Removing Black Hole from Garou

[ElixirBlue]

So , I have been made aware an ability of Garou's slipped in past the Wiki's standards. Black Hole creation.

(I'm aware I'm coming from a Vs Debating thread, but I've been told by OPM supporters there, that if I disagree with Garou's Black Hole creation, make a CRT)



Firstly, I want to link a profile that the wiki does not acknowledge as a Black Hole by the Wiki's standards for comparison.

Black Hole (Battle for Dream Island)

Black Hole is a contestant from the Battle for Dream Island series, debuting as a contestant during the fourth season, Battle for BFDI. He is a humble, living black hole who originally was the size of Earth only to have his body crushed down to a smaller size by Four. Even though Black Hole is...

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Secondly, as far as I can see, the justification is that it looks black and round and gives off Radiation.

But Lightning and Light from Radiation is shown escape the black sphere in those panels, which is impossible if it were to be a Black Hole.

Black Holes

To quote from Wikipedia: "A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term "Black Hole" comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic...

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"Black holes in fiction are some of the trickiest things to analyze, because it is often difficult to determine if it is a "real" black hole, or just some kind of black hole-ish void. Since black holes in fiction rarely conform to the actual physical properties of their real-life counterparts, this is usually a problem."

As such, removing the Black Hole from Garou's profile.

 

[Kachon123]

But light is shown escape the black sphere in those panels, which is impossible if it were to be a Black Hole.

Black Holes

To quote from Wikipedia: "A black hole is a region of space in which the gravitational field is so powerful that nothing, not even light, can escape its pull after having fallen past its event horizon. The term "Black Hole" comes from the fact that, at a certain point, even electromagnetic...

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I do not see light escaping from the Black Hole.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I do not see light escaping from the Black Hole.

What do you mean exactly?

 

[Kachon123]

Garou's Gamma Ray Burst is stated by the Omniscient Narrator to be a real Gamma Ray Burst, and even goes as far to accurately explain what a Gamma Ray Burst is.

In the middle of a Gamma Ray Burst, there would be a Black Hole. This is exactly what is shown in the Narrator's explanation, and when Garou preforms the Gamma Ray Burst.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

I do not see light escaping from the Black Hole.

Light is escaping from the Black Hole in the first panel

 

[Kachon123]

What do you mean exactly?

You claimed that light is escaping the Black Hole. I would appreciate it if you were to point it out, as I can't see what light you're referring to.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

In the middle of a Gamma Ray Burst, there would be a Black Hole. This is exactly what is shown in the Narrator's explanation, and when Garou preforms the Gamma Ray Burst.

You know that stuff such as Neutron Stars can cause GRBs as well right?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Garou's Gamma Ray Burst is stated by the Omniscient Narrator to be a real Gamma Ray Burst, and even goes as far to accurately explain what a Gamma Ray Burst is.

In the middle of a Gamma Ray Burst, there would be a Black Hole. This is exactly what is shown in the Narrator's explanation, and when Garou preforms the Gamma Ray Burst.

Authors aren't scientists or vs debators

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Authors aren't scientists or vs debators

Not to mention statements have to backed up by feats to justify them...

 

[Kachon123]

Authors aren't scientists or vs debators

Not to mention statements have to backed up by feats to justify them...

Murata and ONE literally perfectly described what a Gamma Ray Burst is. What is the issue?

Garou does have feats to back this up are you kidding me?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Authors aren't scientists or vs debators

What a lazy argument. It is quite explicit that Murata has researched what an Gamma Ray is, to the point of making a summary explaining the phenomenon and drawing with basically the same design

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Just being stated that they are supposedly real GRBs or Black Holes isn't nearly enough to qualify, especially when their properties contradict those of actual Black Holes and GRBs

 

[Kachon123]

especially when their properties contradict those of actual Black Holes and GRBs

How so?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What a lazy argument. It is quite explicit that Murata has researched what an Gamma Ray is, to the point of making a summary explaining the phenomenon and drawing with basically the same design

While what he said about GRBs isn't wrong, they have contradicting properties compared to real ones

 

[Kachon123]

they have contradicting properties compared to real ones

How so?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

How so?

I just explained how so. The biggest reason is light escaping the so called "event horizon", which is literally impossible in real Black Holes

Their gravity is also way too weak. The Earth would get destroyed in seconds if an actual Black Hole at this size formed here

 

[Deceived3596]

Authors aren't scientists or vs debators

They don't need to be either to do a simple google search of what GRB are and how they function.

This isn't a counter to what Kachon is arguing, like at all.

 

[ElixirBlue]

They don't need to be either to do a simple google search of what GRB are and how they function.

The dark sphere can have GRB. Doesn't make it a Black Hole.

 

[Quantu]

This is the same Garou that has been described as gaining knowledge of the flow of all forces and energy in the universe, who then went on to use Nuclear Fission, then a Gamma Ray Burst, which Murata even went out of his way to explain. Seems pretty legit to me.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

They don't need to be either to do a simple google search of what GRB are and how they function.

This isn't a counter to what Kachon is arguing, like at all.

For it to qualify for real Black Hole or GRB, they need to portray these two phenomena realistically. And they clearly don't because in a real Black Hole light DOESN'T escape from the Black part

 

[Kachon123]

I just explained how so. The biggest reason is light escaping the so called "event horizon", which is literally impossible in real Black Holes

What light. Circle or point to it, because I'm not seeing it.

Light being around the Black Hole during a Gamma Ray Burst is not absurd at all.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Just being stated that they are supposedly real GRBs or Black Holes isn't nearly enough to qualify, especially when their properties contradict those of actual Black Holes and GRBs

Not having the property of a black hole does not mean that the ability needs to be removed. There are characters that create fake black holes and receive this same ability, it is even shown on page

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Wouldn't this also downgrade Garou's 5-A AP?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

What light. Circle or point to it, because I'm not seeing it.

Light being around the Black Hole during a Gamma Ray Burst is not absurd at all.

It's not around the Black Hole. It's literally escaping from within it

 

[Kachon123]

Not having the property of a black hole

The ridiculous thing is that Garou's has the properties of one as well.

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op fra

 

[Kachon123]

It's not around the Black Hole. It's literally escaping from within it

Circle or point to it,

Where

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with the op fra

What reasons

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The ridiculous thing is that Garou's has the properties of one as well.

I know

But the reason for the power being removed is also dumb

 

[ElixirBlue]

Wouldn't this also downgrade Garou's 5-A AP?

His 5-A comes from the Gamma Ray Burst, not from a Black Hole (after a quick read)

 

[speedster352]

What reasons

The reasons in the op

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The ridiculous thing is that Garou's has the properties of one as well.

It literally doesn't. Its gravity is way too weak, it doesn't show to bend LIGHT around it (gravitational lensing), and worst of all, shows light escaping from within the Black sphere

 

[Kachon123]

The reasons in the op

The debunked reasons?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

His 5-A comes from the Gamma Ray Burst, not from a Black Hole (after a quick read)

Nah, it's calculating the energy needed to create the Black Hole inside the GRB

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The debunked reasons?

You didn't debunk anything. All you did is play ignorant when we showed you why it wouldn't work

 

[ElixirBlue]

The debunked reasons?

What debunk? You can say you don't see Light but that doesn't mean anything when the panels show light escaping from it.

 

[Kachon123]

Garou is stated to have gained the knowledge of the flow of all energy and behaviors of all forces in the universe. Not only that, but he's stated to be able to recreate them. The narrator stated that it's a real GRB, and Garou recreated it. There is no reason is hell that this should be removed.

Removing this is clear showing that you have no understanding of the series and how things work in the wiki either. Put your biases aside and look at this how it is.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm going to contact an admin to close this.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Black Holes can have jets and shit

 

[ZillertheBucko]

This is silly
Garou’s cosmic awareness and mimicry alone make it pretty undebatable that he is completely capable of making a black hole
With that said, the idea that light is escaping is also just false. It’s a still manga panel, there’s nothing showing that what you’re seeing isn’t light ENTERING it rather than escaping it. Given geryuganshoop’s dialogue, the writers are completely aware of the properties of a black hole and thus it’s far more likely that the panel is showing light entering the black hole
further shown by the fact that Saitama is invisible in the 2nd frame. Disagreed for obvious reasons.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Black Holes can have jets and shit

And there you have it, an even simpler and blatant explanation
this thread is copium as hell, close it.