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Supreme Arcthetype tho(Yog-sothoth)
So we actually plan on completely overhauling the verse in it's entiretyAlso, what do you mean by part 1?
Funnily enough, while CM gets upgraded to high 1-A, Shinza is getting downgraded to measly 1-A
That looks incredible. Congrats to Ovy7 and anyone else who worked on it.Also if anyone is interested in knowing what the revised Verse page will look like, here's a link to it.
Yeah Ovy set the ground work and presented the idea which was pretty based. He's the one who put the Outer Gods in there and used some good artwork for the pictures. I went and added the rest of verse and new artwork for each afterwards in preparation for this.That looks incredible. Congrats to Ovy7 and anyone else who worked on it.
Holy shit that's goodAlso if anyone is interested in knowing what the revised Verse page will look like, here's a link to it.
um, yes all the yes this is fantastic, it feels like the entirety of hp lovecraft works fitted and rolled into a neat and tidy pageAlso if anyone is interested in knowing what the revised Verse page will look like, here's a link to it.
Randolph Carter is safe, we just are still deciding on what to tier him as.Of course it was poor Ultima who was forced to make this thread, sad times smh.
Great job to everyone who worked on this. I suppose the rest of the 1-As not listed in OP will get the axe?
To add on to this, Abhoth in particular is also stated to be "coeval of the old gods who died when the Earth began." So, if anything, he's probably just a contemporary of the Great Old Ones.Something that needs to be addressed about this thread however.
We plan on deleting Ubbo-Sathla, and Abhoth
Ubbo-Sathla actually has no evidence of being an Outer God besides one mention of him alongside Yog, however this is extremely vague. His only notable association with the verse, is the fact he's progenitor to most species alive on earth. Theres really nothing aside from that which holds any weight when it comes to Ubbo, and anything else that points towards him being an OG is Expanded Universe.
As for Abhoth well... Honestly I have no clue why he's even listed as an Outer God, since he doesn't even reside in the Ultimate Void, he's literally in some random cave. We're going to get rid of his page as well for similar reasons. No actual evidence of him even being an outer god and isn't very noteworthy in verse.
Kek. Well to be fair he kinda is CM 682. Literal spawn of Yog SothothHoly shit that's goodalso, the dunwich horror looks like 682
I found the quote for this:To add on to this, Abhoth in particular is also stated to be "coeval of the old gods who died when the Earth began." So, if anything, he's probably just a contemporary of the Great Old Ones.
"I, who am Abhoth, the coeval of the oldest gods, consider that the Archetypes have shown a questionable taste in recommending you to me. After careful inspection, I fail to recognize you as one of my relatives or progeny; though I must admit that I was nearly deceived at first by certain biologic similarities. You are quite alien to my experience; and I do not care to endanger my digestion with untried articles of diet."
"However, it may be that the Archetypes can somehow dispose of you. At least you will be a novelty to them, since no example of contenporary human evolution has so far descended to their stratum. Therefore we shall put you under that highly urgent and imperative kind of hypnosis which, in the parlance of warlockry, is known as a geas. And, obeying the hypnosis, you will go down to the Cavern of the Archetypes..."
The region to which the magistrate of Commoriom was now conducted lay at some distance below the ophidian laboratories. The air of the gulfs and grottoes along his way began to increase markedly in warmth, and was moist and steamy as that of some equatorial fen. A primordial luminosity, such as might have dawned before the creation of any sun, seemed to surround and pervade everything.
All about him, in this thick and semi-aqueous light, the hunter discerned the rocks and fauna and vegetable forms of a crassly primitive world. These shapes were dim, uncertain, wavering, and were all composed of loosely organized elements. Even in this bizarre and more than doubtful terrain of the under-Earth, Raphtontis seemed wholly at home, and he flew on amid the sketchy plants and cloudy-looking boulders as if at no loss whatever in orienting himself. But Ralibar Vooz, in spite of the spell that stimulated and compelled him onward, had begun to feel a fatigue by no means unnatural in view of his prolonged and heroic itinerary. Also, he was much troubled by the elasticity of the ground, which sank beneath him at every step like an oversodded marsh, and seemed insubstantial to a quite alarming degree.
To his further disconcertion, he soon found that he had attracted the attention of a huge foggy monster with the rough outlines of a tyrannosaurus. This creature chased him amid the archetypal ferns and clubmosses; and overtaking him after five or six bounds, it proceeded to ingest him with the celerity of any latter-day saurian of the same species. Luckily, the ingestment was not permanent for the tyrannosaurus' body-plasm, though fairly opaque, was more astral than material; and Ralibar Vooz, protesting stoutly against his confinement in its maw, felt the dark walls give way before him and tumbled out on the ground. After its third attempt to devour him, the monster must have decided that he was inedible. It turned and went away with immense leapings in search of comestibles on its own plane of matter. Ralibar Vooz continued his progress through the Cavern of the Archetypes: a progress often delayed by the alimentary designs of crude, misty-stomached allosaurs, pterodactyls, pterandons, stegosaurs, and other carnivora of the prime.
At last, following his experience with a most persistent megalosaur, he beheld before him two entities of vaguely human outline. They were gigantic, with bodies almost globular in form, and they seemed to float rather than walk. Their features, though shadowy to the point of inchoateness, appeared to express aversion and hostility. They drew near to the Commorian, and he became aware that one of them was addressing him. The language used was wholly a matter of primitive vowel-sounds; but a meaning was forcibly, though indistinctly, conveyed:
"We, the originals of mankind, are dismayed by the sight of a copy so coarse and egregiously perverted from the true model. We disown you with sorrow and indignation. Your presence here is an unwarrantable intrusion; and it is obvious that you are not to be assimilated even by our most esurient dinosaurs. Therefore we put you under a geas: depart without delay from the Cavern of the Archetypes, and seek out the slimy gulf in which Abhoth, father and mother of all cosmic uncleanness, eternally carries on Its repugnant fission. We consider that you are fit only for Abhoth, which will perhaps mistake you for one of Its own progeny and devour you in accordance with the custom which It follows."
I'm pretty sure Cthulu will getting upgrade in part 2.I dont agree with this cause Cthulhu is not in this CRT!!
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Hmmm some Gods look like viruses rather than actual Gods in those pics you choosed.Yeah Ovy set the ground work and presented the idea which was pretty based. He's the one who put the Outer Gods in there and used some good artwork for the pictures. I went and added the rest of verse and new artwork for each afterwards in preparation for this.
I would say otherwise since it is a big big big tier jumpSo far it's 2-3 staff, some retired staff, over 15 members as well as essentially everyone who worked on the CRT. I think that may be enough but what do you guys think?
"look like viruses rather than actual gods"Hmmm some Gods look like viruses rather than actual Gods in those pics you choosed.
I personally prefer the some of the current pics.
How can they be abstract with forms beyond comprehension it they look like viruses?"look like viruses rather than actual gods"
Well I didn't actually choose the Outer God images, Ovy did. And I mean... The Outer Gods are meant to be abstract with forms beyond comprehension. I'd argue they are far more representative of the idea behind them, rather than the current pics we use on the verse page which IMO are quite generic by standards (The main offender being Azathoth's artwork because dear god it is awful)
Unless youre referring to the GOO's? In that case I don't know what you're talking about. Those are just black and white drawings of some of their more iconic depictions.
I'm not trouncing the quality of the art itself or the skills of the artist, i'm saying its extremely generic and doesn't work for an Azathoth depiction (which is a complaint numerous people had when it was also put on the profile, and it was changed back later due to the fact it wasn't representative)How can they be abstract with forms beyond comprehension it they look like viruses?
The New Azathoth pic is good, I clearly said SOME pics in my previous comment, also I didn't named which ones look not soo cool.
But talking about that even if the Azathtoth pic is likely not to representative (for someone like you), it stills a work of an artist that put all of his/her time and effort on it, and unless you can do something better, I think you should at least take into consideration the effort behind each pic even if you don't like.
I'm not alking about GOO's
Fair enough.I'm not trouncing the quality of the art itself or the skills of the artist, i'm saying its extremely generic and doesn't work for an Azathoth depiction (which is a complaint numerous people had when it was also put on the profile, and it was changed back later due to the fact it wasn't representative)
You saying they "look like viruses" is something I can't really say and i'm unsure how you're even getting that, in fact it almost sounds reductory in its notion and if you want to use me saying "this picture is bad" then I can say you're doing the same and disregarding the artist? But i'm not going to.
The picture we have for Yog Sothoth on the verse page is actually far more accurate than the one we have on the other verse page (Yog is described to be an arrangement of incomprehensible Orbs and Spheres, whereas our verse page just has him as a mound of tentacles for whatever reason), Nyarlathotep's picture is a reference to the Bloodtongue form which he takes, Azathoth is an abstract nucleus (He is the nuclear chaos at the center of infinity after all), etc. I don't see where the virus comparison comes from and even then, it doesn't matter.
Not really downgraded i'd say. Arguably stronger in his Supreme Archetype Key.Azathoth really do be getting the downgrade axe huh... R.I.P
Seriously tho, I agree with the OP. Congrats to all who participated in this
Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth both have the same Supreme Archetype key because of their equivalent positions and significance among the Outer Gods: Azzy being the nuclear chaos at the center of all infinity who rules and created existence and the Outer Gods, and Yog being all-encompassing and holding past, present, and future as well as the Ultimate Gate within himself. They are like the microcosm and the macrocosm, the point and the circle, the Atman and the Brahman, etc., with the Supreme Archetype being the Monad where these two are recognized as one and the same.Is he second to yog sothoth? Because from what I understand, yog sothoth is the peak of the verse as of now
So the archetypes and the supreme archetypes are basically stronger versions of the outer gods?So to give a rundown of the scaling in case you misunderstood
Ultimate Gods < Azathoth and Yog Sothoth < Archetypes < Supreme Archetype