Culex Upgrade

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

That kinda supports the 2d aspect then.

 

[Ryukama]

I'm tired of nonstop having to repeat myself. I'm addressing all the points once more.

"The stuff about 2nd dimensional Culex is just a reference to Final Fantasy's games being 2-D and Mario's being 3-D."

• Non-sequitur. Just because the lore is making a clever little inside joke doesn't mean you can discard everything within it as being untrue. The narrative is blatant in Culex being 2-D. The narrative doesn't get negated by the sheer fact it's making a reference to something.

"Culex can fight 3rd dimensional beings and has 4th dimensional hax."

• This makes Culex a lower dimensional being with higher dimensional power. Not Tier 11 but still 2nd dimensional.

"The guidebook says Culex is a master of time and space."

• This vague little statement, while I don't doubt the legitamacy of, does not equate to Culex being able to destroy an entire universe and its space-time continuum in a single attack.

"Culex says he has power over all of creation/the Marioverse"

• Culex says he has the power to rule all of creation/the Marioverse. Not the power to warp, instantly destroy or create it. Ruling does not equate to those things. A dictator that rules over a country is not a countrybuster. Frieza is not a galaxybuster because he ruled a galaxy. So on and so forth.

• Culex lost to people who were nowhere near the most powerful characters in creation/the Marioverse. People who themselves are nowhere close to controlling all of creation/the Marioverse. So no he does not have power over creation/Marioverse since people who aren't even the strongest within creation/Mario verse nor have power over it are stronger than him

• Culex states that various powers within creation have "strength too much for him" and claims that he needs to "gain the power of the third dimension". So Culex himself states that things within creation are stronger than him and that he has yet to gain the power of something within creation. This would contradict the notion of him having power over all creation.
• Why do people choose to ignore every single blatant and explicit statement Culex says about being 2nd dimensional where nothing actually disproves it? Yet want to take another statement Culex says about himself that was thoroughly disproven and later admitted not to be true by Culex himself as 100% fact?

 

[Dark649]

I agree witgh Ryukama.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

I agree with Ryu here.

 

[Metal875]

@Dark: No, it was decided upon that people who move in a void without naturally being part of such an environment is wrong. Culex is naturally part of this environment, and states he's even feeding off of power from the dimensional rift.

@Ryu: I apologize for it being irritating to deal with, but I would like to share what I think of this, too.

1. Yet we would not consider references canon, would we? We do not say Wolf Link actually appeared in Breath of the Wild because you can summon him with an amiibo, nor do we say Dying Light is connected to Mario due to a small easter egg. This is the same thing, it's a reference to something that holds no importance to the actual story. Heck, Culex himself doesn't hold any importance in the story either.

2. I do not see how when these "lower dimensional statements" were references that we would otherwise discard, with him stating and being stated elsewhere to have powers in the 4-D range.

3. It supports other statements that imply such though.

4. Culex outright says he is those two things.

"I am formed from the supreme power. None in this world surpass me. Across time, from this world's beginning to its end, I am the inheritor of the ultimate of Two."

He's basically saying that he literally is time and creation across the entire world, which would make it an entire timeline.

5. Culex states he lost to an anesthetical reference and the power of love, which not even 2-B Super Dimentio could beat, thus, a Low 2-C should not beat, either. Mario beating Culex is a feat for him, not a negative feat for Culex. Yes, it's an outlier for Mario, but I'm just saying.

6. Again, he says he lost to an anesthetic reference and love, and the whole thing of him needing to "gain the power and fluctuations of the 3rd dimension" is a nod that 3-D games are superior to 2-D ones.

Now, you don't need to respond. This can be closed if you so choose. I'm just going to put my two cents, and I am not trying to force nor irritate you in any way.

 

[Ryukama]

1. So DLC and a crossversal easter egg is the equivalent of the lore constantly stating that Culex is 2nd dimensional, yet we have to discard all of that since it might be a reference to something else? No Culex is simply a second dimensional being. Him being a second dimensional being might be a reference to his a games being 2-D, but it doesn't mean he suddenly isn't second dimensional and all these statements are untrue.

2. Again, a lower dimensional being can have higher dimensional powers.

3 and 4. You're extrapolating and blowing super vague statements out of proportion. Again all these statements suggest is what we already know, he has control over space and time. Nothing suggests that he can instantly destroy an entire universe or worst yet that he is an actual living timeline. These are gross assumptions from little to support them.

"I am the ultimate inheritor of the Two" = This character is literally time itself and his being maniphests on a universal, 4th dimensional scale meaning that he's an actual living timeline? I'm sorry but that is an extremely highballed and presumptuous interpretation of a statement in my opinion.

5 and 6. And Culex not being able to defeat said powers proves he doesn't have control or power over all of creation. He is inferior to powers within creation and weaker than people that can't control all of creation, are not the strongest people in creation or ever come close to it.

Once more just because everything in the series that contradicts how powerful you believe this guy to be can be interpreted as a reference to something does not mean it's untrue. Culex within narrative says he needs to gain the power of the third dimension, meaning that his statement of having control over creation or your claim of being a literal living 4th dimensional space-time continuum are contradicted by his own other statements. These statements being references doesn't make them untrue.

Also one of my main points was that Culex's statement doesn't even imply he can warp or instantly destroy creation. "Ruling" is not synonymous with those things at all.

 

[Metal875]

You make decent points, so why don't we just agree to leave Culex as is?

Also, just wanna say, I don't "want" Culex to be this strong. I genuinely believe he is. But that's besides the point.

 

[Ryukama]

You want him to get upgraded to that level based upon what you believe. That's what I meant. Not that you don't geniunely think he is. But I saw that it could easily be seen wrongly so I edited it right before you responded. Sorry about the misunderstanding and articulating myself poorly.

 

[Paleomario66]

Alright, though we should still add Space-Time Manipulation to his profile, since nothing contradicts that.

 

[Metal875]

@Ryu: It's completely fine, bro. I understand.

@Paleo: Agreed. He should at least have that hax added to his profile.

 

[Ryukama]

@Metal Thanks

@Paleomario66 I'll add it.

 

[Paleomario66]

Cool! Then I guess we can close this thread then.

 

[Ryukama]

Sure thing.