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DC Comics - 8-C Batman

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Transcending said:
I fixed the broken links in the "Lady Shiva is comparable to Batman" part but not the entire page. I think that would need a whole remake.
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Hence why I would prefer if it was deleted so I could start from scratch. I could move that revision up in my plans and do it after my Black Cat revision, which is what I’m currently working on.
 
Okay. Perhaps you could Google search for the linked image names, find them that way, and upload them elsewhere?
 
Well, if you link to the page here, I suppose that I might be able to delete it then, but all of the other pages that currently link to it would also need to be updated afterwards.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, if you link to the page here, I suppose that I might be able to delete it then, but all of the other pages that currently link to it would also need to be updated afterwards.
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Cassandra Cain (Post-Flashpoint)

Cassandra Cain is the daughter of David Cain and Lady Shiva, two of the world's deadliest assassins. David trained Cassandra from a young age to be a human weapon. She was an experiment, designed to prove to Mother, David's superior, that trauma-induced mental desensitization could be achieved...
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Antvasima said:
Well, if you link to the page here, I suppose that I might be able to delete it then, but all of the other pages that currently link to it would also need to be updated afterwards.
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Transcending said:
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Cassandra Cain (Post-Flashpoint)

Cassandra Cain is the daughter of David Cain and Lady Shiva, two of the world's deadliest assassins. David trained Cassandra from a young age to be a human weapon. She was an experiment, designed to prove to Mother, David's superior, that trauma-induced mental desensitization could be achieved...
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@Dereck03 @Tllmbrg

Would you be willing to handle this please?

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To do list:

1: Add Batman's 9-A calcs to his "Feats" section
2: Change Post-Flashpoint speed to "Massively Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+"
3: Evaluate Owlman's calc
4: Find instances of the Flashes scaling to Weather Wizard
5: Add the fifth calc to Batman's page since that's an upgrade to his current calc
6: Discuss Joker's and Punchline's ratings again because the current calc is 2.7 times baseline and not 1.4
 
Dereck03 said:
I've deleted the page and update the links.
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Thank you very much for helping out.
Transcending said:
To do list:

1: Add Batman's 9-A calcs to his "Feats" section
2: Change Post-Flashpoint speed to "Massively Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+"
3: Evaluate Owlman's calc
4: Find instances of the Flashes scaling to Weather Wizard
5: Add the fifth calc to Batman's page since that's an upgrade to his current calc
6: Discuss Joker's and Punchline's ratings again because the current calc is 2.7 times baseline and not 1.4
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Are any members here who are able to apply the changes in a properly structured and well-explained manner willing to help out with applying this please?
 
None of this were done, so all of this, but that's pretty much it
Transcending said:
To do list:

1: Add Batman's 9-A calcs to his "Feats" section
2: Change Post-Flashpoint speed to "Massively Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+"
3: Evaluate Owlman's calc
4: Find instances of the Flashes scaling to Weather Wizard
5: Add the fifth calc to Batman's page since that's an upgrade to his current calc
6: Discuss Joker's and Punchline's ratings again because the current calc is 2.7 times baseline and not 1.4
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Transcending said:
Can't we scale Flash's durability to AP?
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Nah, unless we have an explicit statement that's how it works. We can't do that, for any media.

Or well, you can scale durability to AP via physical attacks due to third law, as if you punch with a certain amount of force, you also have to endure certain amount of force.

But in this situation, WW has a durability feat, WW's durability and his AP aren't inherently linked at all. We need Flash or someone, to physically harm WW via something so their basic physical AP scales to his physical durability, which is the calc, which is 8-C, which then comes back to Batman in a roundabout way.
Transcending said:
Can't we scale WW's AP to his Durability?
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As above, he could be a stonewall for all we know, unless he has feats that suggest otherwise like hurting himself physically or hurting someone who could hurt him physically, but if has feats that suggest otherwise or said examples, we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with and we'd just use those.
 
Transcending said:
To do list:

1: Add Batman's 9-A calcs to his "Feats" section
2: Change Post-Flashpoint speed to "Massively Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+"
3: Evaluate Owlman's calc
4: Find instances of the Flashes scaling to Weather Wizard
5: Add the fifth calc to Batman's page since that's an upgrade to his current calc
6: Discuss Joker's and Punchline's ratings again because the current calc is 2.7 times baseline and not 1.4
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Would any of you be willing to help out here please?
 
Anyway, can't we give the Flashes Unknown attack potency and other statistics when not using their speed? It seems more accurate.
 
I've gone through a bunch of WW appearances and so far nothing, obviously I haven't gone through all of them, and hell, maybe I missed one (I'm going by order of database listings, so it isn't in release order, more alphabetical).
But I've yet to find Flash punching the dude without speed amps, aka no scaling yet.

But in my opinion, it seems superfluous, while the feat is good for WW, and while it probably scales somehow, in someway, it's pointless for this thread.
Batman's 8-C has been applied to the profiles already. And while more feats will always be better, there is multiple other, likely even more solid options we can use instead that don't rely on a niche Flash villain that is quite a bit off from the general Batman mythos as scaling support for the tier, which imo is probably better off being used instead anyway.

Technically speaking, the thread has finished, though there's still a few clean up things we should do. Beyond that I'd recommended making a Batman (Rebirth/New 52/etc) discussion thread, and we can discuss new feats, calcs and potential future things like speed, extra LS, abilities, tech and so on there, so we can compile things neatly before making an appropriate CRT.
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Antvasima said:
So what do you all think about this?
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In terms of physical AP, I'm fine with it being Unknown. He probably has some 9-C to 9-B or higher feats if we looked hard enough, but matter of the fact is, he's so very rarely not utilizing speed to bolster himself to needed levels that there's almost nothing to use to make a consistent tier for him, they'd be just one off showings once in a blue moon.
 
Yes, that is my impression and intended point as well.
 
Chariot190 said:
Beyond that I'd recommended making a Batman (Rebirth/New 52/etc) discussion thread, and we can discuss new feats, calcs and potential future things like speed, extra LS, abilities, tech and so on there, so we can compile things neatly before making an appropriate CRT.
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A Batman discussion thread where we discuss everything related to Batman from all canons?


Antvasima said:
So what do you all think about this?
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Agree
 
Also Unknown for the mean time is fine ig, until we get more feats that is.

What about Wally's 8-A durability feats for his base self. Is that considered an outlier or...
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Yeah, also Wally is moving. We need to find feats far base Wally without powers
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I think that it is kind of pointless, as he is almost never in a powerless state. Unknown should be fine when completely at rest.
 
That sounds good to me at least.
 
If a consistent rating is found that's preferable but Unknown is fine I suppose
 
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