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I’m not talking about his power of love thing, which should probably get a separate rating. I’m talking about the SF outright needing Barry’s power and having to trick him in order to get it.
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CW Flash Revision
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What?
No idea about the order of events here but from the little I saw the forces entered their bodies.
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If you mean Armageddon by the power of love thing, all he did was use the speed force to open a time portal with the time stone and an eradicator.
Can you give me more context for the trick?
It's weird, but they show the Speed Force harnessing all of them.
I don't know, they don't explain it very well.
The entire sub-dimensions?
Not sure how that makes sense when it still exists after Alex is erased from existence.
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No I mean him recreating the forces and amping the Spectre.
Eh order of events?
That seems to be the implication yes. Or they’re just an embodiment that can use the power of said dimensions. In each case they’re not like Barry.
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He recreated the speed force because the speed force is a fundamental aspect of the universe that was never gone to begin with.
- No, but the Speed Force is an elemental part of the universe, so theoretically…
- Theoretically it could have never disappeared.
IIRC, Barry's powers were brought to their absolute fullest when he did that.
Wot?
Can you give a smidgen of proof or at least an episode for me to watch?
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When did the SF harness their power?
Later then, I got most from clips + the wiki (pictures).
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Ngl, that just proves how genuinely unimpressive the Speed Force is (which is evident after Season 3), or that manifestation at least.
But they're not even manifestations.
See the colours on her? Those are all the other forces.
Ok. I'll wait.
But they're not even manifestations.
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I'm also a consistent superman and Lois watcher so if help there is needed I can do so
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That one FTL feat from Superman's brother won't be useful here, I suppose?
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I think power of love was involved too:
The clip I just gave and this one explains stuff, sorta.
She looked pretty impressive here. Also Godspeed was affecting all speedsters present by merely targeting Nora.
Isn't the different colors a thing back in season 3 or 4? Like the nuke scene.
They're called chosen avatars with whom they merged unnaturally.
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Those effects are just...bruh
Also, the idea to give a personnality to the Speed Force, a cosmic force, and focus the entire season on it being the villain because she sees Barry as their father and think they've abandon them is just plain dumb
Also, the idea to give a personnality to the Speed Force, a cosmic force, and focus the entire season on it being the villain because she sees Barry as their father and think they've abandon them is just plain dumb
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Ah right he did fly to the sun to do a sundip in like no time at all if that's what you're referring to I'll try to do a calc of it to see what it could yield
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Okay please calc members review this because I had to do this insanely wrong given the results as every version I did got MFTL+ or MFTL
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I'm going to add the frame by frame images later so don't worry about that
Morgan Edge flies to the Sun
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I'm going to add the frame by frame images later so don't worry about that
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I meant to add this before, but, well:
For both the Sun thing and the North Korea thing, we need evidence that they can fight as fast as they can fly.
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Idk about this sun thing because that's like way out there in speed but superman in the show has been shown to be able to fight while flying in many scenes I can send them
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If he can fight at high speeds then its fine.
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okay though should I still send some clips as examples
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2:08 although the fight is the full video
2:48
2:25
But yeah he can fly at high speeds while fighting as you see here
Also something to note is that Superman has been able to 1 shot fodder Kryptonians on a few occasions in the show
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Fight scenes in this show are just great
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Facts it's surprising it's even on the CW with the quality of the effects and writing
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I think it's produced by HBO Max, but airs on the CW, iirc
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Yep they budget it and everything
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I don't really know what you're talking about here.
Even if the power of love did have a hand in the creation, it was still a machine and Iris' connection that made it possible.
Also, elemental impurities gave birth to the forces. So, none of this was really Barry even if the power of love was somehow involved.
The context was that the created a device capable of wiping all traces of the other forces from anywhere in the continuum.
This shows that the speed force avatar outright exists apart from the speed force itself in a way, as the dimension exists without her being present in it.
She harnesses all of them when they first appear, IIRC. But I'll have to watch it again.
I'll take your word for it, I guess.
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Also just reminded me that the Kryptonians, Bizzaro, and Steel of Superman and Lois need profiles
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But it's honestly the defacto best show on that entire network. I can't even think of anything else, Arrowverse related or not, that holds a candle to it.
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Unironically the only other show that's at least decent in quality and effects just happens to be Stargirl and it still doesn't even come close to touching Superman and Lois to any degree
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True, but that's because Stargirl actually tries to put effort into its content, and I think that one's actually CW rather than HBO Max producing it.
In other news, who's ready to laugh at the Gotham Knights series the Batwoman writers are going to be doing?
In other news, who's ready to laugh at the Gotham Knights series the Batwoman writers are going to be doing?
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It is and I actually enjoyed season 1 of it, can't speak for season 2 since I haven't seen anything other than the first episode
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I still find it hilarious that she could withstand getting hit by a whole truck head on, explosions, and bullets because the suit is practically indestructible, yet she gets knocked the hecc out by Alice bonking her with a trumpet lol
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Plot just hits the skull different
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Anywho thoughts on this @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan and @ByAsura is it usable or not?Okay please calc members review this because I had to do this insanely wrong given the results as every version I did got MFTL+ or MFTL
Morgan Edge flies to the Sun
Edit: Oh nvm thanks I'll change it
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Also, why is the suit weak to Kryptonite? Does it have Kryptonian DNA? Is that why it's so invincible? What was that trumpet made of? Kryptonite? Was it irradiating red sunlight? Was it magically enhanced?
Also, in a later season, this same Batsuit is also apparently weak to redheads. And the character Mary is (more) insufferable.
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Wait whaa okay am I missing something I don't remember this
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Not an AP or speed thing but Superman's intelligence should definitely be more than just above average as he's showcased the ability to understand and speak fluently in many of Earth's languages and in Kryptonian. He's also extremely adept at combat and has fought and defeated and outskilled many highly trained combatants even while weakened under the effects of the red sun . Other than that there's definitely some more stuff like him understanding some (by TV standards) moderately advanced science but I'd have to watch or see if any of it qualifies but I think he deserves at least just gifted intelligence
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Knowing multiple languages is something an average person can do.
That's not an intelligence feat, those are skill feats.
Being able to understand/follow along with something doesn't require Superman to be gifted, just to know enough to understand what someone is saying.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we still have combat intelligence listed on the wiki?
And that's fair though I'd say it's more than just being able to follow since he'd also devised a working plan based off his understanding of said science but he's even shown to ability to do skillfully perform a sort of surgery with his heat vision that if done even a bit wrong would've killed the patient if that doesn't count towards his intelligence then welp yeah I'd suppose above average is what's best
Also there's another supporting feat to my calc in the latest episode of Superman and Lois where he flies his brother to sun at FTL speeds so it's pretty consistent that Kryptonians can for sure move at FTL speeds without any problems
I'll do a calc for it later
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I haven't watched anything this season but I'll ATTEMPT to watch this new episode
Also here's the Calc from this latest episode of Superman and Lois
Superman flies his brother to the sun
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FTL Seems to be the most consistent for Kryptonian's as of these two calc's so maybe that'd warrant something seeing as Despero is comparable to them unless that's just in strength alone
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