DBS Possible Resistance Scaling

[Golden_Void]

Resistance to EE for anyone that's >= Base Goku

Resistance to AZ for anyone that's >= SSJ Vegeta

Resistance to time stop for anyone that's >= Hit

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wasn't this blatently rejected though?

 

[Mania568]

id give thought to the time stop thing as goku overpowered hit's current capacities to control time, thus it was raw strenght that did it (for the few who contested that kaioken itself gave the resistance, thats not how kaioken works, its just a boost to whatever already is there), the first one i dont think so, the second whats AZ also seems somewhat scaleable but there was a thread about it and was reject, following to see where this goes.

 

[HrishikeshM]

limited resistance to transmutation for anyone > dbz vegito?

 

[Golden_Void]

Wasn't this blatently rejected though?

No

@Mania

1. It still works, but being stronger makes it highly ineffective

2. Vegeta charging up literally busted it

@HrishikeshM

Buu only did it to one non-fodder person (Vegito), and we don't know if he actually resisted it, or allowed it.

 

[HrishikeshM]

but unlike krillin and the other fodders, vegito did not lose his strength or soul or anything...so that should be qualified as "limited" resistance.

 

[Golden_Void]

Vegito's profile should be limited then, but my statement about it above still stands.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Limited existence erasure I'm fine with .

Vegeta yeah obviously .

Actually not to keen on that . Even Goku isbt completely resistant and Jiren was effected by time cage .

 

[Mania568]

im not saying i dont agree, im saying it was already debated and thread closed with no changes, though some of your points make more sense than the others, EE is very iffy situation on this site overall with no proof other than powerscaling, the other 2 points i agree to certain degrees, more feedback will tell what other people think of it

 

[Golden_Void]

Limited existence erasure I'm fine with .
Vegeta yeah obviously .

Actually not to keen on that . Even Goku isbt completely resistant and Jiren was effected by time cage .

"and Time Stop as SSBKKx10 (Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until the latter powered up"


@Mania

Resistance to EE is from energy of Destruction

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Yeah but Goku noted he could overcome the 0.5 second time skip. He specifically noted that time frame . Of course it mnay be higher now but that was the length he stated he could move for , then hit time stopped him anyway and he also time stopped jiren barely .

If be fine with limited resistance but nothing more . Limited erasure and explicit absolute zero are fine .

 

[Golden_Void]

I just realized...why do we say limited resistance to x.., when all resistances are limited unless its an immunity ?

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I honestly don't know man .

 

[The_Everlasting]

Limited Resistance means they can only resist it within a certain capacity.

Goku, for instance, resisted the Energy of Destruction briefly but would've been killed by it if Beerus didn't step in.

 

[Golden_Void]

Doesn't that still classify as just resistance? I'd assume it wouldn't be limited if he transformed.

 

[AKM sama]

I'll just give my views on this even if they don't matter much lol

1. As the feat suggested, base Goku was struggling to resist EE while True Golden Frieza did it relatively very easily. So it does suggest that it is linked with power and anyone above base Goku would have replicated the feat under those circumstances. And that's why OBD decided to give others resistance to EE too. But that doesn't mean anyone above base Goku or even True Golden Frieza can resist Zeno's EE. Like I said in that other staff thread, every hax has a limit and it should be established everytime. Similarly one can't say Vegeta wil be affected by a 8-C's EE if the 8-C has never shown to do it on a 3-A. I know it makes things very complicated, but that's how it is.

2. As Absolute Zero is a fixed quantity and it can't vary from user to user, I strongly agree with this point. I can't imagine a scenario where Hyssop attacks both Goku and Vegeta, and while Goku cries in pain and dies, Vegeta stands there laughing and saying "HAHAHA, I resisted Absolute Zero because I have the royal blood. I am the prince of all saiyans!!!". Seriously, Absolute Zero affects the target only physically. So if Vegeta being at a certain physical calibre can lolnope its effects, anyone who is physically as capable as Vegeta should be able to do it too.

3. It is true that Goku resisted Hit's time stop just by powering up, but then Hit affected Goku again by powering up himself. My opinion about this is same as 1.

4. I would also like to add a point which HrishikeshM brought up. Buu successfully transmuted everyone who were considered fodder, but when he tried to transmute someone like Vegito, he failed...somewhat. This insinuates that if Buu did it on anyone of Vegito's level, same thing would've happened. Again, I can't imagine a scenario where Buu turns both DBZ Vegito and Beerus into candies and while Vegito mauls Buu, Beerus gets eaten.

 

[Golden_Void]

Regarding 1, it depends on the application of the EE. Some are ki blasts while others negate durability with seemingly no ki involved.

 

[AntCanadaIsYourTrueGodNow]

I agree with all of these tbh. It would make no sense for someone like base goku to counter that energy of destruction but then grand preist or zeno to get one shoted by it, and that example applys to all of these. Also iirc goku countered the time skip with sheer power alone. So if anything, atleast resistance to time stop should be added to people stronger than ssgss goku kx10.

 

[Therefir]

*snip*

I agree 100% with this.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

No

That was days ago though, which since then there seems to be some disagreement with it IIRC.

Also, since it keeps being brought up, Im having issues with the reasoning "makes no sense for Character X to be effected if Character Y can't." Like Zen'o or GP and Goku and Vegeta. While it makes sense at first glance, there's one very crucial fact that needs to be considered too. If any weaker DB character with hax tried using it against vastly superior ones, they;d get immediately killed. So what is stopping us from saying the superior ones lack the resistance but because of the sheer stat difference said hax would, like, never even be able to be used on them? And i'll give an example of this.

Take Beerus and Monster Carrot. While it does seem ridiculous to say Beerus can be turned into a carrot, what must be remembered is Beerus is literally superior to Monster Carrot in all stats by an infinite number of times. If M.C. was to ever try and use hax on Beerus, that would result in a fight between them. And if a fight were to come up, Beerus would curbstomp M.C. out of existence with 0 effort before M.C. could do a single thing. As such, we cannot just conclude it's silly to say Beerus cannot be effected by said transmutation when it can simply be Beerus is just so powerful M.C. would never be able to try and transform him. And unless we're saying Beerus is just going to stand there and let M.C. do that to him, you should see my point here. So while I do understand this reasoning, we at the same time should also consider the former too if nothing else.

 

[Warren_Valion]

"and Time Stop as SSBKKx10 (Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until the latter powered up"

Shouldn't this wording be updated?

SSBKKx10 Goku resisted Time Stop in the Universe 6 Arc, Goku later got over ten times (Rematch with Hit) stronger so he should be able to resist Time Stop in just Blue at this point, no?

 

[Golden_Void]

Shouldn't this wording be updated?

SSBKKx10 Goku resisted Time Stop in the Universe 6 Arc, Goku later got over ten times (Rematch with Hit) stronger so he should be able to resist Time Stop in just Blue at this point, no?

I think it's alright tbh.

@Kukui

If a fight broke out then it's a different story. But nothing suggests that Beerus wouldn't be extremely resistant by being powerful and a GoD. For example, Ginyu as a frog was able to body swap Tagoma, who is at minimum 56689634099723139035839676234201764158720000x stronger than him.

 

[Antvasima]

"AZ"?

 

[Therefir]

Absolute Zero.

 

[AguilaR101]

Characters do not need to have resistances in order to defeat weaker opponents, Angels for example could whoop the asses of their GoD's before they even got a chance to use Hakai, they don't necessarily have to be able to resist all of their techniques.

Unless there is a explicit relation shown between powerlevels and these resistances they should not be scaled.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Therefir]

Imao Hyssop can kill anyone, even Grand Priest, except Vegeta who has a super hidden ability that no one has that allow him to break absolute zero by powering up, make sense oVo.

 

[Kaltias]

GP is immune to Hyssop's AZ hax because it has no showings of affecting a tier 2. But unless there is a specific statement "he resisted because he is strong", no resistance scaling.

 

[Golden_Void]

Characters do not need to have resistances in order to defeat weaker opponents, Angels for example could whoop the asses of their GoD's before they even got a chance to use Hakai, they don't necessarily have to be able to resist all of their techniques.
Unless there is a explicit relation shown between powerlevels and these resistances they should not be scaled.

The argument "they'll die before they get to use the hax" is actually not an argument.

 

[Therefir]

*snip*

But there are relation, Goku use a techinique that just boost his power 10 times, allowing him to resist Hit's time stop, and Hyssop's absolute zero was broke by powering up.

 

[AguilaR101]

Being tier 2 should give resistances only to strictly physical hax which is what AZ falls under.

 

[Therefir]

But priest is a 3-D being with 4-D power, or that was changed?.

 

[Kaltias]

Only thing that everyone agreed with was that hax affecting the body is noped without showings of affecting a tier 2. It's more complicated when it comes to mind hax and similar

 

[AguilaR101]

If we assume that Hit's timeskip stops working on stronger opponents simply because they're strong we have to deal with the inconsistency of it taking effect near a God or in Zeno's presence.

 

[Golden_Void]

I don't think it doesn't work, just less effective. At least, that's how the manga describes it, and the anime shows it.

 

[Therefir]

Also, it make sense that beings equal or superior to base goku get resistance to EE, since golden frieza, who is vastly more powerful base than goku can overcome the EE, but base goku can't, meaning that was the difference in power that allows him to resist the EE.

 

[Kaltias]

Or it means that Golden Frieza resists EE?

That happens to be how resistances work.

 

[Therefir]

How you resist EE with struggling, Frieza certainly puts power in order to overcome the EE.

 

[Kaltias]

No? It means that your resistance isn't that good.

 

[Therefir]

So Goku ssj blue kaioken x20 wouldn't be able to get out the EE... No.