I literally haven’t seen a counter for 2-C HUMAN besides the fact that he can’t be 2-C or assuming we have a different justification for it besides the one we have in the op
Okay Krillin beating Gohan doesn’t matter according to you, but this isn’t our justification… for 2-C
Basically just check their top AP justifications most of them are listed as tier 4 for 2-C justifications iirc one of them even say they made 17 be “serious” and it’s still listed as tier 4
I ment that i don't know if there are any antifeats since i don't remember all the fights. But if there justification are for 2-C scaling then I agree unless a solid reason against it.
So far there have not been any actual counter arguments that bring up good points
I find this not logical since Super has proven that people train in different ways and it's clear characters get different gains when training and they all don't have the same training method. Your other argument works though.
But there is no good argument. That's why every single counter has been so thoroughly addressed.
It actually does though. Through training is literally either image training, ki training (the one Goku and Vegeta did), and just regular training (weights/sparring). Just because it shows different ways of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t give any increase to it which DBS has shown thoughout the series
Iirc, the moment base Gohan punched him in the stomach he was literally out of the spar within a few seconds. He 100% got 1 tapped unlike the others who got a good hit was still fighting
Tien was able to alert Goku of Piccolo's incoming attack immediately afterwards. He didn't attack anymore, no, but the fight was already almost over to begin with and Tien himself didn't seem so horribly compromised afterwards
Tien also should be 2-C tbh, below Krillin for sure but so much so that he remains High 4-C? Nah
Facts but that should probably be for another crt
Do u have a video for this? I just remember him getting folded instantly
No it doesn't. I'm specifically refering to gains. Your saying Tien trained all the time and still got one shot. I'm saying that just because Tien didn't get more powerful with all that training, It can't be compared to another characters training as Super has shown us that characters who have done less have gotten bigger gains in a short time. The effect of training varies in Super and that's a fact.
it was not a one tap, he got punched in the gut, and was still able to get up with no visible damage, and was still able to charge up a tri beam which gohan was actually worried about, so much that he had to interrupt his fight we got to disrupt tien, he then got double axe handled into the ground and still got back up.
Very solid points. Ngl
That’s cool and all but he’s gonna go against stronger opponents so he wants people to not hold back. That doesn’t mean that Krillin can go toe to toe
I honestly don’t remember this. I’ll watch a video on it but let’s not forget that Goku as usual tends to hold back to gauge someone and the purpose of the spar was for Krillin to be ready for all types of strong opponents (which he only did well with tactics)
Well yeah fighters can do that. Goku is fighting on Krillins lvl
Except they're never shown doing that. Whenever they hold back a ton, it shows, as they visibly do not exert much effort when doing so. Take Beerus for example. When he "fought" SSJ3 Goku, he was effortlessly dealing with him and that showed in how he acted
It means that Goku is not going to withhold infinite levels of strength from him. Goku is lightyears above his own SSJG form of the BoGs arc
No that would just mean they got good endurance and stamina. Krillin couldn’t even actually dmg Goku at all even in base
I like how these arguments are from things we aren’t arguing but since you ask Goku got cut by Krillin’s destructo disc and was struggling to dodge them and had to overpower many of Krillin’s attack that were gonna send him out of bounds by turning SSJ and was visibly struggling in base
^ This
I’m literally not. I honestly forgot all about Shosa and being unharmed by an attack is Durability
You do know that because of how Ki works (as accepted on-site), AP = Durability right?
I can see destructo disk being 2-C yeah but again Krillin was only keeping up because of tactics, not actually hurting Goku (unless with his special move)
A straight-up blast forced Goku to turn Super Saiyan though...
Don’t know about hurt since the moment he was about to fall off that rock he looked fine and he had his guard down (he couldn’t see cause of the technique)
I would most definitely say hurt though, he was recoiling in pain. And in that same vein, Krillin would've been "unharmed" by Gohan's own punches
That’s not right there honestly doesn’t make sense since he was only being pushed by (taking no dmg at all) and only turned SSJ because he was about to go out of bounds and to get rid of the blast
