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9 Oni-8 Goku with FTW's vote for Goku.
2 inconclusive.
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2 inconclusive.
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This is funny. Goku goes out of his way to search strong fighters. He was warned by King Kai that Freeza was evil and very strong, but nope, Goku was excited to fight him. So no, Goku won't go for the kill without a good fist fight. Also as it's being said several times, Instant Kameha is not infallible and Goku has used it twice in his whole fighting history.Miles Romero12 said:Yes. I am sayong just that. Its more likely for Goku to go for the kill FIRST.
Your own words:Miles Romero12 said:I dont see you admiting most of the early votes for Akuma are invalid now, huh?
yeah, but guess what. Unless you include Gohan as a potential fight candidate with SSJ2 Powers in this fight. Goku won't be so carefree. I've seen a person debunk the soul based attacks in this thread, so no he cannot.Ryukama said:Cell Saga Goku was willing to risk his son and everyone on the planet getting killed restoring Cell's health for the sake of a "fair match." He's not nearly as bloodlusted or efficient as you guys are saying he is. His whole point is that he longs for a good fight.
And yes Akuma can theoretically one shot Goku with soul based attacks, as Goku has no resistance towards them.
Think it was a comment of Miles Romero12ScarletFirefly said:I've seen a person debunk the soul based attacks in this thread, so no he cannot.
I already presented the possibilities to Miles, I suggest you read them.FTW395 said:Think it was a comment of Miles Romero12
The beam is a very specific spirit based attack, just like the Raging Demon. Just because you survive one doesn't mean you'll survive the other. They are attacks based on conditions. Anyone that doesn't clear those conditions, isn't affected.FTW395 said:Still Goku survived the devilmite beam
Vegeta is irrelevant here.FTW395 said:vegeta was shown to resists babidi's mental attacks.
This is reaching? I already gave you two reasons why this is a legit argument. Go and read them.Miles Romero12 said:@Scarlet
You are the one who came up with ASURA'S OWN VERSION OF THE RAGING DEMON.
This is reaching and getting things out of nowhere.
He has done it before. See Evil Ryu vs Akuma. Right of the bat, he goes for the Raging Demon.FTW395 said:Btw is it in-character for Akuma to spam his raging demon at the start of the fight?
First, I suggest you take it down a notch.Miles Romero12 said:Are you kidding me right now?
Literaly no one of you has explained or responded to me on how Asura blocked punched thru onis raging demon.
You IGNORE any possibility or response that doesnt favour Oni.
This is not a debate, this is a kangaroo court.
I googled it a bit so I'm not 100% sure if I got the right thing, but the only evil ryu vs akuma I found was in a video game vs an AI controlled character who used the raging demon at the start of the fight.ScarletFirefly said:He has done it before. See Evil Ryu vs Akuma. Right of the bat, he goes for the Raging Demon.
That's the one.FTW395 said:I googled it a bit so I'm not 100% sure if I got the right thing, but the only evil ryu vs akuma I found was in a video game vs an AI controlled character who used the raging demon at the start of the fight.
Thank youRyukama said:@Miles We have many times. Asura resisting the attack doesn't mean everyone in fiction can. That just means Asura has soul resistance. Ryuko punched herself in the face to resist mind attacks. Does that mean everyone can now negate those mind attacks if they punch themselves?
this is EXACTLY what i am saying.Ryukama said:@FTW Like Scarlet said Akuma spams the attack and with speed equal is likely to be able to hit him at least once.
@Miles We have many times. Asura resisting the attack doesn't mean everyone in fiction can. That just means Asura has soul resistance. Ryuko punched herself in the face to resist mind attacks. Does that mean everyone can now negate those mind attacks if they punch themselves?
That's not game mechanics, that's a cutscene, get your facts straight.FTW395 said:So let me get this straight, you use game mechanics to define Akuma's personality. Yet no in-game character gets one-shotted by Akuma's raging demon, it only damages the characters a bit.
Maybe if you linked me the facts instead of letting a person who knows nothing about SF search for it themselves we wouldn't have this problem. I said I just googled a bit so I wasn't 100% sure if I saw the right one, which I apparently didn't. The video I saw had no cutscene whatsoever.ScarletFirefly said:That's not game mechanics, that's a cutscene, get your facts straight.
Exactly.Ryukama said:Okay I am done talking at this point then.
Asura is an entirely separate character from Goku. You cannot assume that just because he has something everyone else can. Or else by your logic everyone in fiction has mind resistance, soul resistance, intangibility resistance, etc.
Asura simply being able to resist a soul attack is far more reasonable than, oh Asura punched it out therefore everyone in fiction can now resist the attack. That's not how powers and resistances work here and it's not how we rate things here.
Plus again it's not like Akuma can only rely on soul attacks. He has centuries more combat experience and much higher stamina.
HereFTW395 said:@Miles Romero12 could you link me the video where Asura dodges/blocks Akuma's raging demon?
I object.ScarletFirefly said:The Raging Demon (Instant Hell Murder) also the Wrath of the Raging Demon (quoted by Akuma "Isshun Sengeki"-> One thousand strikes in an instant) is a series of strikes all in one instant.
Also, who in their right mind would let Goku charge up his Spirit Bomb?