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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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To be fair I don't think Magneto's generally considered Herald tier or even Grey Hulk/Thing tier so I have no idea where the **** to put him.

I'm pretty sure the rock the size of Manhattan was an outlier even by non-Marvel and DC standards, as was the Planet busting bullet.
 
Tipper17 said:
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Magneto (Marvel Comics)

Max Eisenhardt, better known as Magneto, is one of the most powerful mutants in the world and a recurring foe of the X-Men. After suffering from multiple tragedies throughout his life, he became determined to end humanity's oppression of mutants by upending the human-led governments of the...
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I take pride no one takes this garbage wiki stats seriously
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City level Magneto?!

Are y'all ******* serious right now? What did comics ever do to you?
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Despite his inconsistencies Magneto is narratively supposed to be super strong right? An Omega Level mutant
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He's even been called the "Single strongest being on the planet" or something before IIRC. And raw power isn't the only determining factor for being an Omega Level mutant, Jean Grey is considered one even without the Phoenix Force.
TMaakkonen said:
Magneto couldn't even be bothered to be put at 5-B? pfft
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That 5-B feat always felt weird to me. Espesially since nobody used to scale to it.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Eh, he's not really a specific villain of any series or character besides in his own Tomb of Dracula books. He's about as much a X-Men/Doctor Strange villain as he is a Spider-Man/Blade villain.
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Oh great, so he's even more all over the ******' place than Magneto.

You don't get to have consistent ratings when you've pissed off five different tiers of superhero.
 
I'm pretty sure we literally just need to make a spreadsheet of every single fight every single comic character has had to find out what tier is the most consistent for them.

Anyone who owns literally every Marvel comic book ever and has a **** ton of free time wanna help us with that?
 
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May I ask: is nobody questioning whether it is a vandalism on the page of Magneto?

Like is Magneto that weak? Or does he have "varied" levels of powers instead?



Oh Mags need 'o be treated with fairness and justice.

The_Smashor said:
I'm pretty sure we literally just need to make a spreadsheet of every single fight every single comic character has had to find out what tier is the most consistent for them.

Anyone who owns literally every Marvel comic book ever and has a **** ton of free time wanna help us with that?
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The_Smashor said:
No, seriously, this might actually be a good idea. Might even make a good YouTube series.
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I concur.

Disclaimer: I do not own a paperback copy of Marvel Comics book.
 
Since we're on the topic of the sites Mahval profiles, can we take a minute to stop complaining about the characters stats and instead complain about most characters having shitty powers and abilities sections? Obviously some are great like Spider-Man, or that one really good profile of Pluto/Hades (The super cool and incredibly handsome man who made that profile did a really good job). But most just seem incomplete and don't really explain anything. Using Dracula as an example for how bad a large number of these P&A sections are, here's his current P&A section:

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed and durability, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High. Regenerated from just a skeleton, and from being turned to ashes), Resurrection, Hypnotism, Transformation (Bats, rats, wolf, and mist), Magic, Summoning, Weather Manipulation, Intangibility in mist form (Except for lightning attacks), Necromancy (Raised the dead), Enhanced Senses (Can hear the footsteps of insects.Vampires have perfect night vision), Flight (Flew towards a man).

And here's my very incomplete and not even close to being finished revamp of his P&A section:
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 7), Regeneration (Low-Mid, He can regenerate from[1] a skeletal state in jus a few seconds[2], Mid-High if the tears or blood of a virgin are mixed with his ashes[3], or if his ashes are placed in a coffin filled with his native soil[4]), Enhanced Senses (He could hear voices of two people and identify one of them as a woman despite them being far enough away that they couldn't hear Dracula being shot just moments prior[1], could hear noises from an apartment that nobody else around him could[5], had his senses described as animal-keen as he sensed Frank Drake hiding nearby[6], heard Taj trying to sneak up on him and claimed to capable of hearing the footsteps of insects[7], can sense human flesh[8], can normally hear someone before they reach the door, can hear near inaudible sounds[9], Vampires possess perfect night vision[10], sensed the presence of Doctor Strange and was able to tell he was different from a normal human[11], sensed Charity Brown, who lived in America, while he was still in Transylvania[12]), Stealth Mastery (He could peer through a large window and watch a conversation unfold completely undetected by those inside[13], can sneak up on[14] people without being heard[12], his mist form moves silently[15]), Weapon Mastery (Is a master swordsman[16], capable of matching Solomon Kane while not trying[17]), Surface Scaling (Capable of crawling[18] and walking on vertical surfaces[19]), Shapeshifting (Can turn into a normal sized[13] or man sized bat[20], can turn into mist[7]) Flight (Via his bat form, but can seemingly fly in his normal form[21]), Intangibility (Via his mist form), Elemental Manipulation (Air Manipulation - Can create sudden gusts of wind[13] and hurricanes[15], Lightning Manipulation - Can summon and control lightning bolts[2], Weather Manipulation - He can create snowstorms[22], thunderstorms[23], and heavy rainstorms[7], implied to be capable of creating heavy mist[20]), Animal Manipulation (Stated to be capable of controlling rats, bats, and wolves[24], can control black widow spiders[7], commanded rats and wolves to attack a hunter[25], can control coyotes[26]), Corruption (Type 1. Can turn his victims[1] into vampires[27]), Telepathy (Sent telepathic commands to Clifford Graves[6], telepathically spoke to Charity Brown[12]), Highly situational Invisibility (Vampires don't cast reflections[5], he doesn't appear in photographs[28] or X-Ray scans[29]), Illusion Negation (Can strip away illusions[26]), Mind Manipulation (Upon eye contact he can near instantly take[1] control over his victims mind[13], capable of taking control over[22] entire groups of people at once[30], was able to mentally manipulate his foes without directly controlling them[14], his hypnosis is potent enough to affect Doctor Strange[11], who had to abandon his own body in order to not fall victim to it[31]), Paralysis Inducement & Pain Manipulation (His gaze can stop people in their tracks[26], unable to move and feeling sudden pain until he gives an order[30]), Madness Manipulation (Can drive people mad[32]), Perception Manipulation (Made Charity Brown see images of himself[12]), Empathic Manipulation (His gaze can make someone go from an enraged state to on their knees crying[33]), Memory Manipulation (Can erase memories[18])

Resistance to Social Influencing (Can resist woman[17] attempting to seduce him[26]), Low Temperatures (Could survive in very cold climates for centuries if he had enough blood to sustain himself[8], vampires in general don't feel the cold[34]), Mind Manipulation (Was able to withstand the effects of a machine that was shredding apart his mind[35], could've resisted someone controlling his mind if he felt like it[36], with great difficulty he was able to break free from one of Doctor Stranges mind manipulating spells[11]), Soul Manipulation (Broke free of spell that was reaching into his soul[20]), Possession (Scales to Blade, who can resist possession due to his vampiric biology)

I know there's a lot of characters with a lot of issues to read, but man it really feels like a lot of these profiles P&A sections are based around typing in "Hulk Feats" on google images and slapping the first 5 images into the profile.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Since we're on the topic of the sites Mahval profiles, can we take a minute to stop complaining about the characters stats and instead complain about most characters having shitty powers and abilities sections?
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This always irked me as well, particularly Pre-Crisis Superman having so little abilities and Resistances listed, and Amazo. It’s like most profiles don’t even try
 
TMaakkonen said:
Turns out it was a legitimate downgrade thread:

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This site so trigger happy to upgrade whatever Fodder to X,Y or Z levels
Animegod12345 said:
Still better than obd wiki
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No one cares fool we're focusing on our wiki
The_Smashor said:
To be fair, I'm pretty sure the only reason anyone cares about Amazo is the DCAU.

Let's face it, most of these profiles were made really early in the Wiki's existence, and then people proceeded to not give a flying **** about them.
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Sadly true
 
Dust_Collector said:
Since we're on the topic of the sites Mahval profiles, can we take a minute to stop complaining about the characters stats and instead complain about most characters having shitty powers and abilities sections? Obviously some are great like Spider-Man, or that one really good profile of Pluto/Hades (The super cool and incredibly handsome man who made that profile did a really good job). But most just seem incomplete and don't really explain anything. Using Dracula as an example for how bad a large number of these P&A sections are, here's his current P&A section:

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed and durability, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High. Regenerated from just a skeleton, and from being turned to ashes), Resurrection, Hypnotism, Transformation (Bats, rats, wolf, and mist), Magic, Summoning, Weather Manipulation, Intangibility in mist form (Except for lightning attacks), Necromancy (Raised the dead), Enhanced Senses (Can hear the footsteps of insects.Vampires have perfect night vision), Flight (Flew towards a man).

And here's my very incomplete and not even close to being finished revamp of his P&A section:
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 7), Regeneration (Low-Mid, He can regenerate from[1] a skeletal state in jus a few seconds[2], Mid-High if the tears or blood of a virgin are mixed with his ashes[3], or if his ashes are placed in a coffin filled with his native soil[4]), Enhanced Senses (He could hear voices of two people and identify one of them as a woman despite them being far enough away that they couldn't hear Dracula being shot just moments prior[1], could hear noises from an apartment that nobody else around him could[5], had his senses described as animal-keen as he sensed Frank Drake hiding nearby[6], heard Taj trying to sneak up on him and claimed to capable of hearing the footsteps of insects[7], can sense human flesh[8], can normally hear someone before they reach the door, can hear near inaudible sounds[9], Vampires possess perfect night vision[10], sensed the presence of Doctor Strange and was able to tell he was different from a normal human[11], sensed Charity Brown, who lived in America, while he was still in Transylvania[12]), Stealth Mastery (He could peer through a large window and watch a conversation unfold completely undetected by those inside[13], can sneak up on[14] people without being heard[12], his mist form moves silently[15]), Weapon Mastery (Is a master swordsman[16], capable of matching Solomon Kane while not trying[17]), Surface Scaling (Capable of crawling[18] and walking on vertical surfaces[19]), Shapeshifting (Can turn into a normal sized[13] or man sized bat[20], can turn into mist[7]) Flight (Via his bat form, but can seemingly fly in his normal form[21]), Intangibility (Via his mist form), Elemental Manipulation (Air Manipulation - Can create sudden gusts of wind[13] and hurricanes[15], Lightning Manipulation - Can summon and control lightning bolts[2], Weather Manipulation - He can create snowstorms[22], thunderstorms[23], and heavy rainstorms[7], implied to be capable of creating heavy mist[20]), Animal Manipulation (Stated to be capable of controlling rats, bats, and wolves[24], can control black widow spiders[7], commanded rats and wolves to attack a hunter[25], can control coyotes[26]), Corruption (Type 1. Can turn his victims[1] into vampires[27]), Telepathy (Sent telepathic commands to Clifford Graves[6], telepathically spoke to Charity Brown[12]), Highly situational Invisibility (Vampires don't cast reflections[5], he doesn't appear in photographs[28] or X-Ray scans[29]), Illusion Negation (Can strip away illusions[26]), Mind Manipulation (Upon eye contact he can near instantly take[1] control over his victims mind[13], capable of taking control over[22] entire groups of people at once[30], was able to mentally manipulate his foes without directly controlling them[14], his hypnosis is potent enough to affect Doctor Strange[11], who had to abandon his own body in order to not fall victim to it[31]), Paralysis Inducement & Pain Manipulation (His gaze can stop people in their tracks[26], unable to move and feeling sudden pain until he gives an order[30]), Madness Manipulation (Can drive people mad[32]), Perception Manipulation (Made Charity Brown see images of himself[12]), Empathic Manipulation (His gaze can make someone go from an enraged state to on their knees crying[33]), Memory Manipulation (Can erase memories[18])

Resistance to Social Influencing (Can resist woman[17] attempting to seduce him[26]), Low Temperatures (Could survive in very cold climates for centuries if he had enough blood to sustain himself[8], vampires in general don't feel the cold[34]), Mind Manipulation (Was able to withstand the effects of a machine that was shredding apart his mind[35], could've resisted someone controlling his mind if he felt like it[36], with great difficulty he was able to break free from one of Doctor Stranges mind manipulating spells[11]), Soul Manipulation (Broke free of spell that was reaching into his soul[20]), Possession (Scales to Blade, who can resist possession due to his vampiric biology)

I know there's a lot of characters with a lot of issues to read, but man it really feels like a lot of these profiles P&A sections are based around typing in "Hulk Feats" on google images and slapping the first 5 images into the profile.
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Yeesh that's a lot
 
I know it's cliche and eyerolling to say, but the Wiki doesn't get any less shit when you're complaining about problems you have with it in a thread about a youtube show that has no direct connection to us.

I know a lot of people are in revisions constantly, and I know a lot of others are apathetic or have given up for various reasons, but I like to be on the first group's side and be optimistic that it just takes some effort and making some noise to get things done.
 
Dust_Collector said:
Since we're on the topic of the sites Mahval profiles, can we take a minute to stop complaining about the characters stats and instead complain about most characters having shitty powers and abilities sections? Obviously some are great like Spider-Man, or that one really good profile of Pluto/Hades (The super cool and incredibly handsome man who made that profile did a really good job). But most just seem incomplete and don't really explain anything. Using Dracula as an example for how bad a large number of these P&A sections are, here's his current P&A section:

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman strength, speed and durability, Immortality (Types 1 and 3), Regeneration (Mid-High. Regenerated from just a skeleton, and from being turned to ashes), Resurrection, Hypnotism, Transformation (Bats, rats, wolf, and mist), Magic, Summoning, Weather Manipulation, Intangibility in mist form (Except for lightning attacks), Necromancy (Raised the dead), Enhanced Senses (Can hear the footsteps of insects.Vampires have perfect night vision), Flight (Flew towards a man).

And here's my very incomplete and not even close to being finished revamp of his P&A section:
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 3, and 7), Regeneration (Low-Mid, He can regenerate from[1] a skeletal state in jus a few seconds[2], Mid-High if the tears or blood of a virgin are mixed with his ashes[3], or if his ashes are placed in a coffin filled with his native soil[4]), Enhanced Senses (He could hear voices of two people and identify one of them as a woman despite them being far enough away that they couldn't hear Dracula being shot just moments prior[1], could hear noises from an apartment that nobody else around him could[5], had his senses described as animal-keen as he sensed Frank Drake hiding nearby[6], heard Taj trying to sneak up on him and claimed to capable of hearing the footsteps of insects[7], can sense human flesh[8], can normally hear someone before they reach the door, can hear near inaudible sounds[9], Vampires possess perfect night vision[10], sensed the presence of Doctor Strange and was able to tell he was different from a normal human[11], sensed Charity Brown, who lived in America, while he was still in Transylvania[12]), Stealth Mastery (He could peer through a large window and watch a conversation unfold completely undetected by those inside[13], can sneak up on[14] people without being heard[12], his mist form moves silently[15]), Weapon Mastery (Is a master swordsman[16], capable of matching Solomon Kane while not trying[17]), Surface Scaling (Capable of crawling[18] and walking on vertical surfaces[19]), Shapeshifting (Can turn into a normal sized[13] or man sized bat[20], can turn into mist[7]) Flight (Via his bat form, but can seemingly fly in his normal form[21]), Intangibility (Via his mist form), Elemental Manipulation (Air Manipulation - Can create sudden gusts of wind[13] and hurricanes[15], Lightning Manipulation - Can summon and control lightning bolts[2], Weather Manipulation - He can create snowstorms[22], thunderstorms[23], and heavy rainstorms[7], implied to be capable of creating heavy mist[20]), Animal Manipulation (Stated to be capable of controlling rats, bats, and wolves[24], can control black widow spiders[7], commanded rats and wolves to attack a hunter[25], can control coyotes[26]), Corruption (Type 1. Can turn his victims[1] into vampires[27]), Telepathy (Sent telepathic commands to Clifford Graves[6], telepathically spoke to Charity Brown[12]), Highly situational Invisibility (Vampires don't cast reflections[5], he doesn't appear in photographs[28] or X-Ray scans[29]), Illusion Negation (Can strip away illusions[26]), Mind Manipulation (Upon eye contact he can near instantly take[1] control over his victims mind[13], capable of taking control over[22] entire groups of people at once[30], was able to mentally manipulate his foes without directly controlling them[14], his hypnosis is potent enough to affect Doctor Strange[11], who had to abandon his own body in order to not fall victim to it[31]), Paralysis Inducement & Pain Manipulation (His gaze can stop people in their tracks[26], unable to move and feeling sudden pain until he gives an order[30]), Madness Manipulation (Can drive people mad[32]), Perception Manipulation (Made Charity Brown see images of himself[12]), Empathic Manipulation (His gaze can make someone go from an enraged state to on their knees crying[33]), Memory Manipulation (Can erase memories[18])

Resistance to Social Influencing (Can resist woman[17] attempting to seduce him[26]), Low Temperatures (Could survive in very cold climates for centuries if he had enough blood to sustain himself[8], vampires in general don't feel the cold[34]), Mind Manipulation (Was able to withstand the effects of a machine that was shredding apart his mind[35], could've resisted someone controlling his mind if he felt like it[36], with great difficulty he was able to break free from one of Doctor Stranges mind manipulating spells[11]), Soul Manipulation (Broke free of spell that was reaching into his soul[20]), Possession (Scales to Blade, who can resist possession due to his vampiric biology)

I know there's a lot of characters with a lot of issues to read, but man it really feels like a lot of these profiles P&A sections are based around typing in "Hulk Feats" on google images and slapping the first 5 images into the profile.
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Wall of text powers and abilities are an issue themselves.
 
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