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Yes after Gohan decided to actually take Krillin seriously when the former told him to
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DBS ToP Upgrades and Revisions
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Even if you're correct on everything here...
There's a bunch of 2-C durability feats that not only can't be ignored, but would also scale to his AP due to how Ki works
There's a bunch of 2-C durability feats that not only can't be ignored, but would also scale to his AP due to how Ki works
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Yeah, Gohan attacked Krillin upon taking him seriously, and Krillin was fine taking serious punches from Gohan.
Blatantly 2-C
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He decided to take him seriously after giving him that 2 piece. Even if he decided to get serious with those 2 hits, Krillin went flying just like that
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Objectively wrong. Krillin telling Gohan to take him seriously is what set him off
...And he emerged from it just fine afterwards. This isn't a knock against his durability at all
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Doesent matter if you go flying from an attack. If you get back up with non serious injuries you almost always scale in durability
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This don't make any sense, so you're saying base goku couldn't stop the blast from pushing him off? You literally just conceded that krillin overpowered base goku
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He took no dmg thoughThis don't make any sense, so you're saying base goku couldn't stop the blast from pushing him off? You literally just conceded that krillin overpowered base goku
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This is true. By saying Krillin's blast was pushing Base Goku back, you're conceding that his blast was overwhelming himThis don't make any sense, so you're saying base goku couldn't stop the blast from pushing him off? You literally just conceded that krillin overpowered base goku
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Because he went Super Saiyan to stop the blast. That simpleHe took no dmg though
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Real
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Ok then I’ll say this. If I smack my head on the wall and I didn’t hurt myself do I become wall lvl?
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Well, no, because Wall level is the energy needed to destroy a wall. You didn't destroy the wall by doing so.
Now if you did destroy the wall in the process, then yes you would be
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Dammit Dragon let me shit in peace! I could retort to that but I just want to get off this toilet
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Just the fact that he lasted that long against a SSJB Kamehameha was impressive.
Remember when Broly got wiped by SSJB Gogeta despite overpowering SSJ1 Gogeta?
In short, being somewhat inferior to a SSJB attack is by no means an anti-feat.
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I wouldn't use the SSB stuff, Goku was clearly holding back a lot and it's even officially stated that Goku used Super Saiyan Blue as a way to gauge and motivate the team members
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I would disagree with the ssjb stuff since Goku used SSJB because Krillin wouldn’t be able to sense god Ki and it raised the stakes of the battle
So he uses ssjb because they can’t sense the power from SSJB and the perfect Ki control
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Krillin should be relative to Base Goku and 18.
With Base Goku, Krillin actually nearly pushed Goku from the edge of the building they're fighting on (simulating ToP rules), and he had to go Super Saiyan.
With 18, Krillin can fight side by side with 18. 18 herself shouldn't be too far behind 17, and she survived a smack from Anilaza.
With Base Goku, Krillin actually nearly pushed Goku from the edge of the building they're fighting on (simulating ToP rules), and he had to go Super Saiyan.
With 18, Krillin can fight side by side with 18. 18 herself shouldn't be too far behind 17, and she survived a smack from Anilaza.
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Still took no dmg. No dmg >>>>>>> pushing someone
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You keep hyperfocusing on one small thing or another that may be an "anti-feat" if you really tried hard enough to make it that way, but in doing so, you ignore the big picture of there being tons of feats for Krillin that put him at 2-C
Many of which have not actually been properly addressed
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Goku had to block the attack lmao, showing that it will hurt Goku somewhat. If that attack isn't 2-C he could just tank that attack by breathing.
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Hold on is this whole discussion based on if this is an anti feat or not? Or are we ignoring the other blatant 2-C feats?
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Remember, 2-C XU has an infinite gap between "baseline" and 2-C (X+1)U. Two characters can be in this same tier and still have an enormous power difference to the point where one can stomp the other by breathing.
Baseline 2-C 6U = x
BoG SSG Goku = 1x (he did the feat with Beerus)
Base Goku post BoG = 100x (His base form negated an attack that was made by him in SS and Beerus)
Base Goku post Hit-rematch = 1000x (Goku overpowered Hit without Kaioken x10 which he needed back in the U6 Arc)
Base Goku early ToP = 50000x (SSG Goku is relative to Hit in ToP. Bulldozed an attack in SSB which Hit considered to be dangerous.)
You'd have to prove Krillin is vastly over 50000x weaker than Base Goku to get him out of 2-C 6U.
Baseline 2-C 6U = x
BoG SSG Goku = 1x (he did the feat with Beerus)
Base Goku post BoG = 100x (His base form negated an attack that was made by him in SS and Beerus)
Base Goku post Hit-rematch = 1000x (Goku overpowered Hit without Kaioken x10 which he needed back in the U6 Arc)
Base Goku early ToP = 50000x (SSG Goku is relative to Hit in ToP. Bulldozed an attack in SSB which Hit considered to be dangerous.)
You'd have to prove Krillin is vastly over 50000x weaker than Base Goku to get him out of 2-C 6U.
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If he was forced to use SSJ to disperse the attack then that means he was straight up overpowered, if he’s infinitely superior to Krillin in base then he would have powered up in his base form.
Krillin scaling to 18 is literally accepted on this site, 18 is now 2-C and Krillin should be too. There’s nothing to argue here.
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Damage is not everything
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As I said beforehand. I can see Desturcto Disk being 2C but Krillin outright even when the only really good feat is catching someone off guard and being able to push someone but there’s no dmg doesn’t sit well with me. Like I can move a car when I’m inside by bouncing around but my ass can’t put a hole in it with punches and kicks
But if y’all are too keen on it then who am I to stop yaall the ones who disagreed left me to be fed to the wolves
But if y’all are too keen on it then who am I to stop ya
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If Destructo Disk was 2-C then Krillin would HAVE to be for being able to even use a single ounce of 2-C energy. It's not the same situation as if it was in same dimensional tier.
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Krillin even swapped hands with 18 and claimed she wasn't pulling her punches. This was a fight for money btw in which both were trying to win for a prize. If Krillin knew he was infinitely weaker than 18 why even fight her lol
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Hey there’s a big power difference between DBZ and DBS
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Goku didn’t need SSJ, he was holding back, and his spars with Gohan showcases very hard evidence of even his previous SS1 showings vs everyone else not being remotely close to his full power
SS1 Goku (casual sparring ) = Gohan SS1 ( pre Ultimate re unlock)
Gohan SS2>Gohan SS1 > Base Gohan > Krillin
Ultímate Gohan (re-awakened pre AD)< SS2 Goku ( actually unequivocally not holding back)
Ultímate Gohan ( post AD) = SSB Goku
The scaling becomes very wonky if you scale Gohan SS1 to be on par with Goku SS1 without the latter holding back as he wouldn’t have gotten slapped by SS2 Goku having a form that surpasses SS2 as a boost bare minimum, it is not until after he ADs as Ultimate that he outright surpasses Gokus non-godly forms and Krillin scales below his base pre Piccolo training and pre AD.
Characters can restrict their power and get hurt/tired when operating at lower levels, as if Goku getting scratched by a bullet and almost killed by grunt lasers wasn’t evidence enough, Cell showcases this as well in his fight vs MSS1 Goku, having held back the entire time he still needed a senzu to restore his power to max.
Its fine if you want to make him 2-C ,but his scaling places him nowhere near Goku/ current Saiyans at any form when actually broken down and analyzed being very generous here his best showings only put him as post BoG base Saiyan level.
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Claims require evidence. Krillin is aware of Goku’s strength, Goku is aware of his own power. Prove base Goku could have overpowered this attack. Narratively it holds no merit for Goku to go SSJ if he didn’t need it. No one is saying he scales to SSJ Goku, we’re asserting he’s relative to base Goku, which is quite literally shown.
No one is scaling Krillin to ssj.
No one is scaling Krillin to Gohan.
NO ONE IS SCALING KRILLIN TO SSJ OR ANYTHING, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
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Why is nobody addressing anything actually proposed in the OP?
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^ Literally the op is full of atleast one 2-C feat for each character and people are mentioning things we don’t have in the op either
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Goku needs SSJ vs Krillin = Krillin is stronger than base in Goku and Gohan prior to his training with Piccolo which is wrong, Goku goes SSB when he clearly doesn’t need to vs krillin and demonstrably held back against Gohan with SS1 earlier the latter only truly being relative to Gokus forms after training, far more believable to say Goku held back against krillin given his narrative tendency to hold back all the time even against serious threats such as black.Claims require evidence. Krillin is aware of Goku’s strength, Goku is aware of his own power. Prove base Goku could have overpowered this attack. Narratively it holds no merit for Goku to go SSJ if he didn’t need it. No one is saying he scales to SSJ Goku, we’re asserting he’s relative to base Goku, which is quite literally shown.
No one is scaling Krillin to ssj.
No one is scaling Krillin to Gohan.
NO ONE IS SCALING KRILLIN TO SSJ OR ANYTHING, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
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And I ask again, disprove the notion. As far as I’m concerned, nothing is contradicted. And there’s more than one piece of evidence, why do you refuse to address the rest?
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AguilaR's counterpoints are pretty much just headcanon if I'm being honest...
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