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Charlotte Katakuri vs Silvers Rayleigh
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Never noticed that wound. Probably because it's so small is irrelevant for scaling purposes.
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There's no baseline Low 6-B in OP.
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Yes, but not to baseline. The difference is unquantifiable.
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People are forget about the fight itself. Try understand a thing: In this site both Katakuri and Rayleigh have the same tier and the same speed. Although one be above the other in one of these factors this is something so small that is irrevelant. I will not consider votes based on "Rayleigh being superior to the point of winning with one-shot" or "Katakuri is slower because he never faced Marco or Kizaru" because in this wiki he isn't yonko level, and if you disagree with this feel free to make a CRT.
Let's talk about their individual powers and abilities (such as vigor, range, intelligence, abilities, haki) without favoritism.
Let's talk about their individual powers and abilities (such as vigor, range, intelligence, abilities, haki) without favoritism.
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No it's not. There's hardly a difference, actually.
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How does that make sense? It's very clear that if anyone was winning, it was Kizaru--and while that could be attributed to Rayleigh's worry about SH's vs Kuma distracting him, he never once gained the advantage in the fight and was being pressured. At the very best, one can only argue that current Rayleigh is = to Kizaru, if not slightly < based on what we've seen.
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Rayliegh held his own against kizaru while being distracted *slightly* on the SH escaping he wasn't completely focused on the fight with kizaru but the same can be said about kizaru who was focus on capturing the SH's but this is about katakuri vs silver
Silver rayliegh loses and both battles because of age.
Someone that's not a valid statement lol because if it wasn't you can use whitebeard as an example "strongest man in the world" fought equally with the admirals but it was stated that his haki deteriorated and so has his stamina and his raw power. So with that being said silver only loses because of old age that's it Hard Diff.
Silver rayliegh loses and both battles because of age.
Someone that's not a valid statement lol because if it wasn't you can use whitebeard as an example "strongest man in the world" fought equally with the admirals but it was stated that his haki deteriorated and so has his stamina and his raw power. So with that being said silver only loses because of old age that's it Hard Diff.
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Even if he was equal or slightly below him we saw from Akainu vs Marco and Jozu that commanders aren't even in the same weight class as admirals. Compare WB vs Akainu to Kaido vs Luffy and remember Katakuri is weaker than Luffy !
@Cin: Rayleigh was losing due to his poor stamina not lack of power.
Furthermore, Kata has absolutely no way of countering Ryu. He'll just get blown up from the inside (and probably speedblitzed since Admirals can keep up with WB while Luffy got speedblitzed by Kaido and remember Luffy is faster than Kata)
Doffy vs Kata would be a high diff fight. Aokiji vs Doffy was a no-diff fight (Though it could be argued he used his hax but It wouldn't have made a difference honestly). Garp vs Marco is another no-diff fight between a Yonko and an admiral and we scale Kata down from Marco !
@Cin: Rayleigh was losing due to his poor stamina not lack of power.
Furthermore, Kata has absolutely no way of countering Ryu. He'll just get blown up from the inside (and probably speedblitzed since Admirals can keep up with WB while Luffy got speedblitzed by Kaido and remember Luffy is faster than Kata)
Doffy vs Kata would be a high diff fight. Aokiji vs Doffy was a no-diff fight (Though it could be argued he used his hax but It wouldn't have made a difference honestly). Garp vs Marco is another no-diff fight between a Yonko and an admiral and we scale Kata down from Marco !
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Someone going to say if they didn't already say it " he swimmed across an entire ocean he has plenty stamina" don't compare fighting stamina with swimming stamina lol
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Also was it stated that he used haki while swimming no but I voted rayliegh earlier because of his wisdom and his sword slash range and already having knowledge of FH by the way that wasnt made clear is this a no prep fight ?
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@Kunglao
Swimming actually does take a lot of effort, especially in ocean water. It's deadly within minutes for humans due to skin functions, and Rayleigh stayed in it for many hours or days.
Staying within ocean water and swimming/killing stuff non-stop for days is a better stamina feat than collapsing after 12 hours of fighting someone, albeit at least Katakuri had injuries.
Swimming actually does take a lot of effort, especially in ocean water. It's deadly within minutes for humans due to skin functions, and Rayleigh stayed in it for many hours or days.
Staying within ocean water and swimming/killing stuff non-stop for days is a better stamina feat than collapsing after 12 hours of fighting someone, albeit at least Katakuri had injuries.
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Yes I see your point Cin but he didn't haki to kill those sea kings if he did oda would have stated that my point is he will need haki to have a chance rayliegh which would drain him much quicker then swimming across an ocean without haki
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Post-TS vs Pre-TS. He probably got back into shape as a result of training Luffy for 2 years. He had probably not done a single strenous action in decades before Kizaru fight
That's an assumption and back n shape doesn't mean he gotten any younger
That's an assumption and back n shape doesn't mean he gotten any younger
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Haki only drains stamina greatly via constant use: see Gear 4th Luffy, or Luffy's statement regarding Katakuri eventually weakening via constant CoO use.
This is never brought up for people who use it on the fly. It's not like Rayleigh is going to go in full-body Haki from start to finish. He wouldn't need Haki to stop attacks from Katakuri.
This is never brought up for people who use it on the fly. It's not like Rayleigh is going to go in full-body Haki from start to finish. He wouldn't need Haki to stop attacks from Katakuri.
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Wait wait why comparing rayliegh to Marco again when silver has ( this is my assumption) been compared to whitebeard by garp "he's a legend" or this statement irrelevant.
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People are comparing the performance from a "top commander" (Marco) to Rayleigh vs Kizaru as a means to compare Kata and Rayleigh. Trying to say they are even.
Honestly, Marco got trolled and he relied heavily on Regen. He was only fighting a casual af Kizaru, and was overpowered by Akainu when he was serious. I doubt Rayleigh, who went even with Kizaru for several minutes and even cut him casually is </= Marco or Katakuri in terms of power.
Honestly, Marco got trolled and he relied heavily on Regen. He was only fighting a casual af Kizaru, and was overpowered by Akainu when he was serious. I doubt Rayleigh, who went even with Kizaru for several minutes and even cut him casually is </= Marco or Katakuri in terms of power.
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Exactly
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At the end of the day:
Rayleigh solo'd out an Admiral for a short perdio and harmed said Admiral while taking no damage whatsoever, even whilst distracted, with said Admiral not taking him lightly.
Marco the Phoenix intercepted a single attack with a huge wind-up from a long range and kicked away said Admiral, with said Admiral mocking Marco's strength in the process and making light(heh) of the situation.
Of note, it is the exact same Admiral in both instances.
Literally in what world is a person who scales from the latter person comparable to the former, physically? This is mind-boggling that people are even engaging this doublethink.
Rayleigh solo'd out an Admiral for a short perdio and harmed said Admiral while taking no damage whatsoever, even whilst distracted, with said Admiral not taking him lightly.
Marco the Phoenix intercepted a single attack with a huge wind-up from a long range and kicked away said Admiral, with said Admiral mocking Marco's strength in the process and making light(heh) of the situation.
Of note, it is the exact same Admiral in both instances.
Literally in what world is a person who scales from the latter person comparable to the former, physically? This is mind-boggling that people are even engaging this doublethink.
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What are the votes, im pretty sure Rayliegh has hit 7 all ready
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Rayleigh knows about the ability to see slightly ahead in the future. He said so while talking to Luffy.
I'm pretty positive that, since he knows about this ability, he's had experience with dealing with it before. Not to mention, he's had much more time training and honing his Haki than Katakuri.
I'm pretty positive that, since he knows about this ability, he's had experience with dealing with it before. Not to mention, he's had much more time training and honing his Haki than Katakuri.
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At this point the thread should probably be closed. All votes for Rayleigh amount to:
"Ray=Whitebeard=Kizaru"
Which isn't accurate at all.
The only one who's formed half decent argument is @Cin-Cameron, and even its over-hyping Goken and underseliing everything else.
I still vote for Katakuri obviously but I also recommend this being closed until a time when we actually see Goken used in combat. The effectiveness of that ability is literally the only chance Rayleigh has from not getting destroyed in this fight.
"Ray=Whitebeard=Kizaru"
Which isn't accurate at all.
The only one who's formed half decent argument is @Cin-Cameron, and even its over-hyping Goken and underseliing everything else.
I still vote for Katakuri obviously but I also recommend this being closed until a time when we actually see Goken used in combat. The effectiveness of that ability is literally the only chance Rayleigh has from not getting destroyed in this fight.
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Yes he used it at the auction house pre-time skip to knock out all the celestial dragons and wealthy folksQuibster said:
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Kuri>Smoothie>Cracker>Demon=Kuzan>Kizaru=Dark King
Kuri stomps hard
Kuri stomps hard
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Who's the demon?
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facepalm best charcter of all time
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