DCEU Gets tier 6 back

[Hellbeast]

Bad Arkham, no bump
But yeah we need to discuss the feats from Aquaman
As is I think the High 6-C works but I'd be more comfortable with it if we had a range of such feats on that level

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Bad Arkham, no bump
But yeah we need to discuss the feats from Aquaman
As is I think the High 6-C works but I'd be more comfortable with it if we had a range of such feats on that level

Speaking of feats for aquaman, shouldn’t we calc him no selling the pressure of the earth’s core. Since he gets his strength from being able to withstand immense pressure

 

[Hellbeast]

Speaking of feats for aquaman, shouldn’t we calc him no selling the pressure of the earth’s core. Since he gets his strength from being able to withstand immense pressure

Not sure but it might be worth considering for Lifting Strength?
Since he'd have to overcome those pressures to even stand so it'd be scaling for the likes of Diana who is soundly stronger then him and Orm/Manta who outright compete with him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Not sure but it might be worth considering for Lifting Strength?
Since he'd have to overcome those pressures to even stand so it'd be scaling for the likes of Diana who is soundly stronger then him and Orm/Manta who outright compete with him

I would think it would also work for ap since that’s why they have super strength

"The Atlanteans have the ability to live underwater and have enhanced physical characteristics, just a notch below Superman in terms of power/invulnerability. However, they can be damaged or killed by their own technology. It's because most Atlanteans, their bodies are built to withstand thousands of pressure. They live so far down. So when they come up, their body is...they're not aliens from another planet. But because of the physics of our planet and all that stuff, when they come up to the surface world, their body can withstand really strong pressure, right?"

https://screenrant.com/aquaman-atlantean-power-level-comparison-superman/amp/

 

[Hellbeast]

I would think it would also work for ap since that’s why they have super strength

Nah I saw it mentioned surviving high pressure underwater would just be LS
Besides I doubt the forces Arthur endured are in the Tier 6 range

https://screenrant.com/aquaman-atlantean-power-level-comparison-superman/amp/

In fairness this could support downscaling from MOS era Supes

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Nah I saw it mentioned surviving high pressure underwater would just be LS
Besides I doubt the forces Arthur endured are in the Tier 6 range

In fairness this could support downscaling from MOS era Supes

I’m pretty sure that mostly applies to the average character, but considering the whole reason why his superhuman is because of surviving high pressure I’d think it transfer to ap.
Probably

true

 

[Hellbeast]

Eh you'd have to get calc members to check that logic

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Eh you'd have to get calc members to check that logic

Fair enough

 

[ArkhamDC06]

As long as we can get something out this, it's cool I think

 

[Propellus]

Bump

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Bump to

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Country level and Large Island level calcs for Supes and Doomsday were accepted.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Country level and Large Island level calcs for Supes and Doomsday were accepted.

I was just reading a post that claims Doomsday's explosion feat is invalid lol
Also, would the nuclear explosion occurring in space affect the yield of the explosion released?

 

[KLOL506]

I was just reading a post that claims Doomsday's explosion feat is invalid lol
Also, would the nuclear explosion occurring in space affect the yield of the explosion released?

Doomsday's feat is invalid because Matt noted that the feat took blace over Delaware Bay and wasn't even close to being bigger than the Delaware bay where the feat takes place.

And outer space booms are currently incalculable using the current explosion formulae.

 

[Qawsedf234]

And outer space booms are currently incalculable using the current explosion formulae.

NASA has done some stuff where a a 20 KT bomb would have a fireball or explosion stretching for over 10 miles due to the lack of atmospheric pressure. A nuke being big in space is realistic, it just doesn't mean its s 200 Gigaton bomb

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Doomsday's feat is invalid because Matt noted that the feat took blace over Delaware Bay and wasn't even close to being bigger than the Delaware bay where the feat takes place.

I figured. There is also a 2-mile radius statement of the feat, maybe that can be used instead. Won't be as impressive, but it is what it is

 

[KLOL506]

NASA has done some stuff where a a 20 KT bomb would have a fireball or explosion stretching for over 10 miles due to the lack of atmospheric pressure. A nuke being big in space is realistic, it just doesn't mean its s 200 Gigaton bomb

Zamasu got 505.796 miles out of his nuke tho. I don't think even the current world-record holder for outer space booms would come that close.

If we actually use the shells from the movie and use their IRL counterparts, yields could be even worse off, given the above databook statement of 2 miles.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Doomsday's feat is invalid because Matt noted that the feat took blace over Delaware Bay and wasn't even close to being bigger than the Delaware bay where the feat takes place.

What? The diameter of the explosion managed to reach the waters on the outskirts of the island and still expand.

 

[KLOL506]

Basically Matt's argument for that was because the explosion never goes beyond Stryker's Island in the movie, which is only 4 km long. He also considers the curvature scaling wack for the same reason.

Also the nukes used were apparently W87 nukes, which are High 7-C.

 

[Propellus]

Also the nukes used were apparently W87 nukes.

Why did I read that as WW84

 

[KLOL506]

Also @Zamasu_Chan, the Earth's diameter needs to be recalculated using the new curvature formula before you can use Earth diameter in the ang-sizing formula.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Also @Zamasu_Chan, the Earth's diameter needs to be recalculated using the new curvature formula before you can use Earth diameter in the ang-sizing formula.

damn

 

[KLOL506]

damn

Then again, the Stryker Island argument prolly stands.

 

[Propellus]

Then again, the Stryker Island argument prolly stands.

What could that possibly mean?

 

[KLOL506]

What could that possibly mean?

it means the size of the explosion is most likely being exaggerated too much.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Then again, the Stryker Island argument prolly stands.

No it doesn’t. Matthew is asserting that the explosion didn’t even leave the island but that’s not true at all. The first wide shot we get of the explosion shows that the radius definitely leaves the island.

 

[KLOL506]

No it doesn’t. Matthew is asserting that the explosion didn’t even leave the island but that’s not true at all. The first wide shot we get of the explosion shows that the radius definitely leaves the island.

How far does it go?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Going just by the VFX statement of the area affected, the destroyed area on Stryker’s Island alone is 4 miles long which is larger Matt’s pixel calc.

 

[Hellbeast]

Basically Matt's argument for that was because the explosion never goes beyond Stryker's Island in the movie, which is only 4 km long. He also considers the curvature scaling wack for the same reason.

Yeah I think I mentioned it on Discord as well
The explosion ony affects 4 miles or so of area by turning it to black rock (idk if anything gets vaporized there)

 

[Propellus]

Back to stomping the Virgin MCU
We should calc some other stuff for consistency tho

Should be around 6-B too to stomp the Eternals too

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Yeah I think I mentioned it on Discord as well
The explosion ony affects 4 miles or so of area by turning it to black rock (idk if anything gets vaporized there)

So we really using guide statements over the source material now??

 

[Qawsedf234]

So we really using guide statements over the source material now??

It doesn't.

This is the US showing of the area. Compare it to Doomsday's explosion. It doesn't exceed the length of Striker's Island, but since the island is longer than it is wide it just goes into the water. The explosion quite literally cannot be 279 kilometers wide. That is nearly as wide as the entire state of Kentucky. Unless you're suggesting that the DCEU Earth is so flat people from Gotham can see Metropolis from over 300 kilometers away with the naked eye.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Going just by the VFX statement of the area affected, the destroyed area on Stryker’s Island alone is 4 miles long which is larger Matt’s pixel calc.

Being larger than 4 miles or whatever is fine. But its not 279 kilometers.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Zamasu got 505.796 miles out of his nuke tho. I don't think even the current world-record holder for outer space booms would come that close.

Idk. There was Starfish Prime a 1.4 Megaton bomb that did the following

The consequences for the magnetosphere were completely unpredictable at the time. Also its crucial role in shielding life from solar winds was not understood until later. The Starfish Prime test resulted in a temporary alteration of the shape and intensity of the lower Van Allen belt, which created artificial aurora borealis that could be seen across the Pacific Ocean, from Hawaii to New Zealand.

The test also revealed the destructive impact of the Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) produced by a nuclear explosion. Located at more than 1,300 kilometers from the test site, the Hawaiian Island of Oahu received a power surge that knocked out numerous electric devices. The damage to both civilian and military electrical systems led physicist Lowell Wood to declare that if the Starfish test had taken place at the Nevada test site, the consequences “would still be indelibly imprinted in the minds of citizenry of the western U.S., as well as in history books.

A Thor rocket carrying a W49 thermonuclear warhead (designed at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory) and a Mk. 2 reentry vehicle was launched from Johnston Atoll in the Pacific Ocean, about 900 miles (1,450 km) west-southwest of Hawaii. The explosion took place at an altitude of 250 miles (400 km), above a point 19 miles (31 km) southwest of Johnston Atoll. It had a yield of 1.4 Mt (5.9 PJ). The explosion was about 10° above the horizon as seen from Hawaii, at 11 pm Hawaii time.[1]: 3 

At Kwajalein, 1,400 [nautical] miles [2,600 km; 1,600 mi] to the west, a dense overcast extended the length of the eastern horizon to a height of 5 or 8 degrees. At 0900 GMT a brilliant white flash burned through the clouds rapidly changing to an expanding green ball of irradiance extending into the clear sky above the overcast. From its surface extruded great white fingers, resembling cirro-stratus clouds, which rose to 40 degrees above the horizon in sweeping arcs turning downward toward the poles and disappearing in seconds to be replaced by spectacular concentric cirrus like rings moving out from the blast at tremendous initial velocity, finally stopping when the outermost ring was 50 degrees overhead. They did not disappear but persisted in a state of frozen stillness. All this occurred, I would judge, within 45 seconds. As the purplish light turned to magenta and began to fade at the point of burst, a bright red glow began to develop on the horizon at a direction 50 degrees north of east and simultaneously 50 degrees south of east expanding inward and upward until the whole eastern sky was a dull burning red semicircle 100 degrees north to south and halfway to the zenith obliterating some of the lesser stars. This condition, interspersed with tremendous white rainbows, persisted no less than ninety minutes.

At zero time at Johnston, a white flash occurred, but as soon as one could remove his goggles, no intense light was present. A second after shot time a mottled red disc was observed directly overhead and covered the sky down to about 45 degrees from the zenith. Generally, the red mottled region was more intense on the eastern portions. Along the magnetic north-south line through the burst, a white-yellow streak extended and grew to the north from near zenith. The width of the white streaked region grew from a few degrees at a few seconds to about 5–10 degrees in 30 seconds. Growth of the auroral region to the north was by addition of new lines developing from west to east. The white-yellow auroral streamers receded upward from the horizon to the north and grew to the south and at about 2 minutes the white-yellow bands were still about 10 degrees wide and extended mainly from near zenith to the south. By about two minutes, the red disc region had completed disappearance in the west and was rapidly fading on the eastern portion of the overhead disc. At 400 seconds essentially all major visible phenomena had disappeared except for possibly some faint red glow along the north-south line and on the horizon to the north. No sounds were heard at Johnston Atoll that could be definitely attributed to the detonation.

Strong electromagnetic signals were observed from the burst, as were significant magnetic field disturbances and earth currents.

So all in all the explosion being big isn't an issue, it just doesn't mean the nuke is country busting, it just means it blew up in space where nothing impedes the fireball from expanding to hilarious sizes.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Compare it to Doomsday's explosion.

my blog might as well be a big ass April Fools joke

 

[RanaProGamer]

I feel like we’ll have to do what we did for the MCU. If a feat performed has too many inconsistencies in its sizes, then it shouldn’t be used.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Bump

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Bump

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Not even sure if there's anything other than the World Engine feat that has a decent chance at bringing back Tier 6 DCEU

The Strykers Island feat is nowhere near as impressive as it looks to be.