Darkseid vs. AncientWisemon

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

The fight takes place in the Digital World. They start 500 meters away from each other in a densely populated area. Just kidding, everywhere is empty and devoid of life.

Darkseid: 1 (The real cal howard)

AncientWisemo: 7 (Dragonmasterxyz, NickMatt94, RadicalMrR, Reppuzan, FateAlbane, Gargoyle One, The Wright Way)

Standard Battle Assumptions

This is Darkseid with his Post-Crisis Avatars. Not sure how it works, but 4-B Darkseid essentially. Speed is equalized. Who wins?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This is an interesting matchup to be honest. I will comment in more detail later. Leaning towards AWM for reasons I will state later.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm gonna sound like one of those guys but...

Omega Beams and done.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Pandora Dialogue is a thing Cal.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Legit, when has existence erasing Omega Beams been a thing? The description just makes it sound like disintegration.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You're acting like I know what that is... ovo

 

[The_Everlasting]

You're acting like I know what that is... ovo

Read Wisemon's attacks.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, existence erasing Omega Beams have always been a thing in DC, even since Pre-Crisis. And Darkseid can control them even after they leave his eyes. Playing them on a loop would be a detriment to AWM.

Also, that ability is pretty darn cheap ovo

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Cal

I'd like proof and not hearsay.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Ever

http://imgur.com/XfE8g7P

http://imgur.com/G3DzF8r

You are literally erased from existence / removed from reality.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Pandora Dialogue: Repeatedly preserves the opponent's attacks within space and time, then plays them back at high speed.

Pretty much he takes his attack and spams it back at high speed by conserving it in space-time.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Would that even work on a continuous beam?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Plus Wisemon's precog will help him here as he'd know to just keep Darkseid's Omega Beams in check.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yes because at this position point, the attack is his to control. So he would counter Darkseid's.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Matter Manipulation, Transmutation, Mind Control, Illusion Creation, Soul Manipulation

Not just Omega Beams to worry about.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Dragon, no, I mean it's still coming from Darkseid's eyes until Darkseid stops it, making it still his beam.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, DS is much stronger.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Precog, Transmutation, Power Nullification, Illusion Creation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Sealing, Summoning, Teleportation, etc are also things to worry about on Darkseid's end. Not to mention Dark Song and Duplication.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

In this fight AP means nothing. Also once Pandora Dialogue is in effect, the attack is now Wisemon's.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

And lastly, he is fighting someone who will always be countless steps ahead of him.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

For the record, I mostly named the things that would work on/be a threat to AWM (though I admit I forgot a few).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You're severely underestimating Darkseid's intelligence.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This is a close and interesting matchup in my honest opinion.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Oh, hear hear. I agree.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Oh trust me. I know he's smart. But Wisemon's known for being highly intelligent, even for Digimon Standards.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Also apparently this isn't Wisemon's true form...it exists in another dimension.....I missed that......

 

[Schnee_One]

How far above baseline 4B is Wisemon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

He is actually above the 154 FOE. Actually, we actually don't have a new legit value for Vademon's dimension....

 

[Schnee_One]

I know Darkseid is 115x above baseline Universal but I don't know what FOE that is.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

...you know Darkseid's true form is...eh, never mind

ovo

 

[Schnee_One]

2A I know, doesn't matter.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also apparently this isn't Wisemon's true form...it exists in another dimension.....I missed that......

I was talking about this, @Gar.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

inb4 AWM becomes the new Digimon craze...ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Anyway, to rebut your statement about AWM's intellect being > (however slight) Darkseid's, DC has levels of intellect, and each of them is impressive. The stuff that DC characters do with their intellect and the feats they accomplish dwarfs a large amount of things anyone in Digimon does short of Yggdrasil and Homeostasis (again, feat-wise). And Darkseid sits at the top of that.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Read Wisemon's Intellect section.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Stating to know everything there is to know sounds...nah. I don't wanna go through that again. But still, the high level intellects have feats above what's stated in that profile. Look at Lex or Brainiac.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

That's why nigh-omniscient is a thing. Basically this amounts to both have equal intellect. It is just that Wisemon's precog gives him a leg up here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mostly said all I did because you said AWM was countless steps ahead of Darkseid. Just wanted to be nitpicky and debunk that. Obviously, precog gives him an edge in combative knowledge, though being able to see things coming doesn't always mean you can plan around/avoid it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Except, the countless steps ahead wasn't going by intellect. You misunderstood. It was talking about precog. Plus Wisemon has the tools necessary to counter Darkseid's skills.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The main useful thing he has is the reflect barrier thing. It's not like Darkseid hasn't been hit by his own things before. Darkseid has more than enough to counter that as well, and will eventually catch on to precog. I don't see Wisemon countering a bunch of homing Omega Beams, Darkseid's strength advantage that's enough to considerably harm AWM in a single punch, along with all of his other hax. Precog gets you far, but not that far.