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one google search, litterally a one google search to see that your wrong.
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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (1) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Why Jin over Kaz
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I'd assume because Jin and Iori both dislike their "Evil" power while Kazuya outright embraces it.
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I guess that could work, though he seems a bit obsure and probably would never happen since the the collection of his stories is 232 chapters long.
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Meh, Jin has better choices, one happened already, other is either sasuke or hayabusa, unless someone finds better opponents for him
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I’m… not really sure what this has to do with anything? Raven has nothing to do with Discord vs Bill.
Though on the topic a friend of a friend made this pretty cool art, and an actually good Discord sprite.
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Damn, that gives me Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie flashbacks. Really want to that 4-th wall breaking interaction with other episodes happen again.I’m… not really sure what this has to do with anything? Raven has nothing to do with Discord vs Bill.
Though on the topic a friend of a friend made this pretty cool art, and an actually good Discord sprite.
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Also, @Loh67867 and just people who remember this:
docs.google.com
It's time for me to continue work.
And here we have it, the final version
Thanks to all of you for participating in my dumb lil project, it was definetly fun making it
Episode 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black
Episode number 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black. Requested by: Loh67867 credit for thumbnail to JamesSonic Wiz and Boomstick theme W: Scourge the hedgehog. An evil version of Sonic the hedgehog from the parallel universe. B: And Goku Black. A supreme Kai of universe 10, in the body of ...
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Wait are you really gonna do battles for all of those? I don’t know that was a part of it.Also, @Loh67867 and just people who remember this:
It's time for me to continue work.Episode 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black
Episode number 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black. Requested by: Loh67867 credit for thumbnail to JamesSonic Wiz and Boomstick theme W: Scourge the hedgehog. An evil version of Sonic the hedgehog from the parallel universe. B: And Goku Black. A supreme Kai of universe 10, in the body of ...
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Ew Scourge the Hedgehog
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When I said I would like to work with making script to every mentioned episode on that list, I wasn't joking.
So yeah it would be pretty fun road at least to me.
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I always really weird that such feat its only in the Gigatons range, at the very least i would expect it to be in the Teratons range at least.
And for the supposed debunk for Universal+/Low Multiversal Dante, i'm currently neutral, but remember that just because the G1 bloggers say something it doesn't mean the analysis in the actual episode would be the same.
After all, the blog they had Broly at 180x above baseline Universal at best, while in the actual episode Goku SSj3 was put at 3600x above baseline Universal.
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G1 Blog had 300+ Octillion x Uni Hulk lmao
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Based btw
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Great. I legit don't care anyways, but whatever. I got it wrong. Let me hold this insignificant L over my head for a fight that'll never happen. Or maybe it somehow will, and I still won't care.
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That number is stupid huge, lol. Where did he even pull that from?
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Most based shit I've ever seen
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Sentry and Photon feat calc
Sentry and Genis-Vell clashing in the microverse generates enough energy to destroy planets on a normal scale Atoms in the microverse are solar system sized Speedy’s version: Tried a few different methods for this Multiplying the baseline for solar system level by the number of atoms in ...
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Supposed debunk... Dude, you're acting as if this was conducted by an outsider that has nothing to do with the vs wiki, lol. I'd say this has a bit more weight behind it considering the guy mainly responsible for uni+ to low multiverse Dante and DMC on this site is the one who did it. If he ends up making a revision thread within the coming months, or possibly just Weekly using it, it'll be interesting to see how the wank- wait no, that's wrong. I meant to say the supporters, will respond to it.
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Something about that just seems off, but hey, I'm not a calc guy, so what would I know.Sentry and Photon feat calc
Sentry and Genis-Vell clashing in the microverse generates enough energy to destroy planets on a normal scale Atoms in the microverse are solar system sized Speedy’s version: Tried a few different methods for this Multiplying the baseline for solar system level by the number of atoms in ...
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Also, @Loh67867 and just people who remember this:
It's time for me to continue work.Episode 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black
Episode number 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black. Requested by: Loh67867 credit for thumbnail to JamesSonic Wiz and Boomstick theme W: Scourge the hedgehog. An evil version of Sonic the hedgehog from the parallel universe. B: And Goku Black. A supreme Kai of universe 10, in the body of ...
Reminder that I've spoken of Fiora vs Emil MU in a very long post before. HMU when we get there.
Gives me enough time to run my mouth off about Mechon Fiora vs Emil Ratatosk, then, and what could be done. It'll make things easy later (partly because I don't see much hype for Symphonia in VS for some reason, and DotNW is straight up deprived on VS info).
Relations:
(See previous post)
Premise:
Location: Agniritha (Mechonis), Residential District 2.
[XC1 Party arrives in Agniritha as usual. Terminals in the Central Tower pick up data on an unknown entity in the 2nd Residential District, dawning a blue robe and scarf]
Shulk: "Blue robe? That doesn't sound like anyone I know..."
Reyn: "Me neither. And I don't suppose you've had any Visions as of late?"
Shulk: "No, not since Egil set Apocrypha off."
[Shulk then looks up at Fiora in the Central Tower doorway, noticing her clutching the core on her chest]
Shulk: "Fiora? What is it?"
Fiora: "More low sounds... another Machina?"
Shulk: "Can't be Vanea, she just left. And Egil is on the other side of the city."
Fiora: "Wait, it's something... or someone different. Mayneth seems to have taken an interest, too."
[Fiora turns to Shulk with a pensive look on her face]
Fiora: "It seems to be coming from the 2nd Residential District. Can I catch up with you later?"
Reyn: "I mean, we're going via that area anyway. I don't see why you need to-"
[The core containing Mayneth's presence begins to glow]
Reyn: "...Oh. I mean it's Mayneth, so..."
Shulk: "Are you sure?"
Mayneth: "Yes. I am not sure if this presence is something you are equipped to handle."
Fiora: "Besides, you have Terminals to activate. We'll be back to fight Egil before you know it!"
Shulk: "Alright. Be careful, though."
[Meanwhile, at the 2nd Residential District, Emil Ratatosk is present with Tenebrae. Arms crossed, back to a building wall].
Ratatosk: "What a joke. What are these rust buckets made out of, tin foil?"
Tenebrae: "They seem to have been a result of the civilisation that built this city. Their state is unsurprising, given the time."
Ratatosk: "No different to Martelian dogshit, if you ask me..."
[Fiora walks into the scene]
Fiora: "...And you are?"
Ratatosk: "I should be asking you the same question."
[Ratatosk then takes interest in Mayneth's core]
Ratatosk: "A Centurion's Core? No... it's even more powerful..."
[Emil Ratatosk then lunges at Fiora]
Tenebrae: "Wait, that's not...!"
[Fiora draws both blades just quickly enough to block the overhead]
Fiora: "I guess this isn't the first time I've saw blood in the eyes!"
FIGHT! (Or equivalent here)
Incorporation(s):
Ain Soph Aur being used to kill Mayneth's actual form is the first thing that comes to mind, being a callback to when Zanza did the same to Mayneth in the Mechonis Core. A version of this fight where the 'timid' Emil asking Fiora to finish him off comes to mind (likely with Final Cross), making reference to Ratatosk's attempts to take him over for good near the end of DotNW.
Why (likely) 2D?
I said I was mostly indifferent which animation style this came out in (and for the most part, I still am), and I know it might be surprising that I'm not going to say 3D for this given both characters origins (and the fact that my mind was in 3D mode for making the premise). But after looking back through the cutscenes of DotNW, there's something about Emil's sword drawing animation that makes me think "Sasuke vs Hiei called, they want a word". Is this just me?
(I could find a better example, but I'm not scouring 8 hours worth of cutscenes over minutia).
As for Fiora being in 2D? Well, I understand that Project X Zone is in sprite, so it wouldn't be hard to grab rigs from there.
Note: I also happened to find... whatever this is, meaning that alternating art styles aren't impossible.
Who wins?
IMHO this matchup is a little complicated, and while I think that the victor is more than likely Fiora due to the Bionis/Mechonis Universe scaling; a combination of misinterpreted Symphonia speed tiers and some hax from Ratatosk means that this isn't nearly as one-sided as one might think.
Firstly: Power. While (again) it's easy to call it a day at "Fiora has a greater power range (5-B - 2-C) due to Mayneth", there are some interesting anecdotes towards the end of DotNW that indicate to me that Ratatosk's peak goes beyond the 5-B (planetary) scaling on the VS wiki. If I'm not mistaken (at least, in the context of DotNW), the Great Kharlan Tree is often compared to a planet in it's ability to destroy and/or create life, it's death being the inciting incident of the war in DotNW, and being the impetus for Lloyd's supposed planetary peak (I am not familiar with the OG Symphonia, so bear with me. My only source for it is the VS wiki pages).
This is important to note, as Richter was actually able to box Lloyd to a standstill in the later half of DotNW, all without the use of his Sacred Stone form that gave him his fire amp form, that form being what allowed him to take on the demonic realm (as far as I'm aware, a parallel to the earth in question). This form would put Richter at likely multi-planetary, and given the relations between Richter and Ratatosk, they both directly scale to each other (or at least, a version with all 8 Centurions scales to Rhicter's true form). See, the nature of Ratatosk seems to imply casual life-wiper abilities when he commanded the Centurions to exterminate all of humanity in order to restore the Mana balance in the flashback near the end of Chapter 7, and if Ratatosk is commanding both the human and demon realms, than Occam's Razor states that this more than likely dual or multi-planetary in power tiers. The possession of the awakened Centurions also gives rise to the possibility of a version of this fight that Emil actually wins, when considering their ability to separate Ratatosk from Emil's body at the end of the game (which I interpret as a literal '2nd life' kind of thing, and the standard Emil actually scales to Ratatosk at the very end of the game), one form of the hax I eluded to earlier.
All of this would put Emil's power range anywhere up to 4-C (small star level) due to the distinctions between creation and destruction energy. Not quite Mayneth's 2-C peak, right? Apart from looking at the circumstances that got Mayneth's god form killed, those ranges above large planet (5-A) are actually a lot harder to justify (as funny as it is that Fiora without Mayneth was able to trade hands with True Form Zanza, whereas Mayneth died to an attack from his form that had only just reawakened on the Mechonis Core).
"However, I had no idea that I would defeat her so... easily" - Zanza, explaining his intent to do battle with Mayneth.
Keep in mind, if Zanza and Mayneth truly do scale to each other because of the Bionis and Mechonis fighting, and them being the arbiters of those respective worlds, then where is Zanza's true form actually accounted for outside of Universe busting when considering the stalemate would imply that a version of Mayneth does actually scale?
Next: Speed. Fiora being Light speed is a very easy thing to come by, given not just internal scaling to the likes of Mayneth (and to a certain extent Zanza), but also the nature of Machina technology. An interesting anecdote bought up by Paradigm and Erico in their Xenoblade videos was the notion of a Machina navigator having access to light speed technology, as revealed by a Eryth Sea heart-to-heart between Fiora and Riki. It's not unreasonable to assume that some form of this technology was implemented into Fiora when making her a Face Unit.
Now, I know what you're thinking: "Symphonia verse is only Lightning Level! Emil can't touch that! This is a complete blowout!"
Um... did we just completely forget that Raine Sage Photon is a thing? A Light construct? Might want to get your writers to double check that...
Finally: Hax. As well as the life-split mentioned earlier being but a fraction of Ratatosk's ability to destroy and create life through Mana, it turns out he also has the ability to govern the laws that allow him to do so, being what allowed him to create a new seal for the Ginungagop (however the hell you spell that word, it's the weirdest thing to say). How applicable to combat this is, I'm not sure (the '1000s of years' quote comes to mind), but the fact that he has this ability should be looked into. And of course, I won't leave Fiora out to dry here, as what she has through arts (phys/ether drain, Zero Gravity para etc.) gives her just as much to work with. Anything marked as possible with gems, though... you should already know my stance on that.
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I finally did it, my season template. A lot of it were shitposts.
Would you say this is good season or nah?
Would you say this is good season or nah?
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Holy shit, awesome scriptAlso, @Loh67867 and just people who remember this:
It's time for me to continue work.Episode 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black
Episode number 1: Scourge the hedgehog vs Goku Black. Requested by: Loh67867 credit for thumbnail to JamesSonic Wiz and Boomstick theme W: Scourge the hedgehog. An evil version of Sonic the hedgehog from the parallel universe. B: And Goku Black. A supreme Kai of universe 10, in the body of ...
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Thanks.
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I'm looking at the Scrouge vs Goku Black script, and I've just realised that you skipped over Raz vs Ness. Any particular reason? Or is @Oleggator MIA?
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Oh that's actually simple. At first I do planned to do Raz vs Ness after Scourge vs Black Goku and to point out more I even have already 2 potential versions of the fight the thing is psychonauts 2 is litteraly next month release which can give a lot stuff to Raz.
So better would be to wait than making and redoing.
For time I'll make a script for Bandana Dee vs Hero Prinny and (probably) Bill vs Discord Psychonauts 2 will already come out. And since I played Psychonauts, Earthbound, Mother 3 and also know pretty much about Mother and the VR game of Psychonauts (In the rhombus of ruin is name Iirc) working with Raz and Ness would be very easy to me.
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And I'm guessing these scripts are a monthly thing? Looks like I'll be waiting a while lest we want to do two or more episodes simultaneously.
I regret putting Fiora vs Emil in slot 7 now...
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I mean, Scourge vs Black Goku took me so long because I had exams at June, and also since I tried to understand how Black Goku makes his clones and how he uses time ring plus how Scourge's acausality worked to only later understand this time travel stuff is basically not much useful for this fight (also cause I'm lazy), but who knows maybe next combatants would be easier to discover.
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You know what, I've just had a fun idea myself: pun making!
Basically we think of an ending pun for matchup ideas that we have. Bonus points if we can play both sides (one for each winner), or if we can make it ambiguous who won.
I'll start with one I just thought of for Fiora vs Emil:
"On Fiora's list, it looks like Emil -Mayneth- has been the Final Cross. You can't argue the Rat-a-TOSS with that!"
Basically we think of an ending pun for matchup ideas that we have. Bonus points if we can play both sides (one for each winner), or if we can make it ambiguous who won.
I'll start with one I just thought of for Fiora vs Emil:
"On Fiora's list, it looks like Emil -Mayneth- has been the Final Cross. You can't argue the Rat-a-TOSS with that!"
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Akechi beats Maul even without VSW stats right?
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Akechi solo's 90% of vs because SMT is wanked that hard
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Raven defeated Twilight Sparkle back at Season Five and some MLP fans are outrageous at Death Battle crew downplaying Twilight.
Discord vs Bill Cipher will cheer the more toxic MLP fans up as Discord (being universe level) will likely defeat Bill Cipher (who is also universe level).
And my opinion is that Discord beating Bill Cipher will not make powerscaling inconsistent by having a stronger and more haxed character losing to a since Raven still defeats Twilight even if we give universe level Twilight.
Are we sure Pit killing Sora will not enrage the Kingdom Hearts fans?Though on the topic a friend of a friend made this pretty cool art, and an actually good Discord sprite.
And em... Who is the girl who look like Seryu Ubiquitous fighting against?
Is SMT being strong a wank? Like a stage boss is universe level by molesting students, and a giant Baldi is multi universe level or even low complex multiverse level.
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Me, understands that I also would need to work on shin megami tensei:
At least I'm sure cause Zelda and DC fans weren't angry in deadpool vs the mask
That's actually Esdeath vs Gray, just Discord changed ice into fire. A play with irony.
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When I learned how to rip PS2 ISOs to a hard drive, I planned to play more of MegaTen on it (in fact I have P3, P4, SMT III Nocturne, and the Digital Devil Saga games on standby).
I'm just sceptical, is all.
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Wellp, if Akechi ends up winning in future feel free to use:
Boomstick: "In the end, Goro Akechi mauled Maul with low-key difficulty."
Boomstick: "In the end, Goro Akechi mauled Maul with low-key difficulty."
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Right, that Scourge vs Black fight. Pretty good but I have nitpicks.
Mistook water ball feat as ice ball feat.
Personally Boomstick should be bolded font one and Wiz normal.
Since its Goku Black, GB seems to be better than BG (Black Goku?).
So clearly it was poo-poo /s
Nah, great job. If anything DB themselves typo way too much.
Mistook water ball feat as ice ball feat.
Personally Boomstick should be bolded font one and Wiz normal.
Since its Goku Black, GB seems to be better than BG (Black Goku?).
So clearly it was poo-poo /s
Nah, great job. If anything DB themselves typo way too much.
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Yeah, the only thing I think is that it's probably called snowball after all instead of ice ball or water but it's pretty much close.
I also thought of that but then thought to use Wiz bolder for a research focus. Probably would change Boomstick to bold text and Wiz to normal focusing on accent.
Also a common mistake of mine, he shortly called Black and fully Goku Black, so I should watch it next time.
And thanks for the notes.
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Why Esdeath hair orangeI’m… not really sure what this has to do with anything? Raven has nothing to do with Discord vs Bill.
Though on the topic a friend of a friend made this pretty cool art, and an actually good Discord sprite.
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