It's OP as *****. Higher states just tank it.

-Physical immortality via Phoenix Project and spiritual immortality via multiple Dogmas + Multiple selves:
According to Dan Harmon's comments, due to the phoenix project Rick could not die in a conventional physical way, since there are an infinite number of universes like the ones he revived in S4ep1 (C-137). In the Comics, Rick died physically and simply came back to life in the afterlife dominated by different deities by momentarily believing in them, this got to the point where he was able to come back from literal nothingness, simply by believing that there was nothing else, after That came back to life when he became an angel from heaven cartoon ("C-137" Comic) his soul in itself also managed to withstand the heat of the sun of hell, which would have destroyed the soul of common people (Go to hell) Rick Prime has the mention of "Existing in multiple points" at once, probably each with regen

The Doctor can just erase his existence or rewrite the entire multiverse to be without Rick.

Multiple selves onekill:
According to the commentary on one of the episodes, Rick was going to use a liquid capable of eliminating all the possible versions in the infinite multiverse of whoever drinks it.

Useful, but the other Doctors don't matter in the fight.

BFR: In Rick and Morty the "Central Finite Curve" is a barrier that separates "all the infinite universes where Rick is the smartest" "from all the infinite universes where he is not" Maybe in the context of the fight Rick could use the curve to enclose the doctor within that infinity or to protect himself from the rest of the infinity

Higher states just overpower this, the Tardis can travel the multiverse (albeit with severe difficulty without the Time Lords being alive)

-Warping: After killing the devil, Rick rebuilt hell to his liking, and re-created his universe after it was destroyed in the previous run by the universe-destroying bomb, he did it in such a way that not even his family noticed that They died (go to hell) Rick also had a ring that allowed him to have 3 wishes, to the point of being able to apply reality warping from his reality to one outside the finite central curve (DnD2)

Doctor has Amaranth, Key of Time, and higher states that do reality warping as well. Everything other than the Amaranth operates on a multiversal scale.

-Meta narrative skills:
Rick was able to cross the fourth wall, from which both its curve and the rest of the infinity were nothing more than a show with seasons, he was also able to make a shield that protected him from the metanarrative abilities of characters who inhabited the fourth wall (C-137 ) Rick was able to travel with his common portal gun to a "real" universe that was reading his actions at the time as a comic, as mere fiction, and kill the reader, and then return to the comic ("C-137" comics). Rick mentions that he inspired himself after traveling with Jerry to a Rick and Morty convention in the "real" world (C-132 comics)

Doctor has broken Fourth Wall on occasion, but not on Rick's level. It's unlikely to really impact much (if we go to higher dimensional stuff, Doctor Who's cosmology can go up to 1-A depending on interpretation)

Honestly, you need to lowball the Doctor immensely for this to be a loss for him. But upsets do exist...

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Ik that rick is often more ruthless than the doctor, however the doctor has been shown to be able to be ruthless as well, see the rage of a timelord clip on yt and times he talks to a dalek in the 9th doctors run of the New Dr Who

 

[Ultimate_Invader_Pendulum]

The Doctor has precognition, albeit more limited to detecting temporal things, so Rick may have an advantage there (but in character, Rick rarely uses it). The personality thing is true, but the Doctor is very much willing to kill or erase someone's existence.


On low ends, the Doctor has the advantage with ftl reactions and faster than sight movement. For the higher ends, Lux Aeterna, Time Vortex, etc states make it so the Doctor has immeasurable speeds regardless.


Time Lords have tech that rewrote reality to follow logic and rationality rather than illogical and irrational things things like magic. Magic was literally erased for instance. The Doctor could probably use the Amaranth to just undo that. Not to mention his higher states or the Key to Time.


The Doctor's Tardis. It's OP as *****. Higher states just tank it.


The Doctor can just erase his existence or rewrite the entire multiverse to be without Rick.


Useful, but the other Doctors don't matter in the fight.


Higher states just overpower this, the Tardis can travel the multiverse (albeit with severe difficulty without the Time Lords being alive)


Doctor has Amaranth, Key of Time, and higher states that do reality warping as well. Everything other than the Amaranth operates on a multiversal scale.


Doctor has broken Fourth Wall on occasion, but not on Rick's level. It's unlikely to really impact much (if we go to higher dimensional stuff, Doctor Who's cosmology can go up to 1-A depending on interpretation)

Honestly, you need to lowball the Doctor immensely for this to be a loss for him. But upsets do exist...

Honestly, I don't quite understand how reality warping could eliminate someone who can come back from literal nothing.

But other than that your other arguments sound convincing.

 

[Ultimate_Invader_Pendulum]

Honestly, is better dying in a match agains Doctor Who, than brag about beating Stewie, Bender or some random adult toon character, the most basics match ups for rick.

 

[Tyranno223]

Honestly, I don't quite understand how reality warping could eliminate someone who can come back from literal nothing.

But other than that your other arguments sound convincing.

I meant make it so Rick is written out of history and reality across the multiverse sort of warping.

 

[Chronicplane]

So essentially; Doc has a means of surviving, avoiding or defending against Rick's offense via the Tardis + regeneration whereas Rick doesn't have the same against Doc bombing the hyperverse and could counter Rick's immortality via existential erasure, sealing or timeline bombing. Shit man the Doctor Who verse is cracked AF.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Lmao no matter what media he's appeared, Eustace will always suffer

He will be back next episode again, its not the 1st time he got trapped inside a box with demonic hands coming from it

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Due to the death battle, youtube recommended me these old promos from back in the days

 

[Tyranno223]

For an added note, the Tardis should be able to travel the multiverse in a verse equalisation.

Only reason it has trouble these days is because of the peculiarities of the Doctor Who multiverse making it so travel is rather difficult without Time Lord governance. Each universe is literally walled off from each other.

DB would have both opponents be fighting in a verse equalised state (unless otherwise specified) in regards to setting, so there shouldn't be trouble for the Tardis if Rick's own portal gun isn't suddenly unable to travel to other universe.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Should be expected rick and doctor will travel through other death battles with the portal gun? Or at least more cameos to other fights/combatants?

 

[Joycap]

https://tiermaker.com/create/death-battle-season-10-110713

Updated my list

Speaking of updated tier lists...

Yeah, as a comedy episode, this basically blows SaitamaPopeye and WarioD3 out of the goddamn water. OST is a banger too, can't wait for it to come out.

 

[Joycap]

Nice reference and hint lol

I'M POWERFUL
I PUNCH THE BEST

 

[Tyranno223]

Should be expected rick and doctor will travel through other death battles with the portal gun? Or at least more cameos to other fights/combatants?

They've already cameod in Billcord.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

They've already cameod in Billcord.

Im talking besides the obvious

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

What if Season 12 was made up entirely of match-ups that had been eliminated in this years ballot?

 

[Chronicplane]

Question is the Doctor in the top 10 strongest combatants on Death Battle's show

Going based of DB stats and if we assume DB will have the Doctor as high as everywhere else we should expect something like this?

1.Zatanna
2.Raven
3.Phoenix
4.Scarlet Witch
5.The Doctor(hypothetically)
6.Bill Cipher
7.Thor Odinson
8.Doctor Fate
9.Discord
10.Archie SIlver

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

Archie Silver over Archie Sonic?

 

[Blunt_Claw]

What if Season 12 was made up entirely of match-ups that had been eliminated in this years ballot?

Wouldn't be a terrible season.

 

[Chronicplane]

Archie Silver over Archie Sonic?

Based of DB stats they had Silver above Sonic yeah. Sonic would scale above tho.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Retroactive DB scaling is an issue, since Archie Super Sonic should match Archie Super Silver, not to mention Darkseid & IG Thanos.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Based of DB stats they had Silver above Sonic yeah. Sonic would scale above tho.

I think they stated silver is nowhere near Knuckles and Sonic in that episode too

 

[CardboardSlime]

Scrourage is the top dog of the season so far. Not too familiar with next time though, but I'll give it a watch once it's out.

 

[Chronicplane]

I think they stated silver is nowhere near Knuckles and Sonic in that episode too

They didn't have those numbers or cosmology for archie sonic, also that isn't exactly accurate they specifically said that Silver ain't quite the level of Knuckles or Sonic in strength or speed but he's relative to them.

 

[Chronicplane]

Up to date: 07/11/23

 

[Chronicplane]

 

[Jasonsith]

Screw brutality. This is the last factor to consider - the true concern is how is each other going to deduce how to kill the other opponent for good without oneself being killed.


I am wondering if both are given prep time or both not.
The Doctor claps on either situation anyway.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Scrourage is the top dog of the season so far. Not too familiar with next time though, but I'll give it a watch once it's out.

Heh, top dog.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

What if Season 12 was made up entirely of match-ups that had been eliminated in this years ballot?

Would probably be too expensive. That's like 31 MUs.

 

[Jasonsith]

If Spider-Man vs Ladybug is not stompy enough I have another Murder the Spider matchup for y'all - with a music

We are inFamous Ft. @spideylight528 - Spiderman vs Cole MacGrath (Marvel vs inFamous)
Basic Bronze Sonic

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

If Spider-Man vs Ladybug is not stompy enough I have another Murder the Spider matchup for y'all - with a music

We are inFamous Ft. @spideylight528 - Spiderman vs Cole MacGrath (Marvel vs inFamous)
Basic Bronze Sonic

I can barely hear the lyrics.

 

[Jasonsith]

Scooby-Doo VS Courage the Cowardly Dog | DEATH BATTLE!
712,914 views
Premiered 11 hours ago
(712,914 clicks in 11.33 hours)

Quick growth
Rivalling Gojo vs Makima.

Scooby-Doo VS Courage the Cowardly Dog | DEATH BATTLE!
889,249 views
Premiered 20 hours ago

Holy.

The episode is now at 930k views in 16 hours, it’s 100% getting 1 mil at the end of the day

Gojo VS Makima (Jujutsu Kaisen VS Chainsaw Man) | DEATH BATTLE!
1,075,177 views Premiered Oct 24, 2023

Holy.

Is Gojo vs Makima THE #1 honoured one still? In terms of click growth rate? Or will Scrourage be the top dog?

 

[Da3ggman]

Late, but Courage vs Scooby might be my favorite episode of the season, and is definitely in my Top 5 of all time.

 

[Tipper17]

So if both combatants are immortal and have no way to actually overcome one another's immortality Death now deems it a draw? Tbh I wonder what other MU's could end up like this.

This is good question

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

This is good question

Bad Mr. Frosty MUs, GO!