Captain America COUNTRY LEVEL!?

[Dalesean027]

Firstly we have this accepted calc below

Captain America survives a giant explosion

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The thing is both ends are accepted so I'd like to hear others options on which to go with for consistency sake.
The two values are 6.3767192639 Tons of TNT (Large Building level) and 1.807205 Tons of TNT (Building level+)

To these two characters who scale to it currently are those listed below.

Captain America (Marvel's Avengers)

Steve Rogers Born on July 4th, 1920 in Brooklyn to Irish immigrants who fought hard to give their son a good life. Growing up, he had been known to have a taste for hot dogs (especially those sold on Coney Island). Steve was the subject of the United States Army's Project: Rebirth. He was...

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Ms. Marvel (Marvel's Avengers)

Kamala Khan was born in New Jersey to Yusuf and Muneeba Khan, she was the second child, the eldest being her brother Aamir. From a young age, she was a fan of the Avengers. Kamala's biggest idol was Carol Danvers, who operated both as Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel. Five years after the events of...

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Now for the Country level stuff

So while looking for feats for Captain America's shield in Marvel's Avengers I came across this in the Iron Man tie in comic which I hadn't considered before now



we see the Absorbing Man who was amped by Thor's lightning stagger the Hulk with a blow and Captain America's shield was able to damage him and seemingly withstand the blast afterwards as well.

Really I want to know if there is any solid precedent for the shields durability to scale to 6-B

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

It already scales to country level durability

Captain America (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

I can do this all day.Captain America's catchphrase Captain Steven Grant "Steve" Rogers is a World War II veteran, a founding member of the Avengers, and Earth's first super soldier. Rogers had suffered from numerous health problems, and upon America's entry into World War II, was rejected from...

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However with this you could argue it to be country level AP when thrown by Cap as stupid as that sounds

 

[Dalesean027]

It already scales to country level durability

Captain America (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

I can do this all day.Captain America's catchphrase Captain Steven Grant "Steve" Rogers is a World War II veteran, a founding member of the Avengers, and Earth's first super soldier. Rogers had suffered from numerous health problems, and upon America's entry into World War II, was rejected from...

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However with this you could argue it to be country level AP when thrown by Cap as stupid as that sounds

Wrong cap

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Wrong cap

Shit, can you blame me?
Same tier

Anyways this looks fine then

 

[Dalesean027]

Shit, can you blame me?
Same tier

Anyways this looks fine then

Yeah lol I know that what makes it funny and thanks for the input

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I agree with the OP

 

[Dalesean027]

The thing is both ends are accepted so I'd like to hear others options on which to go with for consistency sake.
The two values are 6.3767192639 Tons of TNT (Large Building level) and 1.807205 Tons of TNT (Building level+)

But like which end for this do yall agree with?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But like which end for this do yall agree with?

I'm alright with either

 

[Lonkitt]

Firstly we have this accepted calc below

Captain America survives a giant explosion

vsbattles.fandom.com

The thing is both ends are accepted so I'd like to hear others options on which to go with for consistency sake.
The two values are 6.3767192639 Tons of TNT (Large Building level) and 1.807205 Tons of TNT (Building level+)

To these two characters who scale to it currently are those listed below.

I would say go with the high end. I’m not a calc member so correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the groundburst be more accurate as Cap was inside when he tanked the explosion?

If so, then I’d go with the High 8-C end

 

[Lonkitt]

Also the shield durability is very straightforward. I agree with that too

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

But like which end for this do yall agree with?

Ground-burst since the explosion originated inside the ship and still managed to reach that size even after destroying a metal wall

 

[Therefir]

Hold up, where's the inverse square law formula to get the actual energy Cap is tanking?

 

[Dalesean027]

Hold up, where's the inverse square law formula to get the actual energy Cap is tanking?

He's literally at the epicenter of the blast not even a meter away? Does it apply

 

[Therefir]

He's literally at the epicenter of the blast not even a meter away? Does it apply

Even being 50 centimeters away from the explosion would drastically decrease the amount of energy you are receiving from it, Cap needs to be point-blank to the point bear-hugging to fully scale.

So I would appreciate if someone checked the exact distance away he was from the epicenter of the explosion.

 

[Dalesean027]

Even being 50 centimeters away from the explosion would drastically decrease the amount of energy you are receiving from it, Cap needs to be point-blank to the point bear-hugging to fully scale.

So I would appreciate if someone checked the exact distance away he was from the epicenter of the explosion.

It's in the clip on the blog like he punches the thing that immediately causes the explosion on contact so he should literally be touching it

@Dalesean027 said this at the top of the blog:

See here

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Even being 50 centimeters away from the explosion would drastically decrease the amount of energy you are receiving from it, Cap needs to be point-blank to the point bear-hugging to fully scale.

So I would appreciate if someone checked the exact distance away he was from the epicenter of the explosion.

He was literally the one who caused it by attacking the reactor, causing it to explode right on him

 

[Therefir]

Just checked the scene, it should be fine then.

 

[KLOL506]

Even being 50 centimeters away from the explosion would drastically decrease the amount of energy you are receiving from it, Cap needs to be point-blank to the point bear-hugging to fully scale.

The threshold for that to qualify would be less than 0.23-0.3 meters depending on your height and mass, correct. I'd know, I used the inverse-square law formula and tried it out on the average cross-sectional area, bare minimum distance from epicenter you need to be close to, in order to scale to full yield is 0.23-0.24 m (For any kind of explosion), you get more leeway and can be farther away if you're taller and heavier which'd result in a bigger cross-sectional area.

So I would appreciate if someone checked the exact distance away he was from the epicenter of the explosion.

That should preferably be done.

 

[Dalesean027]

He was literally the one who caused it by attacking the reactor, causing it to explode right on him

That should preferably be done

Its right here he's literally making contact with it

 

[KLOL506]

Its right here he's literally making contact with it

Try arm length.

EDIT: NVM, it's good.

 

[Therefir]

The threshold for that to qualify would be less than 0.23-0.3 meters depending on your height and mass.

Yes, using the formula below those values get higher results than the explosion itself for some reason, but it looks like Cap was directly attacking the source with a punch, and that what was caused the explosion.

Without any context I would think Cap is an idiot.

 

[Dalesean027]

Try arm length.

EDIT: NVM, it's good.

Okay

 

[Dalesean027]

Without any context I would think Cap is an idiot.

Nah he actually more lives than not doing that, its a while plot thing with the kree lol

 

[Dalesean027]

As CGMs do you think the groundburst or air works better? People seem to think groundburst is fine

 

[KLOL506]

I'm thinking airburst, since the reactor was technically suspended in mid-air from the looks of it.

Not sure if it's nuclear so division by half would take place if not nuclear in nature.

 

[Dalesean027]

I'm thinking airburst, since the reactor was technically suspended in mid-air from the looks of it.

Not sure if it's nuclear so division by half would take place if not nuclear in nature.

Okay and I already did all that I just skipped putting it in the blog the results are good

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay I'll wait a bit to apply the changes if that's fine

 

[Therefir]

As CGMs do you think the groundburst or air works better? People seem to think groundburst is fine

I would say airburst, it has some space to expand in different directions.

 

[Dalesean027]

I would say airburst, it has some space to expand in different directions.

I'm thinking airburst, since the reactor was technically suspended in mid-air from the looks of it.

Alrighty and thanks to the both of you for coming and giving your input, its much appreciated

 

[Dalesean027]

okay going to apply the changes now

 

[Dalesean027]

oh wow thanks @MARVEL_Future_Fight_Gamer I didn't realize you had already done so thanks man I appreciate it, this can be closed

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

OOh
I can make a matchup now with my character now that he's been upgraded

 

[Dalesean027]

OOh
I can make a matchup now with my character now that he's been upgraded

??

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

??

Reg from Made in Abyss
Both have nearly the same AP and speed

 

[Dalesean027]

Reg from Made in Abyss
Both have nearly the same AP and speed

Ah interesting okay def link that to me

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Ah interesting okay def link that to me

https://vsbattles.com/threads/captain-america-fights-a-child.147766/

It's up

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Okay so guys I know it looks bad that I'm saying this right after I made a match with my character but I actually don't believe Cap shield hits should be 6-B

The reason why?

I decided to go read the comics after this thread and with full context it seems like Caps shield knocked him into the water which caused the explosion due to the energy dispersing in the water

And this isn't just a theory because in the Hulk comic after it we see Bruce fight a being of pure energy much like Absorbing Man and he defeats him by doing the same exact thing, knocking him into the water


Which is really similar to the absorbing man explosion




I still haven't changed my opinion on the shields Durability being 6-B tho that seems like a given


Dalesean for pointing this out I'd like to make up for it by giving Iron Man a new ability

Based on this panel Iron Man should have Sound Manipulation

 

[Dalesean027]

Okay so guys I know it looks bad that I'm saying this right after I made a match with my character but I actually don't believe Cap shield hits should be 6-B

The reason why?

I decided to go read the comics after this thread and with full context it seems like Caps shield knocked him into the water which caused the explosion due to the energy dispersing in the water

And this isn't just a theory because in the Hulk comic after it we see Bruce fight a being of pure energy much like Absorbing Man and he defeats him by doing the same exact thing, knocking him into the water


Which is really similar to the absorbing man explosion




I still haven't changed my opinion on the shields Durability being 6-B tho that seems like a given


Dalesean for pointing this out I'd like to make up for it by giving Iron Man a new ability

Based on this panel Iron Man should have Sound Manipulation

And yeah i'm thinking maybe AP should go as well and we just keep dura, oh that and cap should have enhanced senses and Resistance to disease manip for this since he says he's been dealing with the exact same thing as Spider-Man for 90 years getting enhanced senses and being cured of asthma by the serum




I agree on the iron man stuff as well hes also the one who made all the sonic weapons for SHIELD that AIM stole so there's that as well

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

And yeah i'm thinking maybe AP should go as well and we just keep dura, oh that and cap should have enhanced senses for this

Yea that seems like a given

I agree on the iron man stuff as well hes also the one who made all the sonic weapons for SHIELD that AIM stole so there's that as well

Glad I could help

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Based on this Black Widow should also have Resistance to sound manipulation