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Boruto and Momoshiki CRT
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These are some dogshit reasonings trying to justify future sight.
Literally nothing says he saw the future in that moment.
When the future was previously shown we see Boruto's eyes change to indicate the future is being shown.
Everyone and their mom is able to sense Chakra at this point in the series including Momoshiki who has already demonstrated sensing Chakra from Naruto and the other Bijuu before.
The mental gymnastics to claim future sight when Momoshiki literally has a Byakugan and Chakra sensing. He just sensed the Chakra from a Jutsu like everyone else does.
Literally nothing says he saw the future in that moment.
When the future was previously shown we see Boruto's eyes change to indicate the future is being shown.
Everyone and their mom is able to sense Chakra at this point in the series including Momoshiki who has already demonstrated sensing Chakra from Naruto and the other Bijuu before.
The mental gymnastics to claim future sight when Momoshiki literally has a Byakugan and Chakra sensing. He just sensed the Chakra from a Jutsu like everyone else does.
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You are literally making no sense right now , he is dead and his consciousness is merging with Boruto's , how does sensing chakra apply when we have never seen him do that after he died physically , and his byakugan is linked to his future sight, it's basically what allows him see people's fate so its a very huge stretch and assumption to claim he is sensing chakra when we have no proof of him ever doing that (after he died), also are we gonna ignore boruto's eye changed to a byakugan to see what Momoshiki had seen , If Momoshiki has seen the events past the Mitsuki fight , to a panel that hasn't even been shown in the manga yet (shikadai , chochco , inojin scene) just a huge assumption to claim he is sensing chakra when there is no proof of that , but there is valid proof of Momo having seen the future , so why shouldn't he know what would happen already.
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Do you have any reason to think he wouldn't be able to do it after he died? Obito was dead and gone and he could still use Kamui.
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You better not be including me in this sentence
Trihexa102
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There is a big difference one is just dead , while the other is dead and merging consciousness with another , Besides Boruto is 100% otsutsuki too yet he couldn't sense the attack coming towards him for some reason.
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I think this is a good point. If it was as simple as just sensing chakra than boruto should have been able to do that himself
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This was Momoshiki showing Boruto the future. Momoshiki did not show Boruto any future in this instance, he solely told Boruto to dodge.
Mitsuki was already in Sage Mode and the attack was coming from underground. How hard is it for you to realize that Momoshiki just senses giant Chakra snakes burrowing underground from Boruto?
Naruto supporters have become worse over the years, because there is no way you're going to argue and try to justify that the future is being seen when we are literally not told nor shown that the future is seen. How about some actual solid evidence that states or shows the future was seen, because you're entire argument solely lies on a big "what if" hypothetical.
You have 0 evidence, neither a statement nor an actual scan showing the future was seen in that moment.
Trihexa102
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Your bias is literally making you ignore the evidence, If it was chakra then boruto would also be able to tell cause he is 100% otsutsuki as well but he couldn't.
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Couldn't he have just remember the future Boruto was shown in the previous chapters?
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Sensors don't automatically sense things like that; they have to be in "sensory mode".
Trihexa102
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bruh that's just assumptions , if you are claiming it's sensing , then you should know the way it works for Shinobi's is different for Otsutsuki's(which Boruto is classified under) and even then don't forget six paths characters like Naruto and Sasuke didn't need such requirements.
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Exactly, I really dont know what's so hard to understand there.
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He never was shown the attack in that future from before
So prove it works differently
There's no evidence. Don't claim bias because he noted lack of arguments in your argument
When did being 100% Otsutsuki mean you automatically sensed everything.
He's 100% Otsutsuki in DNA, not skill and abilities
That you're wrong
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You are making assumptions right now, kawaki has no skill(hell he is even more clueless regarding things like that) and yes abilities are involved (meaning any basic ability otsutsuki possess so do they), yet he can hide his chakra signature and all of a sudden boruto can't sense chakra bruh, he has basically seen what happened through the scene even momoshiki noted boruto was seeing fragments of what Momoshiki saw and It even shows a panel that is not even in the manga yet ( shikadai , inojin , chocho), I already proved it even chars that have powers similar to otsutsuki's(derived from otsutsuki's) don't go about the same method that regular shinobi's use and if I need to explain that too that's bias on your part, at this point its clearly bias and assumptions you are claiming when it shows otherwise.
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calling each other bias adds nothing to the discussion
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boutta just ignore em
he said more "you're bias" than "you're wrong"
he said more "you're bias" than "you're wrong"
Trihexa102
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you have literally brought up nothing to disprove what I said, other than boruto can't use otsutsuki skills and abilities , yet kawaki who is much more clueless can? also I apologize for calling you bias
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Would yall be be willing to compromise on a possibly rating for combat applicable future sight since there is some basis for momo being able to do it while being apart of boruto but lacks concrete showings right now?
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some poor sportsmanship on your part for people you disagree with, especially when your own counter arguments arnt particularly strong either chief.
the entire chapter is him narrating everything he sees, with the text right after this literally telling boruto character motivations and events that havent even transpired yet.
you call some of the reasoning here dogshit when this entire defense is predicated on the idea that momoshiki would use his clairvoyance for the entire chapter with the sole exception of this one instance where it would be important.. not only is this a very disingenuous argument, it's an appeal to Ignorance.
If you want to actually argue a position then you need to actually make sure you get your references correct.
Boruto's eyes changed because him and momoshiki's consciousnesses were starting to overlap, it's why momoshiki is surprised that Boruto can actually see pieces of the future momoshiki already foresaw.
Here is Momoshiki actively looking at the future while as disembodied spirit and not activating his Byakugan
oh and here as well, in-case you were wondering this is a nice little setup that gets payed off in the latest chapter
Not only is this a massive blanket generalization, it's just straight up not true, the only otsutsuki in the manga to have any sort of chakra sensing is Kinshiki and the only reason he was able to do so is because of how large naruto's chakra reserves are, which is why they can only tell where the tailed beasts are and the planet's curvature.
in anycase here are Momoshiki's and other Otsutsuki's amazing chakra sensing abilities
Kinshiki cant sense an attack from underground (sounds familiar)
Kinshiki cant sense sasuke until it's too late
Damn that chakra sensing would have come in handy when you cant physically see an attack
Chakra sensing would have come in Handy here when Jigen thought he was absorbing chakra flames instead of natural ones
Chakra sensing would have come in handy for Ishikki when he was looking for kawaki in the village, and had to resort to asking people on the street where he is
Where was this chakra sensing when Ishikki needed to find Kawaki, and had to resort to injuring naruto to bring kawaki out (who was hiding by a nearby rock btw)
Where is this chakra sensing against Shikamaru's shadow?
The Otsutsuki's powers have always been reliant on their Byakugan and their clairvoyant powers, the issue is the former requires having a physical body given that it's power and limitations are grounded in the real world. to prescribe that chakra sensing and the byakugan's power would just apply to a disembodied consciousness that for all intents and purposes is the equivalent of living winrar file extractor is significantly more baseless than anything on this thread that you have criticized.
But hey don't take my word for it, ill list you EVERY SINGLE instance of momoshiki while inside boruto and you tell me how many Byakugan and chakra sensing feats he has.
1. Chapter 65, page 4-10
2. Chapter 67 page 32-40
3.Chapter 72 page 16-21
4. Chapter 74 page 11
5. Chapter 75 page 34-42
6. Chapter 76 page 3-4
7. Chapter 76 page 40-41
8. Chapter 78- page 39-42
9. Chapter 79 Essentially the entire chapter.
Your Byakugan Answer doesnt work either
1. there is no evidence to suggest momoshiki used his Byakugan
2. Theres no evidence to suggest the physical properties of the Byakugan which have limitations like range and field based on a physical eyeball would apply to abstract genetic manifestation of an Otsutsuki's soul trapped with in a boy's body given that, when it has been used it was reflected in Boruto's physical body.
3. The Argument relies on the idea that momoshiki activated the Byakugan at the exact moment when the attack happened, not only is this super convenient and contrived as an argument that im baffled someone is willing to die on a hill for it, it gets steamrolled by moderate levels of Occam's razor
4. Momoshiki activated the Byakugan because he had prior knowledge of the event, this would be a self defeating argument because there is literally no need to find the chakra of an attack when your aware of all the events and then some. it's a circular defense that doesn't hold up to scrutiny
The opposition requires us to strip all context from the scene, then make broad generalizations and assume every other possibility but the obvious one.
the momoshiki event doesnt exist in isolation.
This follows that event back to back, it's holistically part of momoshiki's future coming to pass. and if your argument has to rely on the least charitable interpretations in every case to function it's a poor argument.
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honestly tired of arguing this topic , I don't mind a possibly , but in my opinion its pretty solid enough.
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Not currently, no.
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thats all im going to say further. my stance is the same
Momoshiki should not get combat applicable foresight , nor should Borushiki, momoshiki outright stated he cannot see his own fate.
Boruto should but a note should be made that it's via momoshiki being able to see his future and not something he can passively do on his own.
i leave the rest up to whoever finishes the thread.
Momoshiki should not get combat applicable foresight , nor should Borushiki, momoshiki outright stated he cannot see his own fate.
Boruto should but a note should be made that it's via momoshiki being able to see his future and not something he can passively do on his own.
i leave the rest up to whoever finishes the thread.
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if you don't even think it's possibly future sight , at this point I don't know what to say anymore.
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I agree with Shadow's interpretation, Momo has already been shown capable of seeing into Boruto's more distant future, this is not an ability that Momo can use on himself therefore not one applicable to Momoshiki or Borushiki. Not to mention Momoshiki seems more willing to help Boruto survive at this stage so there's no reason for this to not be combat applicable.
I also agree Boruto will probably need a new key for his 100% Otsutsuki body at this point.
I also agree Boruto will probably need a new key for his 100% Otsutsuki body at this point.
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Obito didnt Kamui kaguya from the afterlife, if he wanted his powers to be present in the physical realm he had to do so through a Medium. that medium being Kakashi.
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He still used them though.
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He used Kamui on himself from the afterlife.
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he used them while inbetween the afterlife and inside kakashi's mental world.
nobody is arguing that you cant users powers after your dead, what we are arguing is that you cant just passively use your abilities in the real world while existing in an entirely different one.
you realize this is the exact reason why we dont scale anything from the sage mode vs Kurama fight in naruto's mental world to his real world stats?
but this argument is also bad on two folds.
1.Obito is a literal spirit from limbo, the chakra came from Obito's corpse. Momoshiki isnt a chakra ghost, he doesn't exist in some mental magic realm, his part of boruto's literal mindscape because his in his DNA.
2. Sharingan users can retain their powers without requiring a physical eye, which is why Madara with no eyes can use a susanoo
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and thats relevant how.
also he was between life and death, his spirit had not passed yet
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Shadow cookin
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Momoshiki basically read the script and is telling boruto want to do. Idk why the argument that he randomly decided to sense chakra popped up.
It's clear future sight and like shadow and others have said boruto should only have it via Momoshiki telling him what to do. Any argument of chakra sensing or byakugan usage etc is making things way more complicated then it needs to be.
It's clear future sight and like shadow and others have said boruto should only have it via Momoshiki telling him what to do. Any argument of chakra sensing or byakugan usage etc is making things way more complicated then it needs to be.
Trihexa102
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I really don't know why you don't think your logic is a big stretch, when future sight has basically been laid out for you through the events.
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Momoshiki has stated on multiple occassions that he can see the fate of people with his eyes but cannot see his own
Moreover he has no control of Boruto's body in this instance and his Byakugan is always present when he does
In the past 15-ish chapters, Boruto's fate has been a big event that was fast approaching as Momoshiki has warned countless times
And we see Momoshiki looking at Boruto's fate yet again in Chapter 75 but this time their thoughts crossover and Boruto temporarily gains the Byakugan
It's likely that Momo just sensed the attack, but if he did Boruto should've been very much capable of sensing it too
But it's just as likely that Momoshiki is using the information of the future to make sure his vessel stays alive so he can stay anchored to this plane.
It makes complete narrative sense for Momo to ruin his life in multiple ways but still want him alive.
I mean he says it himself.
TL;DR
Moreover he has no control of Boruto's body in this instance and his Byakugan is always present when he does
In the past 15-ish chapters, Boruto's fate has been a big event that was fast approaching as Momoshiki has warned countless times
And we see Momoshiki looking at Boruto's fate yet again in Chapter 75 but this time their thoughts crossover and Boruto temporarily gains the Byakugan
It's likely that Momo just sensed the attack, but if he did Boruto should've been very much capable of sensing it too
But it's just as likely that Momoshiki is using the information of the future to make sure his vessel stays alive so he can stay anchored to this plane.
It makes complete narrative sense for Momo to ruin his life in multiple ways but still want him alive.
I mean he says it himself.
TL;DR
- Neither Momo nor Borushiki get this ability since he can't see his own fate
- A 100% Otsutsuki Boruto key should be made
- Said key should get a possibly or likely rating for the combat applicable precog since Momo wants to survive
