Broly upgrade (And ability additions)

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Broly should upgrade to 3-C


Verse: Dragon Ball

Description/Feats:

Broly should upgrade to 3-C

Now in awe of the new movie coming out I wanna see if we can get Broly an upgrade to Galaxy level. Now I think it is possible, because of his universal scaling feats so let's just do some quick calulations.

Movie 8 Dragon Ball Z: Broly ― The Legendary Super Saiyan takes place in an alternate dimension during Cell Saga.
Goku was at age of 31 Years during the Cell Saga.
Broly was at a similar age as Goku therefore in Movie 8 Broly is at a age of 31 Years.
It was stated multiple times that Restricted Broly is a threat to the Universe.
Assuming that Saiyans can live 100 Years then Restricted Broly has 69 Years to Destroy the Universe.
Using this we can figure out how Powerful Restricted Broly is.

Energy required to destroy the universe = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules

And time taken = 69 years

Restricted Broly's Power = Energy required to destroy the Universe / Time take
Restricted Broly's Power = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules / 69 Years
Restricted Broly's Power = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules / 2176260000 Seconds
Restricted Broly's Power = 3.2708137e+83 Joules/Seconds.

This is also a Lowball as this considers that Broly doesn't need to Rest.
This calc is for Restricted Broly, to find out how powerful Legendary Super Saiyan Broly is we need to find out the Multiplier for Legendary Super Saiyan Form.

Multiplier of Legendary Super Saiyan

According to Dragon Ball the Legend of Manga guide Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks is 10 times stronger than Super Saiyan Trunks https://bit.ly/2OxntpP Super Saiyan 2 is Super Saiyan Grade 3 but with no speed reduction as stated by Trunks
Therefore Super Saiyan 2 has a Multiplier of 500 x Base
In Movie 8 Base Gohan was relative to Super Saiyan Broly
But then Gohan transforms into a Super Saiyan 2 and is weaker than Legendary Super Saiyan Broly to the point where Gohan was turned into his Base form because the sheer beating he took from Broly.
This means the difference between Super Saiyan 2 Gohan and Base Gohan is lower than Legendary Super Saiyan Broly and Super Saiyan Broly.
Therefore Legendary Super Saiyan Broly is atleast at bare minimum a has a multiplier of 500 x Super Saiyan .
Note - In this calc I used Super Saiyan as 50 x Base because only Super Saiyan (Grade 4) = 1/2 x Super Saiyan 2 and Broly doesn't have Super Saiyan (Grade 4).

Low Ball:

(If Legendary Super Saiyan = 500 x Restricted Broly)
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 500 x Restricted Broly
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 500 x 3.2708137e+83 Joules/Seconds
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 1.6354068e+86 Joules/Seconds

Legendary Super Saiyan Broly can exert 1.6354068e+86 Joules Joules/Second or 1.6354068 TenateraFoe/Second.
That's 163,540,680,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (163.54068 Septenvigintillion) Joules/Second.

High Ball:

(If Legendary Super Saiyan = 500 x Super Saiyan x Restricted Broly)
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 25,000 x Restricted Broly
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 25,000 x 3.2708137e+83 Joules/Seconds
Legendary Super Saiyan Broly = 8.1770343e+87 Joules/Seconds

Legendary Super Saiyan Broly can exert 8.1770343e+87 Joules / Second or 8.1770343 TenateraFoe/Second.
That's 8,177,034,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (8.1770343 Octovigintillion) Joules/Second.


Assuming it takes "Seismic energy * area = E

• E = 2760000000*2.4320086e+54 = 1.5118952e+65 joules (Multi-Solar System level)" Credits to Kepekley23 ;3To shake the universe.
• E = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules (Universal Level)
• then at the very least Broly should scale to the lower end of 3-C or REALLY HIGH END of 4-A

The feat starts at beginning of the video and it took 20 seconds in real time for him to do it

Even if you logically say it took a couple of years that was him restricted one and based on the fact that at the beginning of the movie king kai talks about broly destroying the galax, we can maybe say tell he took a few years(anywhere from 1-5 years seems logical) to do it maximum. It wouldn't be anywhere near 10 years or else king kai would have already contacted goku ages before he did in the movie.

Also here are some scans for Broly's abilities

[1]

This is him considering Buu btw as "dirt" This can be confirmed canon for this Broly since it's using the Broly from the continuity don't think I need to explain that further or you can take this here where feat starts at 2:04
He finds Gohan and it's not plausible he found him through speed or "super senses" Also Statement showing (Excluding BoG and Revival F), Broly is the strongest movie villain to date [2] Also "Even including the TV anime, nobody exist in the world who's stronger than Broli" Meaning at the time this was quoted GT had been out, if this includes the anime Broly was considered stronger than the GT top teirs -Mid teirs bare minimum-. Also just another reason Broly (non-Canon) can be bumped to 3-C


And he has a higher rate of "evolving through battle" than other saiyans [3]

This scan also says the same thing basically [4]

I feel as though Broly is being massivley downplayed in abilities as well as strength, but do what you want I've provided all the proof needed.

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[BlackeJan]

Just letting u know we don't accept multipliers unless they can be consistent though him being high in the 4-A sounds consistent tbh

 

[Mr_John_West]

Broly should be galaxy level regardless. King Kai felt at the rate hs is going he can destroy his northern galaxy next, which is on the other side of the universe. The issue with the galaxy scene is that their is too many interpertation of it, but if the writer believes Broly can destroy galaxies than he is a galaxy buster as that is what they intended with the galaxy scene.

People have to remember that the galaxy scene wasn't random destruction, but a planned idea from Paragus to fool Vegeta about the legendary super saiyan. Broly either destroy chunks in 1 go ( which justifies Paragus statement of Broly destroys parts of a galaxy) or one-shot the whole thing but left planets or stars for Vegeta to go waste his time hunting down Broly just like the statement in the movie about how the legendary super saiyan appeared on Planet Todokama.


More incline to believe he one-shot it since it goes in 1 singular motion and the sound isn't broken apart but conitunious when the galaxy is destroyed. Regardless, destroy a dot in a galaxy is still small-galaxy level to galaxy level itself, and this is a restrained SSj.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

We need calc members and I also think him being an extreamly heavy hitter in 4-B would b e ok

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

bamp

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Makes sense to me

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

00f no calc members ^ than you @above

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

I'ma make a blog post for this

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Changes have been made please review

 

[Dark649]

My review: We don't abuse powerscaling/multipliers like this and form boosts speculations based on guides, even 4-A for Broly is doubted because we don't know how much time it took him to ravage the galaxy, obliviously he can't oneshot it. Also 3-C is reserved to the GT Galaxy because they are much stronger than Anime Kid Buu, who has a high level 4-A feat, which invalidates 3-C Broly.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Ok, so he isn't 3-C via scaling period I'll agree. However him being a high 4-A I think should be valid however. Via the lowball scale he should be a very heavy hitter in 4-A category. And also "via powerscaling" there was an episode when Broly was ressurected in GT verse making him Canon within the verse could that possibly work?


Also I didn't mean he one shot it. I meant he took out huge chunks and within his life span it had to have happened in less then a day. "Reason" Because he was shown becoming to uncontrolable without Goku being there. Him being a Super Saiyan for too long would most likley overwhelm the control I would suggest an hour it took him to do that considering the fact he with a regular ki blast completley destroyed a planet that couldn't be too close to that planet they were on

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

My review: We don't abuse powerscaling like this and form boosts speculations based on guides, even 4-A for Broly doubted because we don't know how much time it took him to ravage the galaxy, obliviously he can't oneshot it. Also 3-C is reserved to the GT Galaxy because they are much stronger than Anime Kid Buu, who has a high level 4-A feat, which invalidates 3-C Broly.

Thank you for reviewing btw

 

[Son_of_the_Prince]

Shouldn't Broly be at least 4-C as a Super Saiyan and 3-B as a Legendary Super Saiyan? We already have a statement from Takao Koyama, the director of every DBZ movie, saying that he's above everyone even in the TV anime. Meaning he's stronger than Vegito, Janemba and Hirudegan.

Then we have a statement that he would destroy the entire universe within a lifetime. Now, considering that saiyan lifespans are just the same as humans, the average saiyan lifetime is 79 years. But as Broly is clearly above the average saiyan, lets say he lives for 100 years. As he's the same age as Goku (31), it would take him 69 years (a bit of a low ball) to destroy the entire universe. Assuming Broly does this without rest, no sleep and limitless energy supplies, this feat would amount to sexvigintillion joules per second, which is Multi-Galaxy level at bare minimum. And remember that statement about Broly being the strongest no mattter what? That was given after Movie 11, meaning Bio-Broly being weaker than his Movie 10 version is just bias due to the shittiness known as DBZ: Bio-Broly.

So...any questions?

 

[Firestorm808]

@Dark649 Aren't the Movies from a different continuity than the Anime series as stated by Toriyama. Wouldn't that mean we can't compare Movie Broly to Anime Kid Buu?

 

[Son_of_the_Prince]

@Dark649
Aren't the Movies from a different continuity than the Anime series as stated by Toriyama. Wouldn't that mean we can't compare Movie Broly to Anime Kid Buu?

Pretty Much

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

69 Years was only not a low-ball it's for his "restricted" Super Saiyan. And the statement was saying he's stronger than any movie villain (before BoG's). They are all canologicaly superior to kid buu from second coming and above. It also would equal mid-low 3-C with sexvigintillion tons. If he was Multi-Galaxy Level, he would've destroyed 2-3 galaxies within the time it took him to destroy 1. And remember, the multi-Galactic and galaxy level stuff comes at the time of GT when Goku base is equal to SSJ3 which would then become SSJ4 on top of all that so in his base he was multi-Solar system. In GT Goku was pretty much stronger than everyone ever by himself at the end and everyone but Shenron final Arc.

So he isn't 3-B period at all... But mid-low 3-C and Really High 4-A def.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

Honestly I would say it took him 20 seconds to rek that Galaxy. But it's "speculation" which I do not agree with so I won't use it biasly in Broly's case.

 

[Firestorm808]

Personally, the "threat to the universe" statements seem to be hyperbole if we're going with a billions of galaxies universe instead of a 4 galaxy universe in the Movie continuity.

The GT anime actually has at least 6 galaxies. North, south, east, west, the one Buu destroyed, and the one the previous shadow dragon destroyed.

 

[Son_of_the_Prince]

69 Years was only not a low-ball it's for his "restricted" Super Saiyan. And the statement was saying he's stronger than any movie villain (before BoG's). They are all canologicaly superior to kid buu from second coming and above. It also would equal mid-low 3-C with sexvigintillion tons. If he was Multi-Galaxy Level, he would've destroyed 2-3 galaxies within the time it took him to destroy 1. And remember, the multi-Galactic and galaxy level stuff comes at the time of GT when Goku base is equal to SSJ3 which would then become SSJ4 on top of all that so in his base he was multi-Solar system. In GT Goku was pretty much stronger than everyone ever by himself at the end and everyone but Shenron final Arc.
So he isn't 3-B period at all... But mid-low 3-C and Really High 4-A def.

I did a calc, get someone to check this, will you?

Movie 8 Dragon Ball Z: Broly ― The Legendary Super Saiyan takes place in an alternate dimension during Cell Saga.
Goku was at age of 31 Years during the Cell Saga.
Broly was at a similar age as Goku therefore in Movie 8 Broly is at a age of 31 Years.
It was stated multiple times that Restricted Broly is a threat to the Universe.
Assuming that Saiyans can live 100 Years then Restricted Broly has 69 Years to Destroy the Universe.
Using this we can figure out how Powerful Restricted Broly is.

Restricted Broly's Power = Energy required to destroy the Universe / Time take
Restricted Broly's Power = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules / 69 Years
Restricted Broly's Power = 7.1181410155955957088e+92 Joules / 2176260000 Seconds
Restricted Broly's Power = 3.2708137e+83 Joules/Seconds.

Huh. It's a 3-B feat.

 

[Dark649]

The statement from Takao Koyama cannot be taken because SS2 Gohan [For Broly Movie 8] and Super Buu [For Broly Movie 10] can stomp him [Unless he was referring to Super Broly, who will be rated Low 2-C in his strongest forms], reminder that SS Broly did the over time galaxy destroying stuff. I'm warning that this stuff will be rejected and threated as wank by the other Admins [The reason is in my review], so things will get worst fast if they notice this thread.

 

[Son_of_the_Prince]

All of this stuff will be rejected and threated as wank by the Admins, the reason is in my review. Things will get worst fast if they notice this thread.

Of course it will, I just don't see why the admins can't let go of their previous interpretations of Broly. It's pretty frustrating considering Broly's a lot stronger than we'd originally thought. Maybe this thread should be closed.

 

[AKM sama]

It was stated multiple times that Restricted Broly is a threat to the Universe. Assuming that Saiyans can live 100 Years then Restricted Broly has 69 Years to Destroy the Universe. Using this we can figure out how Powerful Restricted Broly is.

I'll be honest, I stopped reading after this.

The statements like "threat to the universe" are very common in DB and used to hype up the villains. The statement is not necessarily wrong because technically, anyone who can destroy entire planets, stars, galaxies etc over a short period of time, is considered a threat to the life-forms of the entire universe, thus a threat to the universe at large. Statements like these were also used for Freeza and Cell.

We rate Broly according to how we interpret his feats. Statements like these require a lot more backing up and convincing evidences.

 

[BlackeJan]

Well I just found out that we can use multipliers (if reasonable) though

 

[AKM sama]

Well I just found out that we can use multipliers (if reasonable) though

That has nothing to do with the fact that the OP assumes that restricted Broly can destroy the universe in 69 years.

 

[BlackeJan]

He used multipliers above though

 

[AKM sama]

I don't think we consider the guidebook multipliers as legitimate. Plus, like I said, he is using those multipliers on the results which come after assuming that Broly can destroy the universe in 69 years.

 

[BlackeJan]

Oh ok then nvm lol

 

[Firestorm808]

I would like to reitterate that the size of the universe in the Movie continuity hasn't been described as infinite. It is at least 4 galaxies initially.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I would like to reitterate that the size of the universe in the Movie continuity hasn't been described as infinite. It is at least 4 galaxies initially.

And that same guide book satement said each galaxy has countless quasars in them which is a cluster of galaxies...

 

[Firestorm808]

@Darkmon cns

I wasn't referring to a guidebook.

 

[AKM sama]

The 4 galaxy thing doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Firestorm808]

@AKM sama

Doesn't that depend on the continuity?

Super is confirmed to be like real life.

The GT continuity had at least 6.

Did the movie continuity imply to be like real life? I don't remember.

 

[AKM sama]

We already got rid of the 4 galaxy thing in any DB continuity due to a number of contradictions.

Here is the thread where it was discussed.

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

I don't mean to be a wanker but I was reading and seems pretty harsh what is being said to me/about me I was just seeing if I had a better point of why he should be upgraded than the other people who tried...


It's all good close it if you want to since we can't come to an agreement

 

[Grimreaperofjustice]

I don't think we consider the guidebook multipliers as legitimate. Plus, like I said, he is using those multipliers on the results which come after assuming that Broly can destroy the universe in 69 years.

In Restricted form, and it was also implied that's what it would take him or stated I can't remember atm