Ah imma be honest chief it's been a couple of days since I read it but I remember it being brought up so that's on me my bad
It's in direct reference to the device though. On its own, I agree that it shouldn't be used. However, pretty much all Sandevistan feats I'm picturing can easily reach the nanosecond range. It would just serve as a supplementary piece of evidence.
This.. @Naitodesu is really familiar with the og tabletop stuff so this is very relevant and valid with 2077 taking a lot from this with it's stat stuff
It's ridiculous you're even considering it as evidence. It's real life BEER with CYBERPUNK THEME, it's EXPLICITLY says:
Like, taking it to its furthest logical extent would only just mean that the beer itself would actually do this and not the Sandevistan cybernetic device itself unless we're out here drinking cybernetic implants. The description purely refers to the beer, and the fact that it's real-life beer and I have seen no one move at Relativistic speeds and reactions means this is just purely flavor text that shouldn't be taken at face value.
Which is fine tbh. I don't think everyone should scale to the feat calc'd for David since that's like David near his peak with enhancements and a military grade sandevistan to boot. Reflexes and other implants evidently also contribute to speed, and thus only high-tiers which David should be considered should scale ONLY with a Sandevistan. Low-Tiers or Mid-Tiers should scale off their own feats.
Supplementary evidence, a secondary evidence. It isn't at any point used as a main piece of evidence. It's like "Hey, on top of all these feats, there's also this drink that's a direct reference to the thing that is consistent with the actual thing". It's not "This scan means Sandevistan is uncontestably a nanosecond reaction timer enhancement".
I haven't calc'd em yet, but I already said above there's several other feats that look Sub-Rel to Relativistic above. Such as feats involving the railgun which I can likely see getting Massively Hypersonic off of dodging it alone, possibly getting higher with military grade sandevistan. There's two other bullet freezing feats in the Anime, and even something like David seeing blood falling at near statue speeds could give sub-rel results.
Is there's anything except the Game and the Anime?
Yes there are tabletop games that predate the game and anime taking place earlier on the timeline as well as comics
Just to be clear, the beer marketing statement can be dropped entirely, it doesn't really hurt anything. It just works as secondary/supplementary evidence for the other feats that seem relativistic from eye'ing them compared to the feat calc'd above. I can calc a few more of the feats tomorrow, but I can say that the Anime seems to offer a fair amount of feats that range from Massively Hypersonic+ to Relativistic. The game seems like it'll cap out at somewhere around Massively Hypersonic? I haven't seen all the feats from the game, so I couldn't quite tell ya tho. Only been casually binging them game recently.
Can we get much higher?
Our focus is currently on the canon timeline which goes:
Goodnight and thanks for the help today
The multiplier wouldn't be an outlier, no.
No, it does not. The beer ad can't be used at all.
If the answer to this question is no, then i would ask whether or not we could scale the samson body key for Adam to Blackhand. In terms of in game stats for
As I said before the guns being used are based off of SmartLink weapons. Bullets that move notably slower than chemical projectiles and actually curve around stuff.
Phoenks, what you're suggesting is that they're consistently over 50% the speed of light when triggering the Sandevistan. That literally just doesn't work with every other showings. It's just an outright outlier if you assume the calc is correct.
It varies. Objects in the background consistently move, guns fired in the Sandevistan time can be heard in slow motion in and can be heard cycling projectiles (meaning the hammer has cocked back and hit another bullet like with Adam Smasher) and there's stuff like wrist rockets and Maine being shown to move at relative motion.
Wow, they do forget that fiction is fiction and logic will always suck.
The issue is that while fiction is fiction inconsistency is inconsistency. The calc itself is inflated result wise and it's utterly inconsistent with not only other mediums but with itself.
You mean like yours when you pushed forward a beer ad as legitimate evidence for Cyberpunk speed?
We already got a calc that's class G for that so yeah you're right
Its right here
I wonder if that counts as calc stacking.
Technically wouldn't be calc stacking. It's all within the same exact scene, same feat, and doesn't deviate from it at all, it's basically just a normal calc with an extra step, like calcing the mass of something, and then calcing throwing that object in the same scene.
The force is getting a number from the size of the previous craters in Episode 9, which is why I mentioned it.
Hmm? What do you mean by "previous episode", you don't need any information past the scene itself to calc it. And looking at the blog, I don't think he's using anything in the calc that's from beyond the scene itself?
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The feat is taking the force from the previous episode and scaling Smasher to it.
Yeah I get that obviously, but the calc itself doesn't seem to be drawing anything from future episodes, which is what would make it actually calc stacking.
Because the force from the calc is based on the size of the crater. The crater Smasher was in was smaller than the calced craters.
Yeah I used the wrong terminology.
For a beer, not for the Sandevistan.
