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Satan's godhood literally comes from his heart and his wings, so yes.
Although, he literally just adapted to that later and resisted all of Mujin's hax.
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Champions of the Gods: 666:Satan vs Kratos (GRACE)
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Although, he literally just adapted to that later and resisted all of Mujin's hax.
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I may be misunderstanding but this seems like he absorbed them as opposed to just dissipating his magic.
If he does adapt to this sort of thing though then I guess it doesn't matter too much.
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Satan doesn't use Magic to fuel his powers so if the nullification is through the dissipation of it, it wouldn't work.
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Kratos hax works down to life force and soul, so it isn't limited to magic
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Yeah, power is tied to the soul by quite a bit in God of War. Magic isn't the end-all, be all of it.
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Powernull on an abstract level
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His powers extend to being's souls is what we mean.
Also, man. Kratos' fights are either stomps or he's on the edge of death all day. Man can never have a simple match.
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That's when he truly shines tbh
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Satan is also getting conceptually murked so....
There's also time hax
There's also time hax
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The Time Stop and Hax also has Stat Reduction.
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And he can use this before Satan nukes the area by existing and kills Kratos? Keep in mind Satan is stronger than mfs who can destroy planets basically by existing, so he doesn't even need to touch Kratos to kill him.
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Gotcha. He already has resistance to power absorption in his profile, so I was just curious as it to the feat. I’m reworking god of highschool profiles right now cause some of the profiles need reworking (including Satan’s) in the future.
But really until that’s done I think Kratos probably has more options against Satan. I think Satan can win but it’s a pretty tight squeeze to do.
Satan insta starts with his telepathy + power mimicry hax and then spams clones. He’s like an actual pain to fight right. Which I think is a hard thing to counter especially right off the bat for Kratos but otherwise if Kratos can get a good hit with one of his abilities on Satan, he wouldn’t be able to adapt to the 4-D hax he has.
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Yeah but he also did it by literally just sitting there doing literally nothing. Imagine how fast he grows when he's actually in a fight.
And even discarding this he has a superior growth rate to people who can indeed one-shot people stronger than them or comparable within mere moments.
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Yeah. Mujin’s words were “it’s only been a couple of hours for him.” Mind you he had both his arms missing and he was literally weaker than Mori DAN at the time.
And he went to that in “a couple of hours.”
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Satan doesn't KI Crush people by existing from what I remember reading, like at all. He prolly could do something of the sort but I can't recall that ever just happening right of the bat.
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People weaker than him do this-
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Good for them. I dunno why I'm to assume that something a character never does would be applied to him. I'd also say I doubt the weaker character bit but it's been a hot minute since I read GoH so I could be wrong, so just ignore that.
Also, the AD purported to be that fast didn't do the instantaneous power gap closing in the very same instance its first showcased so I'm not sure about putting all stock in "instantaneously blitzes and oneshots the opponent".
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Satan is definitely stronger in this key than a 4-B Mori, who can indeed just exist and destroy planets if he goes all out. It's not an active decision Satan makes, it's just a byproduct of his strength, and the strength of those comparable to him.
This also isn't even considering that Satan already does have planetary even without this so he can indeed nuke the area with his attacks.
It doesn't need to be instantaneous when he did it literally by just sitting there doing nothing? I don't understand this claim at all.
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Just to clarify.
It took him a “couple of hours” to get massively stronger than he previously was while he was missing both his arms, his heart leaving a cross shaped hole in his mid region, all of his power and his wings. Not even that since he got bored before he was called and had to sit around.
In fights Satan does continue to keep getting stronger even as he gets pushed back.
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Satan doing this aside, why are we even assuming that he's radiating enough power to damage relative opponents rather than what the aura showcases anyway? I'm of the understanding we don't treat shockwaves that way
My point isn't that he can't outgrow Kratos in physical statistics (he very much will) but the speed at which he does so in the very same instance that justifies it isn't to the degree necessary to stop Kratos from making a gesture (Zeus' Fury and Army of Hades) or just thinking (Poseidon's Rage and Amulet of Ouroborous).
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He's not that far off but whatever. My main question is why we assume passive Tier 5 shockwaves are relative to the characters own statistics.
Again, I know he grows stronger. But like, in that immediate instant he doesn't become several dozen times stronger or faster (unless Mujin also has some nonsense AD). Certainly not to the point of making previously equal matches in speed unable to think when they have precognition and know what to do.
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The shockwaves aren't Tier 5, they are Tier 4, as they are relative to Satan's [or insert character]'s strength.
And even if we are to assume that they are not (since apparently the site does not treat shockwaves that way?) Satan still can just create shockwaves from his actual physical attacks which are indeed comparable to him.
He literally can do this, though.
He has a superior growth rate to Mori Dan, who can instantly close an 8x power and speed gap in a few seconds. The same Mori Dan who can go from Low 4-C to 4-C, from 4-C up to 4-B, and even higher then on with his accelerated development.
Satan also grew fast enough to rival Mujin after Mujin blitzed all of his clones (as well as the entire Divine Realm) with Longinus and stole his heart.
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I don't think this is anywhere near a stomp, no. Not with Kratos' hax (which you and other GoW supporters think he can indeed pull of before being defeated).
I just think Satan has a higher chance of defeating Kratos before he can use any of his item-based hax. So it's a VERY close match.
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I think Satan in character can win against Kratos. I think it would just be a tough fight for him to do because Kratos has got such deadly counters.
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Basically what I think but dumbed down.
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Satan fra
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I vote Kratos via clairvoyance/intuition/analysis, optimal battle strategy, one shot hax, and liberal use of time stop to end match.
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I think he was referring to that guy saying "one shot hax"
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