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Semantics.“He doesn’t use time stop for more than a couple seconds.”
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Semantics.“He doesn’t use time stop for more than a couple seconds.”
Watching the video, there's not a single time that Shadow has used Chaos Control time stop for more than a couple seconds. He stops time to get a few free hits on Garou, then undos it, just for Garou to evolve and destroy him.
That's what I mean. I'm not doubting that he can hold it for any longer than I said, but what I mean is that in character, he would usually only have it active how a few seconds to get a couple hits off.Also, Shadow can stop the Chaos Control at any momemt he wants like against Silver
In gameplay yes. In actual lore? Not usually the case. Silver was a special case since he wanted to reason with Silver, and soon after succeeded in doing so. Against his clone? Sure, he got off only a single hit before disabling Chaos Control, but that's because he had beaten the clone already.That's what I mean. I'm not doubting that he can hold it for any longer than I said, but what I mean is that in character, he would usually only have it active how a few seconds to get a couple hits off.
Can you send videos of other times he used it?In gameplay yes. In actual lore? Not usually the case. Silver was a special case since he wanted to reason with Silver, and soon after succeeded in doing so. Against his clone? Sure, he got off only a single hit before disabling Chaos Control, but that's because he had beaten the clone already.
Hm, I can't think of many instances where he used it. I'm sure someone else can though.Can you send videos of other times he used it?
Ironic. FRA spams are only good if it's for the OPM character huh? Also a good chunk these people are more knowledgeable on Sonic than me and can thus form better arguments than me in this thread, yet you haven't even been able to counter my arguments.I swear its the NPCs who cant form an argument who are voting for Shadow right now. I literally cant. Unfollowing this shithole.
Devil Doom's eye for instance.I figure Shadow would know to go for a weak spot like the neck or head
This was a voteWell, considering he can basically use Hero Shadow and CC pretty much at will, Shadow should be able to win here
He already resist time stop iircEdit: Would it be fair to assume Shadow has a resistance to time stop at this point?
Enough apparentlyOk, but then it's a question of how much radiation is produced and how that compares to Garou's outputs.
Similar to heat it is graded by output. It's not something vague as mind/soul manip that have no real way of grading their power other than arguably no. Of people controlled.I still question why the amount matters. Shadow resists Cosmic Radiation normally and from what I've seen, Garou's Cosmic Radiation only speeds up the effects of Cosmic Radiation, not bypass resistances to it.
We don't say Biological Manipulation cause bypass Inorganic Physiology without feats (which some verses do that) just because Biological Manip happens quickly.
Going to mention once again... Time stop is not his only starting move, yet people are treating it like it is.Tbf guys what Kachon is trying to say is that Shadow would underestimate the damage necessary to kill Garou or just not go for the kill and instead try to KO him, leading to Garou adapting and also being able to use Chaos Control to counter Shadow's as well as being stronger and faster.
I understand that reasoning but like Shadow would probably restop time the moment he realizes Garou starts to regen and then finish the job. I doubt Garou can both regen from something that's supposed to either kill him or knock him out and at the same time use Chaos Control as fast as Shadow does, Garou might also be limited in how potent his chaos control is and how long he can keep it active compared to Shadow who has infinite energy. Shadow can also temporarily counter Garou's stat advantage by removing his inhibitor rings, perhaps giving him the necessary time to chaos control a second time at which point he will surely finish the job.
Edit: Would it be fair to assume Shadow has a resistance to time stop at this point?
Maybe it's becasue CC is Shadow's starting move, especially if he'd view Garou as an enemy. Shadow also loves to spam CC in general, and would definitely use it considering by SBA he would see Garou as an enemyGoing to mention once again... Time stop is not his only starting move, yet people are treating it like it is.
Not really, Shadow can use his Hero/Dark Shadow forms at will and can stay in them indefinitely as long as he attacks bad guys (which Garou counts as). These forms have invulnerability which makes Garou's AP adaptation pretty much uselessIt is, in fact, the only move here that allows him to win. While everything Garou does can win the match.
His regeneration is only Low-Mid though according to a profile. Low-Mid regen cannot negate a Chaos Spear sent directly to his head to explode it.Garou can indeed regenerate from things that were supposed to kill him. In fact, he's done it in the story before, various times.
1) Yes, Chaos Control is thought based, and 2) How does portal creation gonna help? He lacks the range to escape from Shadow's BFR anywaysIs Chaos Control thought-based? And also, please note that Garou fights with portal spam that makes traversing distances meaningless. He just pops out of portals and attacks him.
But Time Stop isn't the only thing in his CC moveset, which is my point here. If he doesn't lead with time stop, Garou is far more likely to win.Maybe it's becasue CC is Shadow's starting move, especially if he'd view Garou as an enemy. Shadow also loves to spam CC in general, and would definitely use it considering by SBA he would see Garou as an enemy
How does the invulnerability work? Garou could potentially copy it.Not really, Shadow can use his Hero/Dark Shadow forms at will and can stay in them indefinitely as long as he attacks bad guys (which Garou counts as). These forms have invulnerability which makes Garou's AP adaptation pretty much useless
And that's not to mention Shadow can adapt in power as well, getting stronger as he fights
Assuming that a Chaos Spear just gains one-shot worthy AP? That's not happening, and if it isn't in time stop, Garou just portals the projectile away.His regeneration is only Low-Mid though according to a profile. Low-Mid regen cannot negate a Chaos Spear sent directly to his head to explode it.
And in case he survives even that, Shadow can remove his inhibitor rings to massively increase in power and destroy him with a Chaos Blast
Portals help him to attack without Shadow knowing where he went or where he's coming from.1) Yes, Chaos Control is thought based, and 2) How does portal creation gonna help? He lacks the range to escape from Shadow's BFR anyways
We're at a point where Shadow would be able to resist (most of) Garou's active radiation attacks so this is certainly not true.While everything Garou does can win the match.
Strawman, I said that he can't regen from something that's supposed to kill him AND use CC at the same time.Garou can indeed regenerate from things that were supposed to kill him. In fact, he's done it in the story before, various times.
Garou would already have a stat advantage in the scenario that I laid out, as such Garou ain't copying much if anything at all since Shadow would just use the boost to get pretty much even again with Garou.If he removes his inhibitor rings, it won't matter, as Garou will just copy the strength he gains anyways.
Unfortunately for you, nobody has proved that. And that's not even what I'm talking about. The guy literally one shots after a few moments.We're at a point where Shadow would be able to resist (most of) Garou's active radiation attacks so this is certainly not true.
Not a strawman, wtf? His regen is passive and his mimicry is thought-based. All he has to do is copy CC lol. Why are you acting like his regeneration isn't both instantaneous and passive?Strawman, I said that he can't regen from something that's supposed to kill him AND use CC at the same time.
Garou would have a stat advantage in any circumstance. Even if they're even, Garou will still grow past him in an instant.Garou would already have a stat advantage in the scenario that I laid out, as such Garou ain't copying much if anything at all since Shadow would just use it to get pretty much even again with Garou.
I did, check above.Unfortunately for you, nobody has proved that.
Prove he can instantly use CC when he's half-dead (so half-conscious at best) and in the process of regenerating, I doubt his regen is Zamasu levels of instantaneous.Not a strawman, wtf? His regen is passive and his mimicry is thought-based. All he has to do is copy CC lol. Why are you acting like his regeneration isn't both instantaneous and passive?
Luckily an instant is all Shadow needs to activate CC.Garou will still grow past him in an instant.
Not comparable to a Gamma Ray Burst.I did, check above.
His physical condition has nothing to do with his copying. I just said it was thought-based.Prove he can instantly use CC when he's half-dead (so half-conscious at best) and in the process of regenerating, I doubt his regen is Zamasu levels of instantaneous.
Luckily Garou can copy it and grow at the same time.Luckily an instant is all Shadow needs to activate CC.
Well I did say most, not sure how potent his Gamma Ray Burst is.Not comparable to a Gamma Ray Burst.
I'm not targeting the copying, I'm targeting him executing Chaos Control.His physical condition has nothing to do with his copying. I just said it was thought-based.
The whirlwind thingy still seems to take some time, if anything Garou's pain resistance/ability to remain fully conscious after taking very high amount of damage matters more, how good is he in that department? Now that I think about it more, Garou having fast passive regen might be more in Shadow's advantage since he'll catch on and will use CC a second time before Garou realizes what happened to him and decides to use Chaos Control himself.His regeneration is indeed instantaneous.
We're in a scenario where Garou has already copied CC and either has used it but Shadow lived (or countered with his own CC), decides not to use it (yet) or can't use it(s full potential).Luckily Garou can copy it and grow at the same time.
You realize Chaos Control do all of these at once right?But Time Stop isn't the only thing in his CC moveset, which is my point here. If he doesn't lead with time stop, Garou is far more likely to win.
Garou won't have time to adapt since Shadow will already time stop him by this pointHis adaptations will never reach Garou. And prove that his adaptation is superior to Garou's RE + Power Mimicry.
Shadow starts at a pretty big AP advanrage over him (810 Yottatons VS 247.29 Yottatons, and with him using CC right away, Garou won't be able to adapt in time, and with Hero/Dark Shadow and removing his inhibitor rings, he can easily overpower people that were previously comparable to him, meaning he does not survive a Chaos Blast to the face while being stopped in timeAssuming that a Chaos Spear just gains one-shot worthy AP? That's not happening, and if it isn't in time stop, Garou just portals the projectile away.
While Garou is time stopped? Not gonna happenRemoving his inhibitor rings just gives more power for Garou to copy.
Can you show how this even work?Portals help him to attack without Shadow knowing where he went or where he's coming from.
83600000000000 mSv lmao.Well I did say most, not sure how potent his Gamma Ray Burst is.
The radiation alone can deconstruct molecules from thousands of kilometers away IIRC.Well I did say most, not sure how potent his Gamma Ray Burst is.
So... copying? I'm confused on what you're saying here. "Executing Chaos Control" is the same as "Copying Chaos Control"I'm not targeting the copying, I'm targeting him executing Chaos Control.
"Take some thing" The panel after that he was already striking Saitama with a fully remade arm. Wdym?The whirlwind thingy still seems to take some time, if anything Garou's pain resistance/ability to remain fully conscious after taking very high amount of damage matters more, how good is he in that department? Now that I think about it more, Garou having fast passive regen might be more in Shadow's advantage since he will use CC a second time before Garou realizes what happened to him and decides to use Chaos Control himself.
Why would Shadow live? Unlike Shadow, Garou isn't going to limit himself. And he would use his copied techniques instantly. He's always shown to do that.We're in a scenario where Garou has already copied CC and either has used it but Shadow lived, decides not to use it (yet) or can't use it(s full potential).
That's not instantaneous. Fast, but not this fastHis regeneration is indeed instantaneous.
Was it shown to be comparable to an actual Gamma Ray Burst? Just because it was said to be so doesn't mean anything unless it was shown as suchNot comparable to a Gamma Ray Burst.
It's accepted as a real GRB on his profile.Was it shown to be comparable to an actual Gamma Ray Burst? Just because it was said to be so doesn't mean anything unless it was shown as such