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CW Flash Revision

Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I keep on having my notifications gone for random threads for some reason.

How was this going?
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byasura said:
ok, i can't make it past episode 7 of season 6.

no more. none of that. i am finished with this """show"""".

but now i can amend the full list of calculations. i'll bold the feats that probably aren't just supporting evidence.

- turning the sand guy into glass.

- atom smasher barrels through concrete.

- barry's whirlpool feat from episode 15.

- oil tanker feat in magenta.

- vibrating a train.

- combined lightning feat from episode 21. (context for why that's somewhat impressive).

- tokamak’s energy blasts.

- iris makes a giant tidal wave after getting barry's powers.

- devoe's satellite size in episode 22/23.

- block makes a high-density low-pressure zone that extended over a 6-city block radius (i doubt this'll get anything higher than 8-a).

- nora makes a tidal wave off-screen in season 5 episode 6 (there's enough context to calculate this).

- nora travels at relatively high speed compared to microwave radiation in season 5 episode 18.

- f3 tornadoes are large building level+. so, as mentioned before, we already have that for rival.
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This assortment of feats had been calc'd

ByAsura said:
I've done some of the calculations.

Building level+ Tokamak (albeit probably a tad lower due to pixel scaling choices I had to make), whom Firestorm matches right after.

He could barely fly at this point, so I think it's safe to say Ronnie is superior.
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And I believe we're done with Kryptonians speedwise via my 2 calcs and any flash scaling
 
It's worth noting that the Dominator Invasion corresponds to early Season 2 of Supergirl, which is a little before she learns space-flight IIRC, and she's equal to Superman by the end of the season.

Also, I don't think we can scale their space-flight to reactions and combat speed.
 
Yeah I can see the Spaceflight just being movement speed (Shit I gotta make an Injustice thread about that huh?)
 
ByAsura said:
Also, I don't think we can scale their space-flight to reactions and combat speed.
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Idk about supergirl but superman has shown the ability to fly while fighting at high speeds
Dalesean027 said:

2:08 although the fight is the full video


2:48


2:25

But yeah he can fly at high speeds while fighting as you see here

Also something to note is that Superman has been able to 1 shot fodder Kryptonians on a few occasions in the show
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There's also a scene of him being catch up to and attack John Henry's spaceship while it's feeling earth in space
 
That's on Earth and under the influence of gravity.

It's very, very common for these FTL characters (especially Superman of all people) not to fly at anywhere near this speed on Earth.

As for the Steel feat, I'm pretty sure he'd just be flying at comparable or faster velocities to the ship. Is it going at superluminal speeds?
 
ByAsura said:
That's on Earth and under the influence of gravity.

It's very, very common for these FTL characters (especially Superman of all people) not to fly at anywhere near this speed on Earth.
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Hm well in that case there's still the MHS+ calc I did with him flying to North Korea though we can likely get another one from one of these clips
 
ByAsura said:
As for the Steel feat, I'm pretty sure he'd just be flying at comparable or faster velocities to the ship. Is it going at superluminal speeds?
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We don't get to see it's takeoff or trajectory just that while in spaceflight fleeing earth Superman was able to catch up to it and attack it

That said though the ship was able to pretty quickly get around the planet in no time though superman is fast enough to catch it even in atmosphere under earths gravity so ig in that case it could potentially follow those same FTL rules
 
I don't think we can say it's an FTL ship unless that's indicated in-universe.
 
ByAsura said:
I don't think we can say it's an FTL ship unless that's indicated in-universe.
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Alright that's fine as I said superman still caught it within Earth's gravity before so I'm not opposed to it

Not sure if we already have faster values for him or supergirl in atmosphere but if not this MHS+ North korea feat I posted here before could be evaluated to fit that part

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Superman Flies to North Korea

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I'll be heading out of town in a few hours so I won't be able to do anything calc wise for some days but that aside

Would we just scale his combat speed and reactions to this calc since we at least know from those clips he can absolutely fight while flying at high speeds in Earth's gravity
 
Bump any opinions on what I said above?


I'll also be in back home from being out of state in a few hours so if anything needs to be done calc wise
 
Dalesean027 said:
Bump any opinions on what I said above?


I'll also be in back home from being out of state in a few hours so if anything needs to be done calc wise
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I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but cw superman only seems to scale to supergirl in speed(who mostly scales to cw flash), so there definitely needs to be feats like that added. Like in the first episode, where he flies straight up into space in 4-5 seconds.
 
shansome said:
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but cw superman only seems to scale to supergirl in speed(who mostly scales to cw flash), so there definitely needs to be feats like that added. Like in the first episode, where he flies straight up into space in 4-5 seconds.
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I already have FTL calcs for him and edge with space flight so this MHS+ would scale to themselves while under gravity
 
Yeah, me neither, the only CW thing I'm following right now is Legacies (no, not because of hot girls like Lizzie since they've decided to introduce Greek mythology) even if new episodes of Flash have been released
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Yeah, me neither, the only CW thing I'm following right now is Legacies (no, not because of hot girls like Lizzie since they've decided to introduce Greek mythology) even if new episodes of Flash have been released
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Currently only following superman and lois since it's the only thing DC wise on there there that has any consistency and enjoyable viewing for me
 
Oh yeah, there's that

I'll admit, I also lost interest in it, I'm just following it from a distance on the arrowverse wiki and the tv tropes recap
 
Words of wisdom, wich is not completely positive. For as the Old Man on the Mountain said, in much wisdom, is much grief, and he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.
 
shansome said:
Yes, I'm caught up on The Flash. All 8 seasons of pain.
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Oh you're a true soldier is there anything outside of the Armageddon stuff that happened that could be used to scale season 8 flash higher? Any big feats AP wise
 
Dalesean027 said:
Oh you're a true soldier is there anything outside of the Armageddon stuff that happened that could be used to scale season 8 flash higher? Any big feats AP wise
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There is an antagonist named Despero; an alien 'Kalanorian' that is stated to have comparable durability/strength to a solar-powered Kryptonian along with other abilities like insane telepathy and this weird fire thing. He tanks a lot of attacks like nothing, but at the end of season 8, here Barry knocks him flying with his new electricity form. Later in the fight, Despero tries to crush him with a car, and Barry struggles and eventually succeeds in throwing him back with his electricity.
 
shansome said:
There is an antagonist named Despero; an alien 'Kalanorian' that is stated to have comparable durability/strength to a solar-powered Kryptonian along with other abilities like insane telepathy and this weird fire thing. He tanks a lot of attacks like nothing, but at the end of season 8, here Barry knocks him flying with his new electricity form. Later in the fight, Despero tries to crush him with a car, and Barry struggles and eventually succeeds in throwing him back with his electricity.
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Yeah we already have that scaling in mind here

ByAsura said:
Sort of.

New ratings (pending some calculations, obviously).

Attack Potency: Wall level physically, Large Building level+ with the Speed Force (Faster than Rival, who can generate F3 tornadoes). At least City Block level with amp (Severely injured Zoom, even after he added Barry's speed to his own) | Wall level physically. At least Large Building level+ with the Speed Force (Superior to his early Season 2 levels of speed. Consistently defeated the Rival) to at least City Block level (Appears to have regained his previous levels of speed by the Dominator Invasion. Increased his speed enormously throughout the Season) | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Destroyed DeVoe's satellite after he increased its mass a thousand-fold), Higher at full power (Curbstomed Cicada). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction (Comparable to Eobard Thawne) | Wall level physically, Small City level with the Speed Force (Increased his power significantly since his fight with the Reverse Flash. Fought and defeated Despero, who was stated to have power on par with Kryptonians. Contained the Flame of Py'tar, which would have destroyed Central City). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Comparable, though somewhat inferior, to the Reverse Flash). Continent level+ with Environmental Destruction (After disconnecting himself from the Speed Force, his wake placed immense pressure on the Earth's mantle, causing earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunami and melting the polar ice caps)

Speed: High Hypersonic, Massively Hypersonic+ after his amp | Relativistic, Higher after his amp (After increasing his speed naturally, he eventually outclassed Zoom even with Barry's speed) | Relativistic (Somewhat faster than his Season 2 self) to at least Relativistic (Outclassed Supergirl during the Dominator Invasion. Could keep up with Wally and Savitar by the end of the season; Julian Albert previously suggested that Barry would need to surpass his current speed by the same level that he eclipsed his early season 1 self) | FTL (Blitzed Wally. Moved so fast that lightning appeared to stand still. Lapped the world several times in quick succession), Higher at full power (Easily blitzed the Reverse Flash), far higher with Electricity Absorption (Managed to run across an entire corridor before DeVoe's portal closed, despite previously being unable to even approach it from a much shorter distance) | At least FTL (Significantly faster than before) | FTL

Durability: Wall level physically, Large Building level+ with Speed Force Aura (Can withstand his own lightning, which is generated from the energy he produces while running). At least City Block level with amp | Wall level physically. At least Large Building level+ to at least City Block level with the Speed Force | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force, Higher at full power | Wall level physically, Small City level with the Speed Force | Wall level physically, Large Town level+ with the Speed Force (Withstood a lightning blast from the Reverse Flash)

Key: Season 1 | Late Season 1/Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4-7 | Season 8 | Armageddon Timeline
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ByAsura said:
So I looked into the context. Spoilers, by the way, but who cares?

It's explained by Despero, Chester, Caitlin and Killer Frost that Barry's power has very recently undergone some sort of massive power boost. Keep this in mind for later.

Due to some manipulation by Thawne, Barry is afraid of destroying the world in the future. So he goes to Black Lightning to get his powers removed.

However, his connection to the Speed Force is only disrupted (Thawne says he's at '5%, maybe less'). In the new timeline Thawne creates (where Barry is Reverse Flash, and Thawne is the Flash), which has yet to solidify, Barry's almost comparable despite Thawne being unaffected enough to recall the version of events where Barry surpassed him.

Much like Reverse Flash getting his connection to the Speed Force severed after killing Barry's mother, Barry is also disconnected from it. In this timeline, it's also explained that he outputs negative tachyons.

Barry says he'd have to hit Mach 20 to open a time portal (via the time stone, not normally) with his reduced speed/connection, requiring 40,000 miles of space to accelerate. Since the Earth isn't a solid rock, the pressure Barry exerts on the mantle while running causes earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and heats the polar ice caps. He even claims that he'll have just 2 minutes to accelerate to Mach 20 before the planet is destroyed.

Ryan claims Barry's in the process of making an extinction level event, so while the entire globe was apparently in the process of 'tearing itself apart', I don't think this would blow up the Earth or anything.

Before the Reverse Flash can catch up to him (this takes a lot of time), Barry regains his connection to the Speed Force and opens a portal through the time stone.

Barry reveals the destruction Despero's saw in his version of the future was the wake created by him and Thawne, and that he can curtail this destruction now because his connection is restored.

So this scales to characters on par with Season 5 Barry/Reverse Flash under very specific circumstances. If we go by the Earthquake Power Chart, I wouldn't be surprised if this is maybe Continent level+.

Something of note as well, but Caitlin Despero (it's not clarified whether she's talking about his alien or human form) rivals Kryptonians in strength. Either way, he's consistently far stronger than the Flash to a pretty large degree until their final fight.

During this final fight, Despero is using the eternal flame to charge up levels of power comparable to an atomic bomb, which would destroy Central City. We do see a megajoule scale, but we get no actual numbers, so this isn't contradicted. The Flash is powerful enough to contain this with a vacuum (he's seen taking his own lightning bolts in this season, so he scales to it), but needs a reflective material to disperse it outwards into the atmosphere.
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We also went over kryptonians speed wise in the previous page and you can see my calcs there
 
Yeah you probably have most of his important feats then. The only other thing I can think of is when he carries hundreds of people out of two trains before the trains collide in 8x1
 
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