Cole Macgrath vs Laxus Dreyar

[Schnee_One]

This match has been done IDEK How many times, so I'd say let's get it over with really.

Speed is Unequal as the difference is minuscule, 7B for both.

Laxus Dreyar:

Cole MacGrath: 2

 

[DMUA]

Laxus who

Is this an SAO Tabletop reference

 

[The_Wright_Way]

So, both can absorb lightning but Cole's the only one who gets healed by it. Cole seems to be smarter, as Laxus's intellegence seems to specialize in long-term planning then direct combat, Cole can send Dreyar's attacks back at him via shock wave, has an enormous range advantage and willingness to abuse it, can absorb Laxus if he transforms into lightning, seems to be fairly stronger, and has higher versatility with stuff like homing missiles, grenades that restrain targets, shields, etc.

Cole wins pretty comfortably.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

So unless I'm misunderstanding the scaling train, Laxus scales to a 13 megaton feat whereas Cole scales to a 27 megaton feat and a 14 megaton feat. Both of these were performed literally at the beginning of the game, and he's hilariously stronger by the end of the game. So Cole likely holds the AP advantage.

As mentioned by Wright, both can eat lightning, but only one gets healed by it. Cole also has the means to reflect attacks or block them with shields. Also, luckily for Cole, he has other options beyond electricity. His rockets, grenades and shockwaves use KE, so those should be effective against Laxus, and gigawatt blades can cut through electrically resistant foes. His rockets can lose gravity of those caught in the blast radius, same with shockwaves, and grenades trap those caught in their blast radius in arc restraints, though Laxus can likely drain them or break out via transforming into lightning. However, Cole still holds the AP and versatility advantage. Laxus is only a little faster than Cole, but it's minuscule at best and Cole can amp his speed via Preciosn.

I think Cole takes this via versatility and AP

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

BUMP

 

[CNBA3]

Actually, Laxus like all dragon slayers get reinvigorated by consuming their respective elements, restores their power and even gain their respective attributes (in some cases). And is even immune to his own lightning as well as other lightning type abilities.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Only their stamina gets replenished, there is no healing at all.

 

[CNBA3]

Still they do not have much means to hurt each other in this case as they can take each other's lightning.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

So unless I'm misunderstanding the scaling train, Laxus scales to a 13 megaton feat whereas Cole scales to a 27 megaton feat and a 14 megaton feat. Both of these were performed literally at the beginning of the game, and he's hilariously stronger by the end of the game. So Cole likely holds the AP advantage.

His rockets, grenades and shockwaves use KE, so those should be effective against Laxus, and gigawatt blades can cut through electrically resistant foes.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

The thing is that Laxus doesn't have anything other than lightning whil Cole does. If his weapons are strong enough to harm Laxus, he wins due to not having to get into the other guy's face and punch him to death.

Voting Cole for versatility.

 

[CNBA3]

Laxus can dodge those easily rockets and grenades, Laxus has other magic such as Fairy Law, which Cole would have no defense against. Laxus can just eat those blades and utilize them against Cole

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Coles attacks having homing effects and can either restrain or lower the gravity of those caught in its blast radius. Laxus only uses Fairy Law as a last resort and likely gets overwhelmed by Cole's AP and versatility advantage before he ever gets the chance to use it.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Cole has feats of hurting and killing people with his lightning who get stronger from absorbing lightning (Kessler and David). Doubt Laxus can dodge homing rockets. What does Fairy Law do?

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Basically one shots via dura negating anyone the user truly views as an enemy

 

[CNBA3]

He doesn't really use it as a last resort, he just uses it when he wants to end the fight. It is not like he can just destroy those rockets and grenades before they hav the chance to reach him.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

He doesn't really use it as a last resort, he just uses it when he wants to end the fight. It is not like he can just destroy those rockets and grenades before they hav the chance to reach him.

To bad they are way stronger than anything Laxus has, meaning he can't destroy them.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Basically one shots via dura negating anyone the user truly views as an enemy

One shots how? Does the target just drop dead? Because if so, resurrection beats that.

 

[CNBA3]

Wait, I thought you meant rockets as they in literal rockets, not rockets as in his own electrical moves. Then no, he would just eat them. If KE were a factor, then dragon slayers would have been damaged by elemental attack every time they land

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

He doesn't really use it as a last resort, he just uses it when he wants to end the fight. It is not like he can just destroy those rockets and grenades before they hav the chance to reach him.

I mean, he only used it like once against Natsu and Gajeel, which failed due to plot, and then never again, not even against Hades, who almost killed him, or Jura, a Wizard Saint who pushed him to his limits

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Wait, I thought you meant rockets as they in literal rockets, not rockets as in his own electrical moves. Then no, he would just eat them. If KE were a factor, then dragon slayers would have been damaged by elemental attack every time they land

They're not made of lightning, just electromagnetism and kinetic energy

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Wait, I thought you meant rockets as they in literal rockets, not rockets as in his own electrical moves. Then no, he would just eat them. If KE were a factor, then dragon slayers would have been damaged by elemental attack every time they land

Kessler and David both absorb all electricity that hits them. Cole killed them with electricity. He's not eating it.

Feats of him absorbing attacks far stronger than him please

 

[CNBA3]

I mean, he only used it like once against Natsu and Gajeel, which failed due to plot, and then never again, not even against Hades, who almost killed him, or Jura, a Wizard Saint who pushed him to his limits

It is not plot really, FL only effects those the caster sees as their enemy, and in his heart, he never saw anyone in FT as his enemy, he was just in denial. Hades has Grimoire Law which is a deterrent, and I do not think that GMG would appreciate FT if they end up killing their opponents.

@Wright, Natsu ate flames from beings much stronger than himself, Laxus would do the same, even while sick he managed to eat electricity from a much stronger enemy. Even overpowered an enemy with a healing factor.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

Still, we never see him using the move beyond that one time. What changes his in character move set now?

 

[CNBA3]

If his family is on the line, then he would very much use it, because it is their creed, those who threaten their family would get no mercy.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

This is the him that used it and he is clearly getting pushed in this fight with everything he does being absorbed, Laxus knows to use something else to win other than lightning. It depends whether Cole can beat him first which does seem likely given his electricity kills people who absorb it.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

This is the him that used it and he is clearly getting pushed in this fight with everything he does being absorbed, Laxus knows to use something else to win other than lightning. It depends whether Cole can beat him first which does seem likely given his electricity kills people who absorb it.

Assuming Cole doesn't resurrect after it hits him.

 

[CNBA3]

I think there is a difference between elemental attacks that can harm elemental resistant users and those that have that perk along with immunity of being absorbed/consumed.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

I think there is a difference between elemental attacks that can harm elemental resistant users and those that have that perk along with immunity of being absorbed/consumed.

You mean like Kessler and David have? Because they get stronger and heal from any conact with electricity and that didn't stop Cole from killing them with a thunderstorm.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

If his family is on the line, then he would very much use it, because it is their creed, those who threaten their family would get no mercy.

Okay but his family has nothing to do with this encounter? This is literally just a random bout between Laxus and Cole. Fairy Tail has nothing to do with this. Also, Laxus has shown that he wanted to use the attack to try and take out a large group (FT + Magnolia), doubt he'd try to use it on one random guy, at least not at the beginning of the fight.

 

[CNBA3]

@Wright, Well, Kessler was already down by the end when Cole used Thunderstrom, even before that Kessler teleports away before it hits him.

@PTX, well he will likely use it at sometime though

 

[The_Wright_Way]

@Wright, Well, Kessler was already down by the end when Cole used Thunderstrom, even before that Kessler teleports away before it hits him.

@PTX, well he will likely use it at sometime though

What? No, Kessler doesn't teleport. Cole still hurt and killed him with electricity.

Not before Cole beats him. And again, resurrection.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

I was gonna ask how regen and resurrection interact with FL

 

[CNBA3]

In the final fight he was clearly seen appearing instantly from one spot to the other in blurry moments.

And Cole's lightning would still be eaten by Laxus.

 

[CNBA3]

I was gonna ask how regen and resurrection interact with FL

Well, Makarov was resurrected with the One Magic after he succumbed to it's side effects of using it on too many people

 

[The_Wright_Way]

In the final fight he was clearly seen appearing instantly from one spot to the other in blurry moments.

And Cole's lightning would still be eaten by Laxus.

That's from him being way faster.

Cole's lightning has killed people who get stronger from contact with lightning. He's not eating it without getting his head blown off.

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

If you look closely, Kessler was hit by Cole's Lightning Storm. Idk what you're talking about. And if you look closely at the Kessler boss fight, Kessler isn't teleporting, he's just moving really fast like Wesker. You can see his outline while he's running around.

We've established that Cole has the higher AP, meaning that Laxus will have difficulty eating it due to it being stronger. And we've established that Cole has dozens of other non-lightning means of harming Laxus.

 

[The_Calaca]

Laxus didn't used FL against Alvarez AFAIR.

And I'm not sure that it truly negates durability because when Makarov 'died' using it a big number of enemies were unaffected.

You can't compare Laxus with Natsu, even if they are both DS. One is a demon from First Generation while Laxus is from Second Generation. We can't assume they can gain new element power eating other elements (and we can't assume they can't either).

While Laxus restores his stamina, Cole heals and restores his stamina. So even if both can fight forever, Cole's AP'd do damage at long term that Laxus can't heal while Cole can.

And Cole's attacks bypasses Laxus's special powers (resistance and absorption).

On top of that, Cole's versatility is far better than spamming electricity and launching an attack that it's unlikely he'd do anyway.

Cole 6/10.

 

[CNBA3]

It is on the gaming wikia about lightning storm where Kessler manages to dodge lightning storm receiving little to no damage.

Dragon Slayers have constantly shown to be uneffected by enemies elemental attacks that are way stronger than themselves. It is only with God Slayer lightning which is prefix with both being able to bypass elemental resistance and unable to be absorbed by regular means

Being a demon has little to no meaning as Natsu was only a demon when he became a demon.

Other than how each generation received DS magic, there is no real difference

 

[PTSOXMONKEY99]

We'll if you watched the cutscene from the game you'd know that's not true

That's some major NLF right there buddy

 

[The_Wright_Way]

It is on the gaming wikia about lightning storm where Kessler manages to dodge lightning storm receiving little to no damage.

Dragon Slayers have constantly shown to be uneffected by enemies elemental attacks that are way stronger than themselves. It is only with God Slayer lightning which is prefix with both being able to bypass elemental resistance and unable to be absorbed by regular means

Cool, Cole still killed him with one.

Cool, same with Kessler and David. Didn't help them.