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Composite Hollow's Vs Composite One Piece

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Since i'm bored and wanting to start some contested debates so i decided to create this thread.


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I'm not sure if that'll help. Most logia intangiblity is elemental
I didn't read the lille barro fight that maybe a argument for u being able to touch a logia though
 
I'm not sure if that'll help. Most logia intangiblity is elemental
I didn't read the lille barro fight that maybe a argument for u being able to touch a logia though
Soul Manipulation just inherently negates Elemental Intang most of the time since if the user of said Elemental Intang has a Soul that being with Soul Manipulation would just bypass the need to interact with the EI and just interact their Soul instead.

Also Lille Barro's Intang is above any-form of Intang in One Piece given it's Multi-Layered.

No Resistence to Transumutation means Sugar+Robin GG
Baraggan's passive Senescencia would just age the arms before they can turn Comp Hollow into a doll.
 
Logia intang is also layered as seen with Akainu.


Also Soul Manipulation really shouldn't be able to directly affect Elemental based Intang unless they have feats of affecting the soul of a fire and shit like that.
 
Logia intang is also layered as seen with Akainu.


Also Soul Manipulation really shouldn't be able to directly affect Elemental based Intang unless they have feats of affecting the soul of a fire and shit like that.
If Logia's Intang is layered then it's most likely layered "Elemental Intangibility" which again doesn't really help Comp OP given the fact that Comp Hollow can just bypass the need to interact with that intang and just destroy/consume their soul.

Why would that distinction need such feats of interaction? can you prove that Logia's posses a different Soul compared to other Souls, and even if they did why does that give them some-sort of inherent resistances towards Soul Manipulation?.
 
Bleach's Soul Manipulation requires you to physically interact with the opponent in order for them to Soul hax. If the Zanpakuto can't touch what it's trying to hit then in turn it cannot apply it's Soul hax.


Soul Manipulation via the Zanpakuto is basically useless, Soul Rip via Soul sucking however should still work given that works by absorbing the Soul directly.
 
Bleach's Soul Manipulation requires you to physically interact with the opponent in order for them to Soul hax. If the Zanpakuto can't touch what it's trying to hit then in turn it cannot apply it's Soul hax.
Yeah but not really, Elemental Intang doesn't negate that since their interacting with the "Soul" of their opponent rather then something physical like Fire or Ice and since One Piece's Souls have the same level of Intang as Pluses within Bleach their being interact with. Zanpakuto's don't have to "Physically" interact with someone for the Soul-Based effects of the Zan to damage that person's Soul, they can just interact with the Soul part of that being.

Also Comp Hollow has Gomuzi or whatever that ability Yammy has to just suck-up Comp OP's Soul as well.
Soul Manipulation via the Zanpakuto is basically useless, Soul Rip via Soul sucking however should still work given that works by absorbing the Soul directly.
Not really as i explained previously, Alright.
 
Yeah but not really, Elemental Intang doesn't negate that since their interacting with the "Soul" of their opponent rather then something physical like Fire or Ice and since One Piece's Souls have the same level of Intang as Pluses within Bleach their being interact with. Zanpakuto's don't have to "Physically" interact with someone for the Soul-Based effects of the Zan to damage that person's Soul, they can just interact with the Soul part of that being.
Zanpakuto do in fact need to physically interact with the opponent in order to Soul hax. They can only directly affect the soul because most of the time what they're attacking ARE the souls themselves. It's different whenever we have a vessel involved, and an intangible vessel at that.

Zanpakuto attacks haven't shown the ability to ignore the vessel and target the soul. They need to strike the opponent with the sword in order to Soul hax, which is impossible given that they can't really interact with elements as if they were a solid substance. It's a different form of intang that Shinigami haven't been shown to interact with.


Zanpakuto's have never affected the Soul from within a normal vessel.
 
Zanpakuto do in fact need to physically interact with the opponent in order to Soul hax. They can only directly affect the soul because most of the time what they're attacking ARE the souls themselves. It's different whenever we have a vessel involved, and an intangible vessel at that.

Zanpakuto attacks haven't shown the ability to ignore the vessel and target the soul. They need to strike the opponent with the sword in order to Soul hax, which is impossible given that they can't really interact with elements as if they were a solid substance. It's a different form of intang that Shinigami haven't been shown to interact with.


Zanpakuto's have never affected the Soul from within a normal vessel.
No they don't as proven by Acidwire's interaction with Orihime in where he just attacked Orihime's Soul rather then her Physical body which Zan's should be able to do the same since their just an extension of ones self and posses the same-level of Soul Interaction as basic hollows do like Acidwire.

Read my previous point for that argument and its counter.
 
Zanpakuto's have never affected the Soul from within a normal vessel.
😐. So do logia users ever shown resistance to soul manipulation?
Acidwire's interaction with Orihime in where he just attacked Orihime's Soul rather then her Physical body which Zan's should be able to do the same since their just an extension of ones self and posses the same-level of Soul Interaction as basic hollows do like Acidwire.
Ikr.

Anyway Ulquiora has BFR by caja negacion.
 
Proof? since on her profile it only stats she has "Potential Longevity" and not Immortality Type 1.

"Potential Longevity due to her Devil Fruit"
In verse she specifically has not aged since she ate her fruit (also the face that she only has potential longevity when superhumans in One piece can live longer then 140 years kinda annoys me)
 
The best of One Piee still can't harm the strongest espada considering the 6-A/High 6-A rating. This looks like a very obvious stomp from first glance.
 
In verse she specifically has not aged since she ate her fruit (also the face that she only has potential longevity when superhumans in One piece can live longer then 140 years kinda annoys me)
That... Doesn't mean she has Immortality Type 1. Hell Bleach characters like Hitsugaya (who's at least 100+ years old) look's like he hasn't aged one bit, that doesn't prove Immor Type 1 but rather Longevity which is rightfully indexed on her profile.
 
That... Doesn't mean she has Immortality Type 1. Hell Bleach characters like Hitsugaya (who's at least 100+ years old) look's like he hasn't aged one bit, that doesn't prove Immor Type 1 but rather Longevity which is rightfully indexed on her profile.
Sugar is immortal, as in non-aging. She doesn't have a long lifespan or anything. It flat out says:
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The fruit FREEZES ITS EATER IN TIME, NEVER TO AGE.


It doesn't get clearer than that.
 
Sugar is immortal, as in non-aging. She doesn't have a long lifespan or anything. It flat out says:
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The fruit FREEZES ITS EATER IN TIME, NEVER TO AGE.


It doesn't get clearer than that.
Then she should have Immortality Type 1, not "Potential Longevity".

Also i don't believe this really matters as unless you can prove that her Soul is Immortal her Soul get's aged since Barragan's Senescencia works on a Physical and Spiritual Level.
 
Then she should have Immortality Type 1, not "Potential Longevity".

Also i don't believe this really matters as unless you can prove that her Soul is Immortal her Soul get's aged since Barragan's Senescencia works on a Physical and Spiritual Level.
Souls don't age by default
Bleach is just weird with souls aging
 
No they don't? you don't just assume since their Souls they don't age, hell most Soul-Based characters on this Wiki don't even have Immortality Type 1 since it's something you have to prove is inherent to their Physiology.

it's not something that is assumed automatically.
The literal definition of a soul includes it being immortal
 
Then she should have Immortality Type 1, not "Potential Longevity".

Also i don't believe this really matters as unless you can prove that her Soul is Immortal her Soul get's aged since Barragan's Senescencia works on a Physical and Spiritual Level.
Then that's the fault of whoever made her profile. Unless they entirely missed that statement.

And souls in Bleach age. The fact that we saw Yamamoto as a soul younger, then now he's older, proves that souls have a lifespan. In Bleach souls eventually die and cycle back to the living realm to not overfill soul Society.
Souls in One Piece, as far as we know, function as regular souls and have no limit to their span. (We have a confirmed afterlife, but no reincarnations so far)
 
^^ Adding to that, we also know Zaraki aged. As a soul. ¨Many "Souls" in bleach function as just longer second lives, rather than actual otherworldly ethereal things.
It's proven even more so that they can effect the real world and can be interacted with by regular humans who are soul-sensitive enough to see them (Ichigo can interact with Shinigami Rukia)
Souls in Bleach are-- essentially just hidden bodies, really. Unless humans in Bleach are all capable of soul manip. As far as we know, humans can interact with Shinigami but not GHOSTS. Ghosts are intangible, while Shinigami are more dense as souls and qualify far less as spirits than the ones that are actually intangible.
They don't exist in the same realm as humans, but they're also not as spiritual as actual spirits. Ichigo could interact with Rukia, Chad could tag a hollow even when he didn't see it. They don't meet the criteria of regular spirits to be considered intangible or type 1 Immortal when the canon flat out shows otherwise.
They ARE Souls, but not. Blame Bleach lore
 
The literal definition of a soul includes it being immortal
The Wiki doesn't accepted that logic.

For an Example: Countless is an synonym for infinite, guess what? its not accepted as infinite on this Wiki. Words can have general definitions that are tied to them but when looked at within a "VS Debate" context the definition takes on an entirely different meaning. And Soul is one of those definitions, you have to prove that a soul is actually immortal or not.

Ask a mod if you don't believe me. If i'm wrong i'll concede on this point.

Then that's the fault of whoever made her profile. Unless they entirely missed that statement.

And souls in Bleach age. The fact that we saw Yamamoto as a soul younger, then now he's older, proves that souls have a lifespan. In Bleach souls eventually die and cycle back to the living realm to not overfill soul Society.
Souls in One Piece, as far as we know, function as regular souls and have no limit to their span. (We have a confirmed afterlife, but no reincarnations so far)
Yeah i agree.

I know? and "Regular" Souls aren't treated as having Type 1 Immortality on this Wiki (Though i could be wrong) so that's something you have to prove that they have such ability.
 
I know? and "Regular" Souls aren't treated as having Type 1 Immortality on this Wiki (Though i could be wrong) so that's something you have to prove that they have such ability.
By "Regular" I mean the general definition of a soul, not the wiki's standards. (How most fiction treats souls is that they're unaging eternal things that remain after the body)
We saw Brook's soul during his flashback ascending to-- what I assume is heaven. Which means the afterlife is more or less similiar in concept to what most people are familiar with.
Barragan's ability harms Shinigami and Hollow due to the density of their soul energy making them practically nigh-physical, therefore having a lifespan an eventual natural death (even if it takes a long time), but we saying it effects regular non-dense souls which are even by Bleach standards considered to be only interacted with and seen by seasoned Shinigami, is a no limits fallacy.

If Sugar is ageless, then his ability shouldn't make her "rapidly age."
On top of that- Soi Fon survived his ability because her arm was cut off, which implies CONTACT is needed to make that work. Doesn't that imply a logia is practically untouchable by it?
Even a paramecia like Katakuri was shown to shoot his arm out with Grilled Mochi and regrow it via Mochi (somehow), which gives him regenerative abilities. If he was caught with Respira, he'd just lose that limb then regrow it, because he's shown the ability to do so.
 
Homies are "Pieces of a Soul", not the whole thing.
Did i say they were the whole thing? Homies are made by extracting the someone's lifespan, so pieces of someone's soul = their lifespan, we even see that small pieces like the ones Tottoland citizens give as payment are just week-month of their lifespan, but when BM takes all the remaining time it's something much bigger (as we saw with Moscato) so soul = lifespan in OP.
 
Did i say they were the whole thing? Homies are made by extracting the someone's lifespan, so pieces of someone's soul = their lifespan, we even see that small pieces like the ones Tottoland citizens give as payment are just week-month of their lifespan, but when BM takes all the remaining time it's something much bigger (as we saw with Moscato) so soul = lifespan in OP.
Every source recognizes the LIFESPAN removal as "A fraction of a soul." That's more or less the limit of the body. It's similiar to egyptian mythsusing the spirit, shadow, body, etc as all pieces of the soul that creates a human. The term LIFESPAN itself suggests it's meant for how long the person has to LIVE, not how long their soul can continue existing afterwards.
Moscatto also got revived PHYSICALLY when Mont D'or ordered the Incarnations to gather every second of his lifespan back, even though he was fully dead. Using a shard of a soul as a reason to say the Soul isn't immortal is wrong. Lifespan is decided by the LIVING BODY, not the soul.
Hell, Big Mom's own homies have shown that being created of the Soru Soru doesn't mean you're full on a SOUL yourself, since we saw her grab Zeus, EXTRACT HIS LIFESPAN back into her, then he fizzled out.

Lifespan=/=Soul
You're literally trying to limit the soul's nature by applying the living body's limitations, when the canon itself calls the LIFESPAN bit as "Shard of the soul" every single time.
Yes, she interacts with the soul to take your lifespan out, but that doesn't take the entire soul, just the aspect of it that makes the body live for as long as it does. (That's why Homies don't age), and that's why Zeus' soul fragment needed to escape into an object to continue existing seperate from Big Mom herself. Big Mom didn't use her "lifespan" to create Zeus or Prometheus, but they're extensions of her soul. The fragments of lifespans used on other homies are made blatantly weaker as just fearing emotions such as fear would make them wither and die instantly.
Soul fragment=Lifespan=/= The full Soul
 
Comp One Piece should comfortably take this. They have hax that can easily one shot comp hollows. They have a barrier which can not be broken by comp hollows, then they can spawn hands on comp hollows that turn them into toys, or laundrey.
 
Comp One Piece should comfortably take this. They have hax that can easily one shot comp hollows. They have a barrier which can not be broken by comp hollows, then they can spawn hands on comp hollows that turn them into toys, or laundrey.
Btw can they stand attacks which bends space time.

Anyway Szeyalappro could come up with a plan that water drowns logia and drowns the verse 🥱.
 
Btw can they stand attacks which bends space time.
Haki passive resists space manip

Anyway Szeyalappro could come up with a plan that water drowns logia and drowns the verse 🥱.
Is prep time included in this? If anything One Piece has 2 characters who can see the future and allow the verse to conceivably come up with quicker plans due to that.

The entire verse feels like overkill. 6 to 8 characters from One Piece should comfortably neg them.
Throw in a lil' Bari Bari in there
Some Hobi Hobi spice
A certain Mirror witch and her biscuit brother
Katakuri, Doflamingo... Enel, and Kizaru. And the One Piece side does the shinigami job for them.
 
Haki passive resists space manip
Every fodder hollow has great space manipulation. They can cut thru space and move from one dimension to another or they can easily phase thru
Is prep time included in this? If anything One Piece has 2 characters who can see the future and allow the verse to conceivably come up with quicker plans due to that.
He keeps Everything ready. He would just observe how others fight and make plans. He can just go back to HM and ready something else.

He would definitely figure out water is haki users Weakness.
The entire verse feels like overkill. 6 to 8 characters from One Piece should comfortably neg them.
Throw in a lil' Bari Bari in there
Some Hobi Hobi spice
A certain Mirror witch and her biscuit brother
Katakuri, Doflamingo... Enel, and Kizaru. And the One Piece side does the shinigami job for them.
Btw can they even see hollows. Espadas can just fly in sky and attack from there. Barragan does do be aging most of the verse.
 
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