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Notice how that's in a separate section away from sharingan genjustu?
It's not linked to genjustu at all and the scan showing Sasuke doing so isn't even him using genjustu. He just menacingly stares at Sai.
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Shibai Ōtsutsuki vs 666:Satan - Ōtsutsuki God vs The Champion Among Gods
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Notice how that's in a separate section away from sharingan genjustu?
It's not linked to genjustu at all and the scan showing Sasuke doing so isn't even him using genjustu. He just menacingly stares at Sai.
GodSinBad2280
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Genjutsu ≠ Fear hax. They cannot be scaled together, so this doesn't count as a layer.
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Yeah you don't know what you are saying. Sasuke can use his genjutsu, to cause Fear. Genjutsu is not only for Mind manipulation.
azontr
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Sasuke did not use a Genjutsu here. His eyes just cause fear manipulation, as Sai quite literally says. Sasuke just has aura with Sharingan.
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GodSinBad2280
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But that doesn't add any layer to Fear Hax at all.
azontr
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The creator of the blog can be wrong. Nothing indicates that Sasuke uses a Genjutsu there. Fancy visuals accompanying fear manipulation is common in fiction.
Even if, hypothetically, it was a Genjutsu, the fear manipulation would not be layered, because the layering blog specifically specifies that the layers are for Illusions, not fear manipulation.
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He can make scary illusions that's not fear manipulation in the supernatural sense but in the sense of "aaah Freddy Fazbear goes hur hur hurhurhur hur hur hur hur" meaning it doesn't actually grant layers.
We know this is true because literally not a single other Uchiha (I checked Itachi, Obito, and Madara) has fear manipulation listed in the sharingan section at all while Sasukes fear manipulation is specifically separated from his genjutsu.
Yeah those are EFFECTS of the genjustu my abilities of the genjutsu. It's like how genjutsu has paralysis because it can make you think you're tied to a tree by creating an illusion of it. That doesn't make the paralysis itself layered, just the illusions that cause it.
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I find it crazy he's actually trying to push this when Sasukes profile straight up separates it from genjutsu and none of other vastly more skilled sharingan users have it listed at all.
I get he's desperately trying to find anything he can but this is borderline ratty
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Being fair to @UchihaSlayer96 at least it was like 2-3 years ago he made the statement, so it's not like he's a fraud.
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Sasuke's fear hax isn't as a result of a general product of sharingan genjutsu
It's listed as a user specific trait for him
As such, it can’t be cross scaled with the genjutsu potency scaling
Besides, nobody resists the fear hax aspect of it. So it does nothing for layering
It's listed as a user specific trait for him
As such, it can’t be cross scaled with the genjutsu potency scaling
Besides, nobody resists the fear hax aspect of it. So it does nothing for layering
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Nah Slayer is fine, I feel like he was the one to separate the fear stuff from the rest in Sasukes profile. I'm talking about Lex trying to pass them off as the same thing
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Using illusion to cause fear is a thing.
Fear Manipulation
Fear Manipulation, otherwise known as Fear Inducement is the ability in which to inflict a level of "fear" on the target using supernatural means. Depending on the severity of the fear, the user can use this to manipulate the target, incapacitate them or simply drive them insane. It should be...
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GodSinBad2280
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That is Mind, and the nature of Fear Hax is very different.
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Even if he gets past the fear hax, Shibai still has to deal with far greater LS and AP, along with a 250k stat amp.
He's losing this match up 10 times out of 10
He's losing this match up 10 times out of 10
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You guys are making this fear manipulation look like a big deal which is not. Shibai resist that fear manipulation easy.
This is what sasuke did
This is what sasuke did
- Neurological: Characters possessing this type of Fear Manipulation use Mind Manipulation and other related powers to directly influence the opponent into being afraid. It can be resisted with sufficient Resistance to Mind Manipulation
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Yeah no. Once that fear manipulation trash wincon dies off then we get to the game. Also, Sasuke indeed has layered fear manipulation with his genjutsu.
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Ironclad retort.
Edit: dammit azontr delete your message
Edit: dammit azontr delete your message
Testarossa002
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As a possible usageUsing illusion to cause fear is a thing.
Fear Manipulation
Fear Manipulation, otherwise known as Fear Inducement is the ability in which to inflict a level of "fear" on the target using supernatural means. Depending on the severity of the fear, the user can use this to manipulate the target, incapacitate them or simply drive them insane. It should be...
Not an inherent aspect of it
Before we have a back and forth on this, "possible usage" means things that are within the realm of possibility for an ability
For example, Mind hax can cause Madness hax. But it's not a default relationship
azontr
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my bad pookiedammit azontr delete your message
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Lex nobody is saying otherwise. The issue is that using layered illusion/mind manip to create scary shit doesn't contribute to layered fear manip, and Sasukes fear manipulation is a separate thing from his general genjutsu hax.Using illusion to cause fear is a thing.
Fear Manipulation
Fear Manipulation, otherwise known as Fear Inducement is the ability in which to inflict a level of "fear" on the target using supernatural means. Depending on the severity of the fear, the user can use this to manipulate the target, incapacitate them or simply drive them insane. It should be...
First of all not according to his profile nor according to any other Uchihas profile.
Second of all, that wouldn't make fear manipulation layered in any way shape or form. It would only give him the same type of Fear manipulation as Scott Cawthon has for making the FNAF games which can't even really produce layers.
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Isn't this match ready to enter grace?
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No, sasuke Fear manipulation is indeed part of his genjutsu hax. You calling it scary shit changes nothing because it is already accepted as an effect of his genjutsu.
azontr
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Idk when votes reached 7, but by now we're somewhat into grace, yeah.
Success0906
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Okay sorry, it was just made yesterday. How have you guys made it to 5 pages already? And most of the arguments are repeated, too! Please don't derail any further. Since most arguments are already present, you can just ignore others' comments unless new members ask for clarification.
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Well because they keep using wincon that does not exist. Literally spamming Fear hax like it as any effects.
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I updated the votes and we've already entered Grace when @Wesker018 voted for Satan, which was Yesterday.
Now we need to figure out if this thread can be applied to the profiles, or is it too much of a stomp for Satan.
Now we need to figure out if this thread can be applied to the profiles, or is it too much of a stomp for Satan.
Success0906
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I just refreshed my page but someone deleted their comment before I could fully read it. It said, on quote, "Based on false evidence?" Please refrain from making such comments. Just because your reasoning isn't heard and appreciated doesn't necessarily mean that it's the absolute right one and others are wrong.
It could get you reported. Don't tickle a pickle that doesn't want to be pickled. (I don't care enough to report, though).
It could get you reported. Don't tickle a pickle that doesn't want to be pickled. (I don't care enough to report, though).
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Then, it can be ignored and the thread can move on. There is no point in keep refuting each other if no one is gonna reach a logical conclusion.
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His profile quite literally separates sharingan genjustu and other abilities. Like it's on the profile with big bolded letters
It actually changes everything because creating scary shit can't produce layers. Watching one scary movie, not being afraid, and then watching another and being afraid doesn't give the other movie layered fear manipulation. It just means the second movie is scarier.
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The stomp comes from the idea that Shibai does not resist 3 layered fear hax, which is far from the case. As I mentioned sasuke has at least 5 layers with his Genjustu and fear manipulation is one of the effects he can cause. Further more based on the Otustuki physiology they resist Sasuke genjutsu.
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Even if Shibai hypothetically resists the fear hax (he doesn't, but let's pretend for a second he does), he has literally no way to avoid getting eviscerated by literally anything Satan does. A single wrong twitch of a muscle would annihilate Shibai and the vicinity, no intent to attack even required.
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I don't know why this getting drawn out
The otsutsuki don't have any sort of resistance to fear hax on their physiology page. Not to talk of layers
Vs matches are debated based on what's on the pages.
If you feel strongly about it, go and make a CRT to get it accepted
If you think there's more, go make a CRT
The otsutsuki don't have any sort of resistance to fear hax on their physiology page. Not to talk of layers
Vs matches are debated based on what's on the pages.
If you feel strongly about it, go and make a CRT to get it accepted
And it's listed what exactly they resist
If you think there's more, go make a CRT
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Coping at this point. Can you not see that otutsuki’s have resistance to mind manipulation?
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Challenger level debater
azontr
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I cannot possibly refute this even with all of my might. You win, Samlex-Sama.
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Say that to David that keeps spamming 3 layered fear hax that is not on the characters page, no blog at all just inverse layers.
