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Comic Garou vs Shadow the hedgehog

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Kachon123 said:
Having the appropriate gravitational pull for a black hole of its given size - Pulling in the entire ocean and country-sized City around him ✅
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This profile has more reasoning to be a Black Hole than Garou’s, being called a singularity, but isn’t a Black Hole by the Wiki’s standards.

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Black Hole (Battle for Dream Island)

And that's how you prevent death! Simple as that.Black Hole Black Hole is a contestant from the Battle for Dream Island series, debuting as a contestant during the fourth season, Battle for BFDI. He is a humble, living black hole who originally was the size of Earth only to have his body crushed...
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ElixirBlue said:
This profile has more reasoning to be a Black Hole than Garou’s, being called a singularity, but isn’t a Black Hole by the Wiki’s standards.

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Black Hole (Battle for Dream Island)

And that's how you prevent death! Simple as that.Black Hole Black Hole is a contestant from the Battle for Dream Island series, debuting as a contestant during the fourth season, Battle for BFDI. He is a humble, living black hole who originally was the size of Earth only to have his body crushed...
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Why are you arguing against what was accepted? Make a damn CRT, but as of right now, Garou's regen instantly crushes Shadow due to him having passive 80,000 mSv lowball and 83600000000000 mSv realistically, while Shadow doesn't have resistance on that level.
 
Kachon123 said:
1. The statement needs to be reliable - Stated by the Omniscient Narrator to be a GRB, which have Black Holes in the center ✅
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Statements also need to be backed up by feats from the manga, which sadly the manga don't provide
Kachon123 said:
2. Having the appropriate gravitational pull for a black hole of its given size - Pulling in the entire ocean and country-sized City around him ✅
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You realize that a Black Hole this big would realistically suck the entire planet in mere seconds??? Pulling water in the oceans isn't nearly enough for it to have the sufficent gravitational pull to be considered real. Even a Black Hole the size of a penny have gravity trillion trillion times greater than Earth, and would pull the planet to pieces in seconds
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3. Displays Hawking Radiation - We see the radiation emitting from the Black Hole in the center. ✅
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With Light escaping THROUGH the event horizon??? Yeah that's just makes it even worse. Also Hawking Radiation doesn't work like that at all
 
The match needs to be put on hold until that CRT is settled, as it deals with something that gives Garou his 5-A in the first place.
 
Anyway, Elixir's rather poorly-made CRT seems to have been denied.

Garou should win via passive radiation as per Kachon's arguments. You can maybe argue that it isn't a stomp because of the time stop, but otherwise, Garou crushes.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I don't think we can just erase votes... well, I'm not sure. I've never seen it done before. But it kinda just ends up dismissing everyone else's vote which feels unfair.
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It's been done many times. Matter of fact, this exact situation happened in a One Piece versus match not too long ago.
 
Pretty sure there are people who still want to debate. You cannot just erase votes until a concession has been made.
 
Eh... i still say Garou's radiation is not that all powerful. By the time it takes shadow to say "Chaos Control" he should be able to only suffer acute radiation poisoning (that might not even show symptons, depending on how far they would start. 4km almost certainly guarantees Shadow would shrug it off.) then he proceeds to attack Garou while Time is stopped (and radiation can't cause celular damage due to not piercing through at relativistic speeds) and either
1.Kills him and the radiation aura stops
2.fails to finish him off properly and gets hit with a enough to instantly kill dose of radiation poisoning, wich, frankly, might send him into a coma or make him too weak to fight properly.

If Shadow is 100% starting with time stop he wins more often than not, assuming he is the type to aim for the head.
 
Can I likewise ask @Phoenks to stop with their provoking language with disregarding arguments and trying to shut the thread down? I can’t lie and say they haven’t had of an effect on me.
 
Epiccheev said:
Eh... i still say Garou's radiation is not that all powerful. By the time it takes shadow to say "Chaos Control" he should be able to only suffer acute radiation poisoning (that might not even show symptons, depending on how far they would start. 4km almost certainly guarantees Shadow would shrug it off.) then he proceeds to attack Garou while Time is stopped (and radiation can't cause celular damage due to not piercing through at relativistic speeds) and either
1.Kills him and the radiation aura stops
2.fails to finish him off properly and gets hit with a enough to instantly kill dose of radiation poisoning, wich, frankly, might send him into a coma or make him too weak to fight properly.

If Shadow is 100% starting with time stop he wins more often than not, assuming he is the type to aim for the head.
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Garou's radiation is 83600000000000 mSv. Shadow becomes a bald hedgehog and would be writhing on the ground in pain before he uses CC. He dies shortly after (shortly being like 5 seconds lmfao)
 
Kachon123 said:
Garou's radiation is 83600000000000 mSv. Shadow becomes a bald hedgehog and would be writhing on the ground in pain before he uses CC. He dies shortly after (shortly being like 5 seconds lmfao)
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That's for the Gamma ray Burst, wich is an active attack that needs to be fired, and likely wouldn't be an opening move. (If anything he copies, pulls off a portal and tries to attack him from behind, wich would also possibly be lethal due to his radiation being most potent at melee range.)
Edit: and even if it was, thinking would still be faster.
 
Epiccheev said:
That's for the Gamma ray Burst, wich is an active attack that needs to be fired, and likely wouldn't be an opening move. (If anything he copies, pulls off a portal and tries to attack him from behind, wich would also possibly be lethal due to his radiation being most potent at melee range.)
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Even without the GRB, Garou's Radiation is still 80,000 mSv to 100,000 mSv. The same thing applies here.
 
Kachon123 said:
Garou's radiation is 83600000000000 mSv. Shadow becomes a bald hedgehog and would be writhing on the ground in pain before he uses CC. He dies shortly after (shortly being like 5 seconds lmfao)
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Working under the assumption he was inflicted with radiation, isn't 5 seconds a LOT of time for FTL characters? Lightspeed alone can circle around the equator 7.5 times in one second. Much less cover a few kilometer long distance and throwing thousands/millions+ punches.
 
Normally when we say seconds it's based on the characters perspective. Would be really weird if fast characters went "Damn, it's been 0000000.0000035 seconds since we started this fight, and this guy still won't go down! I'm at my limit"
 
I don't plan on voting anytime soon, but I think the best thing Shadow has going for him is the Sealing with 2-B range which I haven't seen any counter-arguments to. Figured I'd bring it up to see if there was any rebuttals against it.
 
There really ain't counters to that, but both characters are capable of killing each other really damn quick. (except one can do it at " think" speed)
 
LaserPrecision said:
Working under the assumption he was inflicted with radiation, isn't 5 seconds a LOT of time for FTL characters? Lightspeed alone can circle around the equator 7.5 times in one second. Much less cover a few kilometer long distance and throwing thousands/millions+ punches.
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I dont know why anyone is saying five seconds. It instantly incapacitated the heroes. Maybe a few seconds to kill I guess? Also, speed equalized has always been strange in the fact that we don't actually know what they are equalized to.
LaserPrecision said:
I don't plan on voting anytime soon, but I think the best thing Shadow has going for him is the Sealing with 2-B range which I haven't seen any counter-arguments to. Figured I'd bring it up to see if there was any rebuttals against it.
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It's a solid wincon, but is it more likely than Garou's wincons?
 
Garou’s radiation = kills a child with average human speed with no resistance to any kind of radiation in 5 or so seconds(average human speed time). Also, said Radiation can be survived for some individuals as long as you don’t get close, like Bang.

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Shadow the Hedgehog, who moves at FTL speed, teleports, Time Stop the Progression of Radiation, and has a degree of resistance to Radiation, such as the Sun’s radiation from scaling above Amy, Knuckles and Tails.

Shadow would have a lot of time to BFR Garou across a 2-B cosmology.
 
Phoenks said:
I dont know why anyone is saying five seconds. It instantly incapacitated the heroes. Maybe a few seconds to kill I guess? Also, speed equalized has always been strange in the fact that we don't actually know what they are equalized to.
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I believe speed is equalized to the slower character. I believe both are FTL bare minimum though.
Phoenks said:
It's a solid wincon, but is it more likely than Garou's wincons?
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I think it's not more likely, but also not less likely. I'm actually neutral as I think this match is actually more of an incon match. If Shadow was affected by radiation, and started to feel deathly ill, he would DEFINITELY immediately go for Chaos Control if he didn't already and seal Garou away. Thing is, even if he seals Garou away, Shadow would die from the radiation. Thus resulting in a tie.
 
ElixirBlue said:
Garou’s radiation = kills a child with average human speed with no resistance to any kind of radiation in 5 or so seconds(average human speed time). Also, said Radiation can be survived for some individuals as long as you don’t get close, like Bang.
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Garou's radiation also incapacitated multiple heroes the moment he stepped foot in front of them. Bang surviving is just PIS.
 
Phoenks said:
Meant "Bang." My bad.
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Everyone makes spell errors.


Phoenks said:
Garou's radiation also incapacitated multiple heroes the moment he stepped foot in front of them. Bang Blast surviving is just PIS.
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Yeah, the comparison was simply the difference in capabilities. None of the heroes has Shadow’s lore around his immortality (which you are free to disagree), speed, thought based abilities or scaling to resist direct radiation from the Sun.

The Rich kid with no resistance comparison was simply acknowledging Shadow would have more time (without using Time Stop) in the fight than the Rich kid.
 
The 5 seconds in normal human time thing is nitpicking,tbh it also happens very quickly from the heroes perspective (including Flash, who's FTL) and would be instant at melee range even, according to Blast.

If we assume Shadow's timeframe is 20 seconds from our perspective pretty sure he will be getting a big speed anti-feat every time he uses it. not to mention saying his time stop happened for like 0.000002 seconds would seem extremely weird for the audience. Same with Jotaro and any other superhuman timestop user. When it comes to this type of ability it's clearly based on their own perception of time. FTL characters talk when they are fighting, but we don't assume they lowered their speed to subsonic levels to do it.
 
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