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Characters scaled from Katana and Spider-Man need to have their statistics revised
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ILL if I can find them
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Has somebody asked ALL of the following people to help out here yet?
Matthew Schroeder, Kepekley23, Sandman31, KLOL506, Zensum, TheC2, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Qawsedf234, PrinceOfTheMorning, MrKingOfNegativity, Yobo Blue, Hykuu, Ultima Reality.
Matthew Schroeder, Kepekley23, Sandman31, KLOL506, Zensum, TheC2, Crimson Azoth, Eficiente, Qawsedf234, PrinceOfTheMorning, MrKingOfNegativity, Yobo Blue, Hykuu, Ultima Reality.
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Huesito, I am more than happy to evaluate the calculations you have posted. However, could you please paste them into a blog first to just make it easier on the rest of us? We would rather not be linking to a thread for every character.
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Evaluated them. Long story short, 1 and 5 were ok, 2, 3 and 4 were all unacceptable due to the inverse square law/the wrong formula/both
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Sounds like a plan
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Are there any people here, particularly staff members and experienced editors, who are willing to start handling it?
Please remember to follow our standard conventions as usual:
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Please remember to follow our standard conventions as usual:
Common Editing Mistakes
Standard Format for Character Profiles
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I can assist. Just need to know which characters I'm dealing with
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Does every character in there need their tier updated to 9-A using the new calculation? Or is it only a few?
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Well I'm going to bed now, but I should be able to do this tomorrow morning.
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Wait
4 is fine
Sorry, I wrote that message at midnight and wasn't thinking super hard
4 is fine
Sorry, I wrote that message at midnight and wasn't thinking super hard
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I still think Marvel 8-As should be discussed at the very least. All of them are currently scaling from Deadpool, Wolverine and Captain America.
Problem with these are that Captain America's calc isn't accepted and both Wolverine's and Deadpool's feats are durability feats, as well as gag feats, both from characters able to regenerate, and probably the most inconsistent of the bunch (We literally had to assume adamantium has dura negation to make any sense of Wolvie's power level). All of these characters are definitely below Spidey's level by a longshot, and are potrayed to be closer to the Punisher, Kingpin and Daredevil's level.
I know this is adding to the workload, but I think it's an important enough topic
Problem with these are that Captain America's calc isn't accepted and both Wolverine's and Deadpool's feats are durability feats, as well as gag feats, both from characters able to regenerate, and probably the most inconsistent of the bunch (We literally had to assume adamantium has dura negation to make any sense of Wolvie's power level). All of these characters are definitely below Spidey's level by a longshot, and are potrayed to be closer to the Punisher, Kingpin and Daredevil's level.
I know this is adding to the workload, but I think it's an important enough topic
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Captain America (It is accepted)
Deadpool His blog of feats plus 1 more
Black Panther 1
Archangel 1 Amazingly it's already in his profile, but you would never guess it
Wolverine His feat plus another 1 I found
Cable has actually 3, heck he has two unquantifiable supporting feats because there's nothing to scale from, in creating giant explosions visible from hills and cutting entire sea cliffs from the top of it's height to where is touches the water with his weapons.
Black Knight 1 and a unquantifiable supporting feat that can only be B or higher
Deadpool His blog of feats plus 1 more
Black Panther 1
Archangel 1 Amazingly it's already in his profile, but you would never guess it
Wolverine His feat plus another 1 I found
Cable has actually 3, heck he has two unquantifiable supporting feats because there's nothing to scale from, in creating giant explosions visible from hills and cutting entire sea cliffs from the top of it's height to where is touches the water with his weapons.
Black Knight 1 and a unquantifiable supporting feat that can only be B or higher
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Captain America one wasn't because it isn't clear how much of the effect of the explosion was absorbed by his shield.
Thank you, I reckon then those calculations should be used to scale then, instead of the previous ones, since they are of slightly questionable nature
Thank you, I reckon then those calculations should be used to scale then, instead of the previous ones, since they are of slightly questionable nature
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The explosion is around him, the shield doesn't matter.
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Logically that would be correct, but logic rarely applies to that shield; "That Shield does not obey the laws of physics at all" As some kid once said.
Looking at the feat in question it doesn't even seem to get past his shield at first (on the first page): https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Marvel:_Captain_America_Tanks_Something
Of course the second page is where the crater appears "less than a minute later" but, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that not a large rock sitting behind Cap in that top panel? Seems the blast ricocheted off Caps sheild enough to protect that rock and therefore most of his body, as he states so himself: "You're a Fool, Superia! The force of your blast ricocheted off my shield and struck your precious Invisible Barrier!"
Granted I'm sure he took a very small portion of the blasts heat considering a good amount of his clothes is scatered off but that seems to be worst of it.
Looking at the feat in question it doesn't even seem to get past his shield at first (on the first page): https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Darkanine/Marvel:_Captain_America_Tanks_Something
Of course the second page is where the crater appears "less than a minute later" but, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that not a large rock sitting behind Cap in that top panel? Seems the blast ricocheted off Caps sheild enough to protect that rock and therefore most of his body, as he states so himself: "You're a Fool, Superia! The force of your blast ricocheted off my shield and struck your precious Invisible Barrier!"
Granted I'm sure he took a very small portion of the blasts heat considering a good amount of his clothes is scatered off but that seems to be worst of it.
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Captain America's Shield is not the Ebony Blade where it completely absorbs and reflects all attacks, which the sword itself actually legit breaks physics being Magic and being made from a piece of the Big Bang itself. It was agreed a while back that even Sam Wilson with his Vibranium wings would still receive atleast 50 percent of the damage from a city destroying bomb dispite the comic suggesting the wings absorbed most of the damage. Which is what Matt agreed with the Cap feat being 50 precent.
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I personally think that the feat being considered for pulverization is just hiding the outlier, the high end that would make Cap 7-C is just as likely given the crater is glowing white.
Calcs that are lowballed just to be consistent are a no-no as well.
Calcs that are lowballed just to be consistent are a no-no as well.
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From what I've seen, we just need the attack to be produce signs of heat for vaporization to be assumed, and glowing white/orange coloration is a telltale sign of heat.
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Ok, from the looks of things, the only page that requires unlocking is Batman (Post-Crisis)
The rest seem good. I'll get started
The rest seem good. I'll get started
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That part of the calculation should still be ok?
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Maybe we need to discuss that/recalc a new feat
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Ah here is one of the comments, apparently Batman has dodged lightning before could be a outliner though.
"For Katana's speed feat, I'm pretty sure even the speed was exaggerated based on the input from a couple Calc Group members. Batman does have plenty of 9-A feats for sure; punching harder than a rocket launcher as the one Matt mentioned sounds like 9-A. Not sure about 8-C, but there is a notable common error with surviving big explosions that not everyone scales to the full impact. Someone did mention lightning dodging feats, which could save the Massively Hypersonic ratings."
"For Katana's speed feat, I'm pretty sure even the speed was exaggerated based on the input from a couple Calc Group members. Batman does have plenty of 9-A feats for sure; punching harder than a rocket launcher as the one Matt mentioned sounds like 9-A. Not sure about 8-C, but there is a notable common error with surviving big explosions that not everyone scales to the full impact. Someone did mention lightning dodging feats, which could save the Massively Hypersonic ratings."
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