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I'd say he's comparable in both strength and reflexes, not necessarily downright speed, he can react to Season 8 Flash without difficulties even though he can't run as fast as him
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CW Flash Revision
- Thread starter Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
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Yeah him not actually being able to run that fast that Ik I meant combat wise since he tagged Barry that's unless Barry was holding back tho (idk the context of their fight)
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Barry really had no reason to hold back, Despero was monstruously stronger than him physically, he endured pretty much everything Barry was throwing at him and was even able to find the real Flash when he created a clone to trick him without difficulties, he was trying to win
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Alrighty then got it
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To me, it just looks like Superman flew past Venus.
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It sure really looks like it is
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Hm want me to adjust the calc for that
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alright that's fine I'll get to it
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What's left to see for Flash now?
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I redid the calc but it's not under half the current value and I've tried checking but I'm not seeing anything I could've done wrong
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Ooh okay you're all good so then the value is fine?
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Okay thanks then yeah we should be good speedwise with that doesn't seem like we'll have to look any further into kryptonians other than potential AP feats
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Early seasons Supergirl wouldn't scale but she's pretty covered by scaling to Barry anyway
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Makes sense so seemingly all of them are just FTL by their later seasons
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Yeah but Superman would have presumably grown stronger over time too
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There's at least been no note of Superman growing stronger or faster than he was previously within the episodes of the 2 seasons of Superman and Lois(they both take place back to back as well so there's no chance of a arc where he grew stronger) at least not under normal circumstances so if he had grown stronger and faster prior it'd have had to happen along with Supergirl in her series and during crossovers that took place before hand
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Yeah that's what I mean
Technically the multiverse was reset by the Crisis but there'd be no reason for Clark to have had a change in strength
Technically the multiverse was reset by the Crisis but there'd be no reason for Clark to have had a change in strength
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Yeah diggle even makes an appearance in season 1 and he doesn't make note of any difference in strength and speed of Superman either sooo it seems like he's been the same
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Superman explicitly doesn't have the growth rate of Supergirl, or anything (whose growth rate isn't even that high to begin with).
In early Season 1, she can hardly use her powers, then can survive people who can fight him/survive falls that can harm him significantly. By late Season 2, she's equal or stronger than him.
In early Season 1, she can hardly use her powers, then can survive people who can fight him/survive falls that can harm him significantly. By late Season 2, she's equal or stronger than him.
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If that's the case as I said Superman's solar flare is somewhat coincidentally quite consistent with Overgirl's solar flare (scaling to Season 3 Supergirl) being able to destroy the Midwest, both in the Tier 6 range.
Also the Low 7-B Supergirl feat needs recalculating because 1. lifting feats are no longer a thing for AP 2. we're probably discarding statements in the Arrowverse
Also the Low 7-B Supergirl feat needs recalculating because 1. lifting feats are no longer a thing for AP 2. we're probably discarding statements in the Arrowverse
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What's Superman's solar flare feat?
Edit: I checked, it's a statement. And it's orders of magnitude higher than destroying the Midwest.
If we're discarding statements, wouldn't that be a tad iffy for Overgirl? Well, more than it already was.
Edit: I checked, it's a statement. And it's orders of magnitude higher than destroying the Midwest.
If we're discarding statements, wouldn't that be a tad iffy for Overgirl? Well, more than it already was.
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Ah yeah you're right damn it. Might want to calculate the explosion though I guess. Although the Sun's power output (which seems what the statement implies) is actually just Tier 6.
Anyway slight nerf for Season 1 Barry unless there are better feats: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...DinosaurFan/Flash_saves_a_speeding_train_(CW)
Anyway slight nerf for Season 1 Barry unless there are better feats: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...DinosaurFan/Flash_saves_a_speeding_train_(CW)
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The sun's power output per second is still about 3,500 times higher than destroying the Midwest (or at least from what I calculated). And that's assuming this was a kinetic explosion instead of a solar bomb of sorts.
I tried, and I actually got far lower results for melting concrete and vaporizing people from Steinbach (just outside the Midwest) to Chicago (1,289.9 km).
And this is from Overgirl, mind you. Overgirl was literally going supernova (using the exact same terminology as stars) because she absorbed far more solar energy than she could handle.
I tried, and I actually got far lower results for melting concrete and vaporizing people from Steinbach (just outside the Midwest) to Chicago (1,289.9 km).
And this is from Overgirl, mind you. Overgirl was literally going supernova (using the exact same terminology as stars) because she absorbed far more solar energy than she could handle.
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Super Low End seems more consistent, but it's not really correct in the Tiering.
Distance to the sun: 1.4857 × 10^11 m
Timeframe: 49.996s
Speed: 2973421926,910m/s, or 9,92c (FTL)
Might be the case with the other ends, but I don't really care about them as I believe the Super Low End is safer. You might want to double check with meters, the miles > mach > SoL conversion seems to be exaggerated.
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1. it's all done in mph so I didn't got by the meters measurements
2. math checks out according to spino and the SoL conversion was also fixed as per instructed in the calcs comments
3. Also last thing that I also noticed is that going by google gives you varying results with the distance from other celestial bodies as it updates live so at the time of my calc the distance given was different than what you've sent in meters although the results aren't that far off so I believe it's fine
92,303,000mi/49.996s = 6,646,280,000mph or Mach 8,662,253.67696 or 10.938c(FTL)
Again the math does check out
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It comes from superman and lois with him needing to output as much energy the sun does (assuming ofc per second) to use the eradicator to erase the Kryptonian consciousness from the smallville citizens
This ofc is something that leaves him drained for days and we've also gotten context that says the solar flare is something he's done before and he fully believes he can do just alone and has before in the past
You'd have to watch the episode for the as much energy as the sun statement because it's not necessarily in the clip
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Already found it.
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Ah okay I thought that was just in the context for Supergirl or rather overgirl, my bad
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But on whether or not to discard the superman statement all I can say is this
Considering the fact this show is pretty much almost wholly produced by HBO and not the CW or it's writers since it just airs to the CW, I'd say the whole thing about discarding statements probably can go out the window out the window for just this series specifically
It'd be like if we said we can't use CW statements but decided to fit amazons the boys into that because it started airing on the network suddenly even though it retained every other thing about it and didn't have any writers or directors from the CW working on it
Considering the fact this show is pretty much almost wholly produced by HBO and not the CW or it's writers since it just airs to the CW, I'd say the whole thing about discarding statements probably can go out the window out the window for just this series specifically
It'd be like if we said we can't use CW statements but decided to fit amazons the boys into that because it started airing on the network suddenly even though it retained every other thing about it and didn't have any writers or directors from the CW working on it
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It is, but like with Goku or Jaosn Voorhees it's noted as separate from general intelligence.
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Welp the intelligence page is surely outdated then since it doesn't even cover character fight IQ(not in full detail) and what the qualifications are for each of the ratings(combat wise ofc)but given his combat feats normally and while depoweded under the red sun would he qualify for gifted in combat?
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“When you and Iris willed them into existence”
Well affecting her affects the dimension as seen with Godspeed. Also this (0:55 mostly).
Was in the first clip of that post.
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That obviously refers to them just making the forces by accident, not that it was a literal act of will. The term is an expression.
Just logically, how would Barry even do anything when he didn't have the Speed Force until after the beam passed? Iris herself only had residue.
We see in the Season 3 Finale that she can still remain separate.
Ok.
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Maybe we should focus on what's left to do with the Flash and make another thread for Superman & Lois, especially since it felt like we were reaching some kind of conclusion for the first series (at least that's how I felt it)
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The power of
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Coming from the SF, I doubt it. Like they literally refer to Barry and Iris as mom and dad, you know children born out of love kind of thing.
No idea if he had his powers at that moment, he still had the Paragon of Love thing though. Also wasn't she mostly referring to the other Forces?
How so?
