COLLIDING FISTS OF KI! Son Goku vs Akuma

[Sigma_the_Terminator_of_Purple_Monsters]

Going with Goku for Ki sense, Teleport, many ki techniques, Kienzan, fly, endurance and ssj

 

[ScarletFirefly]

^^ Nope. In DBZ it is explicitly shown that SSJ transformation drains huge amounts of stamina. It's the sole reason why Goku came up with the Full Powered SSJ. Training himself to endure the reduced fatigue and desensitize the body to it.

Going with Goku for Ki sense, Teleport, many ki techniques, Kienzan, fly, endurance and ssj

Kienzan falls under Ki techniques, is slow and cannot be redirected so it's easily dodged, Oni can also fly, nice try on the endurance and ssj isn't even an argument.

 

[FTW395]

^^ Nope. In DBZ it is explicitly shown that SSJ transformation drains huge amounts of stamina. It's the sole reason why Goku came up with the Full Powered SSJ. Training himself to endure the reduced fatigue and desensitize the body to it.

So, what's your point? It doesn't matter how hard a transformation drains your stamina, at the start of the battle your stamina will still be full. When a person is worn out his Ki level will also be less big and that can be sensed. Perfect Example is full powered Frieza. Goku sensed he was getting weaker by the minute because his transformation drained too much of his stamina, that's why he quit the fight between him and frieza.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

^ I'd just like to add that we also saw the same thing with Golden Frieza as well, it was specifically stated that the form drains stamina which corresponded to a decrease in ki, and both Goku and Vegeta figured it out

 

[Miles_Romero12]

I still agree wiyh Yojimbo.

I think we already have the 3 vote difference.

 

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

I still agree wiyh Yojimbo.
I think we already have the 3 vote difference.

really?

 

[Miles_Romero12]

I think so

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Last time I checked, it was like 10 to 9. 10 to 10 or 10 to 11 at best.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

It's actually 10-9 in favor of Akuma.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Could someone tally up the votes?

EDIT: I've actually just done it myself but feel free to count them yourself

 

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

It's actually 10-9 in favor of Akuma.

can you plzz name those who are with goku and those who are with akuma?

 

[FTW395]

Akuma: Iron kirby, Huesito88, Cal, Bre8k, Cropfist, Austrian-Man-Meat, ScarletFirefly, TISSG7Redgrave, KamiYasha, Ryukama

Goku: Yojimbo1989, Miles Romero12, Xantospoc, Enoyaka, Gokuiscool144, FTW395, ThePerpetual, Preds43, AnonymouXOtakuX, Sigma the Terminator of Purple Monsters

It's a tie! Atleast that's what I got, hope nobody changed his vote mid-thread, because I just quickly scrolled through.

 

[Miles_Romero12]

One dude changed his vote from inconclusive to goku

 

[Miles_Romero12]

Also, counting Yojimbo's vote, its 11-9 in favour of goku.

Dont try to fool us scarlet, relying on lies to win an argument is sad.

 

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

One dude changed his vote from inconclusive to goku

that was me

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's 10 to 10, Miles. Don't insult someone.

 

[AllanSaiyan]

I am going with Goku also via intant transmission, techniques and the power up after going Super Saiyan. Also for the reasons above.

 

[Miles_Romero12]

A day ago, it was 10-9 in goku's favor.

And today Yojimbo voted goku. So 11-9

So who here voted/changed his vote to akuma?

 

[Yojimbo1989]

Right so here's how I've counted the votes, if I got them wrong please don't take it the wrong way, this thread is really long.

I count the votes as either 11-9-1 for Goku depending on whether two votes are accepted, or 8-9-1 for Akuma if said two votes are not counted.

The voting members as I count it are

Akuma: Iron Kirby, Huestito88, The real cal howard, Cropfist, AustrianManMeat, Ryukama, ScarletFirefly, TISSG7Redgrave, KamiYasha

Goku: Me, Miles Romero12, Xantospoc, EnoYaka, Gokuiscool144, FTW395, ThePerpetual, AnoymouXOtakuX, Sigma the Terminator of Purple Monsters, RadicalMrR, Preds43

Inconclusive: Burning FullFingers

The two votes in italics in for Goku are the one's that may or may not be counted since either I'm not sure if they clearly expressed their point (RadicalMrR) or if they gave a viewpoint that would be accepted as being counted (Preds43)

Let me know your opinions

 

[FTW395]

@Yojimbo1989 you forgot Bre8k for Akuma, see my list for reference. Allansaiyan would make it 11-10 in favour of Goku.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

@FTW395 Ahh sorry, like I said more due to the overwhelming size of this thread than anything else.

 

[AntorusTheBurningThrone]

Yes. I did confirm goku...

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Also, counting Yojimbo's vote, its 11-9 in favour of goku.

Dont try to fool us scarlet, relying on lies to win an argument is sad.

I never lied about the votes. Preds never confirmed his vote until now, and Radical hasn't either, and I already counted Yojimbo's vote. This is the last time I'm putting ip with your insults.

 

[ScarletFirefly]

Right now is 11-10 in favor of Goku.

 

[Gokuiscool144]

He wasn't "Insulting" anyone but ok lol

 

[Miles_Romero12]

>Letting Akuma voters CHOSE if Goku votes arevalid or not.

 

[Sigma_the_Terminator_of_Purple_Monsters]

Is Goku's Stamina counted as the one from his fight against cell?if so, he was only tired after the fight because of the enourmous energy drain from the Warp Kamehameha

 

[Miles_Romero12]

Is Goku's Stamina counted as the one from his fight against cell?if so, he was only tired after the fight because of the enourmous energy drain from the Warp Kamehameha

No he wasnt.

 

[Sigma_the_Terminator_of_Purple_Monsters]

No he wasnt.

Cell said that Goku's Ki dropped a lot after using it

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Actually, I didn't vote for inconclusive. I just said the results should be added like that for the both of them because of the length of the thread and I think the Versus Thread rules also says something like that.

So erm, if it isn't going to be added as inconclusive, I'm leaning towards Akuma for the reasons above.

 

[FTW395]

And that makes it 11-11, guess we should just settle on inconclusive huh.

 

[Yojimbo1989]

No he wasnt.

Cell said that Goku's Ki dropped a lot after using it
That's right, it would have killed Cell if not for his Regenerationn

 

[Yojimbo1989]

And that makes it 11-11, guess we should just settle on inconclusive huh.

Yeah, unless someone else has something fresh to add

@EDIT nevermind, I already requested it be deemed inconclusive

 

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

And that makes it 11-11, guess we should just settle on inconclusive huh.

mybe its for the best if its put as inconclusive

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

BUMP

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

And that makes it 11-11, guess we should just settle on inconclusive huh.

agreed this is turning into a mess like fate's Dante vs Ragna

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I am both surprised and not surprised that this is the post that would blow up like this.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

it didn't blow up…it nuked like this

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I meant blow up in both the good and bad way, but yeah.

 

[AnonymouXOtakuX]

so will it be inconclusive or not?