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Danny Phantom likely Massively FTL+ Upgrade?

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Let's try this again...

Pariah Dark's Speed Feat
Pariah Dark is without question is one of the most powerful ghosts in the entire series and has an actual Massively FTL+ feat that I've brought up before and I low-ball it to just Massively FTL to be safe but that's honestly just downplay so let's go over the feat again.

Feat and Timeframe
In the episode "Reign Storm", it is stated that Pariah Dark destroyed the ghosts homes in a single day.

Ember: He's only been free for a day and he's already destroyed our homes.

Danny: And that's without the ring.


Here is a link to the episode and you can find Ember's statement at 24:50

So Pariah Dark without any buffs was able to travel across the Ghost Zone which contain countless ghosts and destroyed their homes which is why they all fled to the Human World in the first place.

Distance
The exact distance Pariah Dark traveled is incalculable but that doesn't mean we don't have evidence to give us a workable distance. The ghosts in Danny Phantom are no contained in a single area of the Ghost Zone, we have a direct statement from Butch Hartman in his Ghost Zone Secrets video (3:40)

Butch Hartman: The Ghost Zone is this endless place of ectoplasm, holding a million ghost homes and now ghosts are spread far and wide across the Ghost Zone and Danny has only scratched the surface of this place during his time on Nickelodeon

So we have direct confirmation from the creator of the series that ghosts are spread far and wide throughout the Ghost Zone and we've barely seen much of it in the series which makes sense since it's endless and has infinite realms. Some ghosts have homes outside of the realms which consist of islands or buildings, however there are ghosts who have homes that reside in realms that are interplanetary to Interstellar in size.

Dorathea's home resides in a realm big enough to house a sun, King Duulaman's home resides in a realm big enough to house a sun, Poindexter's home resides in a realm big enough to house stars. There are many other realms that ghosts reside in but these are the largest known 3 while the others are unknown or small in size but there are realms ghosts reside in that house even more realms.

There are also many planets shown throughout the Ghost Zone as well and we've seen ghosts inhabit these areas of the Ghost Zone to. In the "Ultimate Enemy" episode we see Jazz throw the Booo-merang into the Ghost Zone in order to find Danny who's 10 years into the future. It flies in a single direction and passes by many planets as shown in the background. Then we get a 10 year later time-skip and we still see planets.

The Booo-merang then locks onto Danny energy and goes to his location and we see many planets in Danny's area with the other ghosts so he's in the same area as the Booo-merang. The number of planets is incalculable, we see many before the time-skip and after the time-skip and this is not including the 10 years we didn't see yet ghosts are shown and stated this far out into the Ghost Zone at bare minimum which means Pariah would have had to cross a large interplanetary and even Interstellar distance to reach every ghosts home in a single day which is Massively FTL+.

Multiplier
Due to the accepted 100x multiplier from the Ecto-Skeleton, base Danny Phantom would be 100x slower than Pariah Dark which means he'd be able to cross the same interplanetary/Interstellar distance as Pariah Dark in 100 days which is still Massively FTL+.

Danny Phantom's Speed Feat
Currently we have Danny's feat of him traveling from his portal to Pariah Keep and back as low end FTL but the distance is low balled and I'll explain why it's much higher by going over the feat again.

Feat and Timeframe
In the episode "Fright Night", Danny travels from his portal to Pariah's Keep in order to get the Fright Knight's sword. However before he leaves Dash states he has a 20 minute presentation for Lancer. Danny is able to go back home, travel to Pariah's Keep and back, then make it back to the haunted house before Lancer was finished with Dash's presentation. This doesn't include the fact that Danny took time to search through Pariah's Keep and grab the sword so 20 minutes is a solid timeframe.

Here is the episode, just start watching at 6:39 and end at. 11:05.

Distance
Like Pariah's feat we don't know the full distance but we have evidence that gives use a proof that it's a vast interplanetary distance at bare minimum.

As I showed previously, in the episode "The Ultimate Enemy", we see Jazz throw the Booo-merang into the Ghost Zone in order to find Danny who's 10 years into the future. It flies in a single direction and passes by many planets as shown in the background. Then we get a 10 year later time-skip and we still see planets.

Danny is then hit by the Booo-merang and Jazz's message tells him to go to Vlad and Danny reaches Vlad's portal in a short time. This is important because it is shown in the episode "Livin Large" that Vlad's portal is near Pariah's Keep. Danny then comments about the how far he is from his portal.

Danny: OK were am I? The Ghost King's castle, oh man I'm halfway across the Zone! I need speed

Here is the episode, start at 16:65 and end at 17:10.

This line indicates that Danny's portal is very far from Pariah's Keep given his statement. Yes "halfway" is hyperbolic since the Ghost Zone is endless/infinite but it's clear he's letting us know it's a great distance away. However as shown in the episode "The Ultimate Enemy" Danny was far out into the Ghost Zone with countless planets but easily managed to get to Vlad's portal in no time and didn't find the distance large but states blatantly expresses how far Pariah Keep and by extention Vlad's portal is from his portal.

And in both situations, Danny was in a hurry. It's pretty clear that the distance between Danny's portal and Pariah's Keep is far larger than just 10 planets away going by the countless shown in "The Ultimate Enemy" episode. This feat proves Danny being able to travel vast interplanetary distances in minutes and would be consistent with him being 100x slower than Pariah who's capable of traveling vast interplanetary to Interstellar distances in a day.

Vlad's Potential Speed Feat
In the final episode of the series "Phantom Planet", Vlad fails to turn the meteor intangible and with no were else to go, he flies off into space, after the Earth is save and a short time has passed (enough for them to have made statues for Danny across the planet), we see Vlad in outer space

We don't know how far out Vlad is but that's not the feat I'm talking about. Before Vlad gets hit by the meteor, he makes a statement.

Vlad: Actually, being a free roaming space nomad isn't half bad

Vlad leaves Earth because he can't go back and doesn't plan on going back, however Earth is the only hospitable planet in our Solar System and the Danny Phantom universe is our universe. Due to Vlad still needed sleep, food, water due to his stamina being tied to his human form, he'd need to make it to the closest planet that could sustain human life before reverting back to his human form which would be a few days at most.

This would require Vlad to either have FTL speeds at bare minimum since the closest star/planetary system to ours is Alpha Centauri which is 4.37 light years away from our solar system. Vlad's dialog shows he's not worried in the slightest about dying and believes he'd be capable of roaming space with no issue but in order for him to do this he'd need the speed to find a planet that he'd be able to survive on. This is consistent with the two interplanetary and Interstellar travel feats we got from Danny and Pariah.

Conclusion/Scaling
For Pariah we have a solid timeframe and a low balled distance and while we don't have a calc, we know he'd need Massively FTL+ speeds to destroy the ghost's homes since they are stated and shown to be spread out across a vast interplanetary distances at bare minimum and some reside within realms that are interstellar in size and we know Pariah Dark doesn't have sensing abilities so he would have had to search the realms entity in order to make sure he got them all.

Thanks to the accepted 100x multiplier, Danny himself down scales from this feat which means he'd be able to cross the same distance Pariah Dark did in 100 days which would still be Massively FTL. Add in Danny's own feat of traveling to Pariah's Keep in minutes which is a greater distance than what was shown in The Ultimate Enemy (uncountable amount of planets) interplanetary travel is consistent.

Finally Vlad's statement implies he would be capable of being a space traveler and had no fear of dying from starvation, dehydration and so on which means he'd believe himself capable of reaching the next hospitable planet before he dies of human issues, which is outside of our solar system and several light years away. Vlad only has a few days so unless we say he's lying about what he's capable of which isn't the case, I'd say its legit given it's consistency with the two other feats we have.

However, if some people find a straight up Massively FTL+ rating shacky I think "likely or possibly" could work. Only those who shown comparable to Danny, Vlad and Pariah while fully serious will scale.

Danny speed rating would look like this...

At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Comparable to other ghosts who can easily catch up to and keep up with the Specter Speeder which flew from Saturn to Earth in a short time, comparable to other ghosts who's attacks and move this fast), likely Massively FTL+ (Traveled to from the Fenton Ghost Portal to Pariah's Keep in minutes which is a vast interplanetary in distance, exactly 100 times slower than Pariah Dark who crossed interplanetary and Interstellar distances in a single day)

Pariah Dark's profile would look like this...

Speed: At least FTL (Exactly 100 times faster than base Danny Phantom who's comparable to other ghosts that can easily catch up to and keep up with the Specter Speeder which traveled from Saturn to Earth in a short time), likely Massively FTL+ (Crossed interplanetary and Interstellar distances in a single day while destroying all the ghosts homes, faster than Vlad Plasmius who believed himself to be fast enough to be able to travel across space from Earth to a planet that could sustain life in a short time)

Vlad's rating would look something like this...

Speed: At least Sub-Relativistic+ (Much faster than other ghosts who can easily catch up to and keep up with the Specter Speeder which traveled from Saturn to Earth in a short time), likely Massively FTL+ (Believed himself to be fast enough to be able to travel across space from Earth to a planet that could sustain life in a short time, much faster than Danny Phantom who is 100 times slower than Pariah Dark who traveled interplanetary and Interstellar distances in a single day)

As shown above we'll scale them to the lower end feats to be safe and give them a "likely Massively FTL+" rating.

Important Notes

1. The planets, moons, and stars seen in the Ghost Zone should be comparable in size to the ones in the normal universe as nothing suggests they aren't. Ghosts in the series aren't surprised in the slightest regarding the size of the earth or the moon and there are no statements that suggest the celestial bodies we see in the Ghost Zone are tiny. It is suppose to be another universe that goes hand in hand with the main universe so it wouldn't make sense for their planets and such to be small compared to ours.

2. We are currently discussing whether or not to accept the Ghost Ray to be actual light/lightspeed. Regardless of the outcome of that thread it has no bearing on this do to not many ghosts even using it and the likes of Vlad even consider it a "year one" technique. We've seen many times ghosts dodge the technique with ease and are only hit by it from behind, while fooling around or caught off guard. Case in point, in the episode "Claw of the Wild", Danny gets hit by a ghost ray after bragging but as soon as the ghost fires a second one, Danny not only dodges it but moved faster than it and he wasn't going all out either so even if the Ghost Ray gets accepted at lightspeed or not, it has no bearing on this thread.

3. In regards to this being an outlier, I'm gonna disagree, even if Pariah's feat was the only acceptable one it wouldn't be an outlier since it's the highest speed feat in the entire series done by arguably the strongest ghost and thanks to the accepted 100x multiplier we know Danny is 100x slower than him and Danny hasn't struggled to preform lesser feats throughout the series. It's pretty obvious ghosts can travel these large distances in short time-frames when they need to.
 
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Looks good, don’t see a reason for the low-end (of sub-rel) considering Vlad sees himself as a capable space-traveler. I assume their flight speed scaling to reactions and all is already accounted for in other threads?
 
Looks good, don’t see a reason for the low-end (of sub-rel) considering Vlad sees himself as a capable space-traveler. I assume their flight speed scaling to reactions and all is already accounted for in other threads?
The Sub-Relativistic+ low end is simply for safety purposes for those who think rating them outright Massively FTL+ without a calc is a problem.

As for the Flight Speed scaling, we had a small discussion about it when I first brought the Pariah Dark feat up. The characters do focus on aerial combat and we've seen them react to each other when they dart towards one another while flying. Ghosts mainly chase after each other by flying and the verse doesn't state their flying speed is beyond their combat or reaction speed. Going off our speed page under the "Flight Speed" section it states we assume the characters reaction speed are comparable to their flight speed unless implied or stated otherwise.
 
Certain speed ratings can be given without a calc if it’s really obvious that the result would be within the given tier such as in this case.
That's a fair point. I'm just being cautious but if people don't have a problem with straight up Massively FTL+ then I'm fine with it.
 
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