Boruto and Momoshiki CRT

[rogueprestonian]

Boruto and Momoshiki should get combat applicable future sight/clairvoyance.

Derivative of Momoshiki’s Clairvoyance.



Agree: Kin201, KingogKings777(Disagree with Boruto having combat applicable clairvoyance, agrees with the rest), Tdjwo, LuffyRuffy46307, AnimesFreak2, NaruRiasUzumaki,
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017(Same as KingogKings777), Shadowbokunohero(Agree with Boruto, disagree with Momoshiki), Shyster, KingTempest

Neutral: Nierre

Disagree:

 

[KingogKings777]

Disagree.

 

[Kin201]

If that's because of Momoshiki's future sight, then I agree.

Disagree.

Why do you disagree with it?

 

[rogueprestonian]

Disagree.

Why?

 

[KingTempest]

Shit's clear future sight

 

[rogueprestonian]

Shit's clear future sight

Sorry, does that mean you agree or not?

 

[KingogKings777]

Why?

If that's because of Momoshiki's future sight, then I agree.

Why do you disagree with it?

Cause he already has precognition on his profile. And this was Momoshiki not Boruto so only Momoshiki should be applicable that's ignoring that he mysteriously didn't use this before during all his other fights, while not getting any amps and only getting weaker persay.

 

[rogueprestonian]

Cause he already has precognition on his profile. And this was Momoshiki not Boruto so only Momoshiki should be applicable that's ignoring that he mysteriously didn't use this before during all his other fights, while not getting any amps and only getting weaker persay.

Momoshiki and Boruto are the same individual at this point as stated by the story, So that doesn’t take it away from Boruto.

And His precognition in his profile is from the Jogan’s ability to perceive the flow of chakra, enabling Boruto to see the visible changes in one's chakra and likewise track a target through their chakra.

Boruto doesn’t have that or the byakugan active at the moment so it’s clearly different

 

[KingogKings777]

Momoshiki and Boruto are the same individual at this point as stated by the story, So that doesn’t take it away from Boruto.

He's not the one doing the feat, Momoshiki is.

And His precognition in his profile is from the Jogan’s ability to perceive the flow of chakra, enabling Boruto to see the visible changes in one's chakra and likewise track a target through their chakra.

Okay.

Boruto doesn’t have that or the byakugan active at the moment so it’s clearly different

Okay. Doesn't change the fact that it was Momoshiki who did it not Boruto.

 

[rogueprestonian]

He's not the one doing the feat, Momoshiki is.

Okay.

Okay. Doesn't change the fact that it was Momoshiki who did it not Boruto.

Boruto also has been able to see the future with Momoshiki abilities as since ch.75 & 76 so it applies to them both.

 

[KingogKings777]

Boruto also has been able to see the future with Momoshiki abilities as shown in ch.75 & 76 so it applies to them both.

So he should get non combat clairvoyance then since only Momoshiki's so far is.

 

[rogueprestonian]

So he should get non combat clairvoyance then since only Momoshiki's so far is.

Okay so you are saying non combat clairvoyance for Boruto and combat for Momoshiki

 

[KingogKings777]

Okay so you are saying non combat clairvoyance for Boruto and combat for Momoshiki

Yesish. The clairvoyance that Boruto sees is uncontrollable so maybe limited and he hasn't used it for combat so yeah. Yeah combat for Momoshiki since he can use it and stuff so far.

 

[rogueprestonian]

Yesish. The clairvoyance that Boruto sees is uncontrollable so maybe limited and he hasn't used it for combat so yeah. Yeah combat for Momoshiki since he can use it and stuff so far.

Fair enough then.

 

[Tdjwo]

Agreed.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I agree

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Agreed

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

I agreed with Op's stated.

 

[SlendVeny]

Have we considered Momoshiki, perhaps, saw the attack coming with Byakugan?

 

[SlendVeny]

Either way, since Momoshiki has future sight feats anyway, he could probably tell Boruto stuff in other instances as well. By the time we finish all the other Naruto revisions, he'll probably have more feats for both.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Yeah, this is exactly as KingogKing said, this isn't applicable to Boruto except in Borushiki form and seems to be gross overestimation of what happened.

For instance, this could simply be Momoshiki sensing Mitsuki's Chakra Snakes coming through the ground and telling Boruto to dodge beforehand.

Nothing of the feat tells us it's explicitly precognition nor clairvoyance, it could interpreted as just Chakra sensing. Momoshiki already has clairvoyance on his profile anyways, so the only change this CRT could make is giving Borushiki clairvoyance as well since he should have Momo's abilities.

 

[Tdjwo]

For instance, this could simply be Momoshiki sensing Mitsuki's Chakra Snakes coming through the ground and telling Boruto to dodge beforehand.

I don't remember Momoshiki being a sensory type without his byakugan. This is a bold assumption right there. The most logical conclusion is Momoshiki reading the future. That's more logical based on this scenario

 

[Trihexa102]

clearly future sight so agreed

 

[SlendVeny]

I don't remember Momoshiki being a sensory type without his byakugan. This is a bold assumption right there. The most logical conclusion is Momoshiki reading the future. That's more logical based on this scenario

Momo still has the Byakugan.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I don't remember Momoshiki being a sensory type without his byakugan. This is a bold assumption right there. The most logical conclusion is Momoshiki reading the future. That's more logical based on this scenario

This man really jumped from "could be chakra sensing" to "nah its future sight despite no indication that the future was being seen".

Do you stop to ever consider the logic in your statements? Like how do you jump to such conclusions without stretching first? Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

 

[Trihexa102]

Momo still has the Byakugan.

isnt his byakugan basically what gives him future sight? reading fates and being able to show boruto fragments and glimpses of when he would begin to lose everything

 

[SlendVeny]

isnt his byakugan basically what gives him future sight? reading fates and being able to show boruto fragments and glimpses of when he would begin to lose everything

Right, right, I forgot that the Otsutsuki Byakugans had special abilities, like Kaguya's shockwaves, or should I say Byak-waves?

 

[Tdjwo]

This man really jumped from "could be chakra sensing" to "nah its future sight despite no indication that the future was being seen".

Do you stop to ever consider the logic in your statements? Like how do you jump to such conclusions without stretching first? Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Because that is the most logical conclusion. Momo clearly has future sight. We've seen him predicting the future multiple times. It's only logical to apply that in this instance as well. But we've never seen him sense chakra like a sensory type before. That's just a random assumption you formed.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Agree with Boruto Disagree with Momoshiki

Momoshiki can see everyone's future but his own

 

[Trihexa102]

Agree with Boruto Disagree with Momoshiki

Momoshiki can see everyone's future but his own

shouldn't it also apply here since he is basically seeing mitsuki's attack before it happens and tells boruto to jump

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Yeah, this is exactly as KingogKing said, this isn't applicable to Boruto except in Borushiki form and seems to be gross overestimation of what happened.

No? borushiki would be like the one form it wouldn't be applicable, and the feat happens when Boruto is in base

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

shouldn't it also apply here since he is basically seeing mitsuki's attack before it happens and tells boruto to jump

thats because momoshiki can see Boruto's future, his inside boruto's mind but the body and action is being controlled by Boruto.
. think of it as an active vs passive kinda role.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

He's not the one doing the feat, Momoshiki is.

This is a stupid point, that's like ridding naruto of every ability he gains access to that's granted by Kurama like huge chakra reserves,healing ect. the only difference is that on the profile it would be mentioned that momoshiki can guide his movements as oppose boruto being able to do actively on his own..

 

[Trihexa102]

No? borushiki would be like the one form it wouldn't be applicable, and the feat happens when Boruto is in base

though what about boruto being able to see what momo has seen , like the current events happening now due to their thoughts crossing over to each other ?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

though what about boruto being able to see what momo has seen , like the current events happening now due to their thoughts crossing over to each other ?

yes

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I should also clarify when i say base Boruto im talking post Otsutsuki completion. boruto is going at some point have to be split into keys that separate these versions

 

[Shyster]

Kabul ediyorum

 

[Stryker861]

I agree with the op

 

[Damage3245]

Can somebody explain exactly how this is future sight?

 

[KingogKings777]

Can somebody explain exactly how this is future sight?

Now that I think about it

Clairvoyance (Can read the fates of others with his Byakugan)

This is what the reasoning for future sight it and no one was using their Byakugan for the fight so change me to completely disagree unless it's been shown he doesn't need the Byakugan for Clairvoyance.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Can somebody explain exactly how this is future sight?

someone telling someone about an event before it happens

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

This is what the reasoning for future sight it and no one was using their Byakugan for the fight so change me to completely disagree unless it's been shown he doesn't need the Byakugan for Clairvoyance.

what?
how is this relevant lol, boruto's future sight isnt based on his byakugan, it's based on momoshiki being able to tell the future.

 

[KingogKings777]

what?
how is this relevant lol, boruto's future sight isnt based on his byakugan, it's based on momoshiki being able to tell the future.

What's Momo's future sight based off of?

 

[Deceived3596]

Following, will post my opinions later.

 

[Damage3245]

someone telling someone about an event before it happens

Momoshiki told Boruto to dodge an incoming attack.

He doesn't need to have used future sight in order to do that.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

What's Momo's future sight based off of?

if you read the manga you would know Momoshiki was able to see and even share the future with Boruto directly while inside him.. this was done without having a physical body

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Momoshiki told Boruto to dodge an incoming attack.

He doesn't need to have used future sight in order to do that.

yes he would, because momoshiki would have needed to have known the attack was happening prior to warn boruto.

also thats while also ignoring the scene is holistically part of larger context of momoshiki seeing the future and telling Boruto that he will get killed by his friends if he doesnt run away.

 

[KingogKings777]

yes he would, because momoshiki would have needed to have known the attack was happening prior to warn boruto.

Or you know he could have sense it with the Byakugan or just the chakra.

also thats while also ignoring the scene is holistically part of larger context of momoshiki seeing the future and telling Boruto that he will get killed by his friends if he doesnt run away.

That's kinda common sense and not future seeing though.

if you read the manga you would know Momoshiki was able to see and even share the future with Boruto directly while inside him.. this was done without having a physical body

So? You don't need a physical body to say you have the Byakugan.

 

[Damage3245]

yes he would, because momoshiki would have needed to have known the attack was happening prior to warn boruto.

also thats while also ignoring the scene is holistically part of larger context of momoshiki seeing the future and telling Boruto that he will get killed by his friends if he doesnt run away.

The only way you can know that an attack is coming is with future sight?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Or you know he could have sense it with the Byakugan or just the chakra.

by your own admission there is no evidence that anyone used the Byakugan, you cant contradict yourself when it's convenient. also no momoshiki in this form has only three feats

1. seeing the future, it's kind of his thing, he keeps reminding us and spends the entire chapter telling us he can see the future and sees boruto's friends killing him
2. Stop Time (which he doesnt do here)
3. Talk with Boruto

saying his using the Byakugan or just chakra sensing requires an extreme amount of mental gymnastics to avoid the blatantly obvious.
Occam razor is heavily in my favor here

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

The only way you can know that an attack is coming is with future sight?

yes because the other reasons requires extensively more mental gymnastics to prove

 

[Damage3245]

yes because the other reasons requires extensively more mental gymnastics to prove

I think it requires zero mental gymnastics to acknowledge that he possesses the Byakugan and is therefore more perceptive than Boruto, allowing him to see with his own eyes that an attack is incoming and warn Boruto of it.

 

[Trihexa102]

Momoshiki told Boruto to dodge an incoming attack.

He doesn't need to have used future sight in order to do that.

that dosent make sense honestly by default alive or dead he possess the byakugan , which numerous times have shown the power to read fates and even show boruto his own future (by their thoughts crossing over), you cant say he senses chakra cause there has been no such mention before in manga while he is a spirit

 

[SlendVeny]

share the future with Boruto directly while inside him

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I think it requires zero mental gymnastics to acknowledge that he possesses the Byakugan and is therefore more perceptive than Boruto,

Because you would have to be blatantly ignoring the larger context of this entire scene and the lines right after it telling us that momoshiki is actively viewing the future.
you would then have to explain away the fact that momoshiki's no longer has a physical body, and that his byakugan can somehow traverse the mental spiritual realm inside boruto into the real world to specifically only read the chakra thats comes from within the ground at a very specific point.
as oppose to just reading the future like his been doing for the rest of the chapter.

it's extremely contrived.

 

[Damage3245]

Because you would have to be blatantly ignoring the larger context of this entire scene and the lines right after it telling us that momoshiki is actively viewing the future.
you would then have to explain away the fact that momoshiki's no longer has a physical body, and that his byakugan can somehow traverse the mental spiritual realm inside boruto into the real world to specifically only read the chakra thats comes from within the ground at a very specific point.
as oppose to just reading the future like his been doing for the rest of the chapter.

it's extremely contrived.

What do you mean by "very specific point"?

 

[Trihexa102]

What do you mean by "very specific point"?

It's as clear as day, the whole event happening now Momoshiki saw it already and we saw proof of it when , boruto was shown fragments and pieces of his future when he would lose everything, he references blue eye which meant eida's eyes , he knew what would happen and the shinjutsu, so what your basically trying to claim is future sight stops at him seeing boruto losing everything and not being able to see what happens after , as shown otherwise

 

[Damage3245]

It's as clear as day, the whole event happening now Momoshiki saw it already and we saw proof of it when , boruto was shown fragments and pieces of his future when he would lose everything, he references blue eye which meant eida's eyes , he knew what would happen and the shinjutsu, so what your basically trying to claim is future sight stops at him seeing boruto losing everything and not being able to see what happens after , as shown otherwise

When did I ever claim that?

 

[Trihexa102]

When did I ever claim that?

Indirectly that basically what you mean though, we have seen him use future sight through most of the manga. after he was killed and began merging with boruto, all the whole events now that have been happening we have seen pieces and fragments of them when momoshiki and boruto thoughts were crossing over. INCLUDING THE SCENE OF MITSUKI ATTACKING BORUTO WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS KAWAKI , so i find it contrived you think after showing boruto basically what happens all of a sudden he cant see the future, and is predicting attacks or sensing chakra.

 

[Tdjwo]

There is no need to play mental gymnastics here by asking too many questions.

What is Momoshiki’s character mainly about? Seeing the future and giving its glimpse to Boruto

Has Momoshiki ever been a sensory type fighter ever since he became Borutoshiki? No

Is there any evidence that Momoshiki could sense chakra whilst in Boruto's body? No

Is there any evidence or logical assumption that it's a future sight? Yes. He's predicted the future so many times already. He relayed Mitsuki's "you've angered me" scene which was shown in chapter 78 and that happened this chapter.

The entire chapter was about the future Momoshiki saw, coming to pass.

In conclusion, it's logically clear and evidently supported that Momoshiki used a future sight ability to read Mitsuki's attacks. He already correctly saw Mitsuki getting angry at Boruto. It's only logical that he sees him trying to attack Boruto as well moments after he claimed Boruto angered him.

 

[rogueprestonian]

Lemme explain it simply.
Boruto has nothing active at the moment because he still considers Mitsuki and Sarada as allies, so no sensory on his part.

Momoshiki is currently a spirit in Borutos mind and can’t interact with the physical world except with possessing Boruto which he isn’t doing at the moment therefore Momoshiki cant sense attacks except by seeing the future simply from the fact that he isn’t there.

Therefore, Momoshiki can see the future in real time, saw it and immediately informed Boruto.

Since Boruto and Momoshiki’s minds are melding together he will eventually gain that ability

 

[KingTempest]

I understand and can agree for future sight

But the arguments here are doodoo

 

[Nierre]

Didn't Momoshiki sense Narutos chakra when he came to earth? I don't think it's that far of a stretch to say that he just sensed the attack coming - also ignoring the fact that SM Mitsuki is grossly slower than Momoshiki.

But regardless I stand neutral on this. I personally didn't see it as FS when i read the chapter but I can see why you guys are saying it is.

 

[rogueprestonian]

I understand and can agree for future sight

But the arguments here are doodoo

Good enough for me.

 

[Tdjwo]

Didn't Momoshiki sense Narutos chakra when he came to earth? I don't think it's that far of a stretch to say that he just sensed the attack coming - also ignoring the fact that SM Mitsuki is grossly slower than Momoshiki.

But regardless I stand neutral on this. I personally didn't see it as FS when i read the chapter but I can see why you guys are saying it is.

That was alive Momoshiki

 

[Kin201]

Having read through this thread again, the arguments for FS are good to me.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm pretty sure that Momoshiki's future sight comes from his Byakugan anyway.

So all the people claiming that Momoshiki didn't see the attack coming normally because he's just a spirit who doesn't have the Byakugan, don't really make all that much sense.


I haven't seen a single solid reason that Momoshiki couldn't have just seen the attack coming normally and warned Boruto.

 

[Deceived3596]

Y'all, just compromise with a possibly rating, since both claims are around the same level of being possibly true, and since the evidence itself isn't concrete enough to acquire a full rating, it's also the most logical rating to have.

This doesn't need to become a multi-page thread .

 

[Trihexa102]

It was literally in the last page of boruto chapter 75 , when Momoshiki and boruto thoughts are crossing over it shows Mitsuki attacking who we all thought was kawaki but now we know it was boruto( his future sight was literally what showed all the events happening now including Mitsuki attacking Boruto who).

 

[Kin201]

^ Momoshiki has been observing "the future" in the last few chapters, so FS makes sense to me.

 

[Damage3245]

For the record, I'm not claiming that Momoshiki doesn't have future sight.


I'm just saying there is nothing conclusively proving that he is using it in this instance.

 

[Trihexa102]

For the record, I'm not claiming that Momoshiki doesn't have future sight.


I'm just saying there is nothing conclusively proving that he is using it in this instance.

why would u say he wouldnt use it when he has already seen it all, and showed boruto glimpses of it? honestly u have shown no reasonable arguement to say otherwise

 

[Damage3245]

why would u say he wouldnt use it when he has already seen it all, and showed boruto glimpses of it? honestly u have shown no reasonable arguement to say otherwise

Because him using it at other times is not proof that he is using it at this time. I don't see how that is problematic.

 

[Nierre]

That was alive Momoshiki

So why would he suddenly be unable to sense chakra now..? Unless that was stated I've got no idea where that assumption is coming from tbh

 

[Deceived3596]

Damage, are you fine with a possibility/likely rating, or do you disagree with both, if it's the latter, can you explain why you'd disagree with either rating?

 

[Trihexa102]

Because him using it at other times is not proof that he is using it at this time. I don't see how that is problematic.

of course he dosent need to, he has basically seen the whole event multiple times already why would he need to see the future again when he has seen it and knows the best actions to take to keep boruto alive and it even goes farther than that

 

[Damage3245]

Damage, are you fine with a possibility/likely rating, or do you disagree with both, if it's the latter, can you explain why you'd disagree with either rating?

I'm fine with Momoshiki having Claiyvoyance, and for Boruto also having Claiyvoyance by extension of Momoshiki having it and being able to inform him of things.

But I'm not seeing anything that strongly suggests Momoshiki is actively peeking ahead a couple of seconds to viewing what is happening during combat.

There was certainly no implication that he could ever see the future when he was actually fighting Naruto and Sasuke.


And if the only evidence we have to go on is him telling Boruto "Jump into the trees", I think it's too big of a stretch to say that his warning could only have come from seeing the future.

 

[SlendVeny]

Wouldn't the better feat be the "How does it feel to lose everything"

 

[Trihexa102]

I'm fine with Momoshiki having Claiyvoyance, and for Boruto also having Claiyvoyance by extension of Momoshiki having it and being able to inform him of things.

But I'm not seeing anything that strongly suggests Momoshiki is actively peeking ahead a couple of seconds to viewing what is happening during combat.

There was certainly no implication that he could ever see the future when he was actually fighting Naruto and Sasuke.


And if the only evidence we have to go on is him telling Boruto "Jump into the trees", I think it's too big of a stretch to say that his warning could only have come from seeing the future.

In the future he shows boruto glimpses of what happens it literally shows boruto in combat with mitsuki which we all thought was kawaki , now the future sight even goes past that cause it shows inojin, shikadai and chocho attacking boruto where they him " just aint what a friend would do" which we haven't even see yet in the manga (next chapter most likely) its all there in the last page of chapter 75, at this point you are just blatantly ignoring the context for your own contrived reasons.

 

[Deceived3596]

And if the only evidence we have to go on is him telling Boruto "Jump into the trees", I think it's too big of a stretch to say that his warning could only have come from seeing the future.

I agree with this, that's why i'm saying a "possibly" rating within this instance would be preferable to a concrete rating, or even no rating at all because the evidence itself isn't specific enough with its intention to qualify for a concrete rating, but arguing against the possibly of Momoshiki using an ability he has to peer into the future in this instance would also wrong since it isn't unfathomable or a leap of logic to believe that he did use it as that's within his capabilities.

That's my contentions with just saying "since it isn't direct enough with how Momoshiki actually sensed the attack, it means we can't make logical supported inferences from capabilities within the characters arsenal".

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with this, that's why i'm saying a "possibly" rating within this instance would be preferable to a concrete rating, or even no rating at all because the evidence itself isn't specific enough with its intention to qualify for a concrete rating, but arguing against the possibly of Momoshiki using an ability he has to peer into the future in this instance would also wrong since it isn't unfathomable or a leap of logic to believe that he did use it as that's within his capabilities.

"Possibly" might work, sure. But I'd like to know why he seemingly didn't look into the future once during his own battles.

 

[Deceived3596]

Do we actually know he didn't peer into the future in his previous battles, or are we just not told that he did?

If it's the latter, then we can't make that value judgement since we don't have enough knowledge, it's possible he did, but it's also possible that he didn't. We just don't know, so it would be wrong to make that assumption when it's ultimately unneeded, and contextually/logically unsupported.

 

[Trihexa102]

"Possibly" might work, sure. But I'd like to know why he seemingly didn't look into the future once during his own battles.

he cant see his own future , but he can see boruto's

 

[Trihexa102]

Do we actually know he didn't peer into the future in his battles previously, or are we just not told that he did?

its clearly shown in the last panel of chapter 75 , it shows how far his future sight was cause we saw the boruto vs mitsuki fight , and a fight we havent seen on panel yet where shikadai, inojin and chocho are seen facing boruto telling him "just aint what a friend does" HE CLEARLY SEE'S PAST THE MITSUKI FIGHT, to otherwise is just ignoring the context. its like saying just cause shanks saw the future once he cant do what is needed and needs to keep using it defeat someone which dosent make sense as opposed to what he showed.

 

[KingogKings777]

by your own admission there is no evidence that anyone used the Byakugan, you cant contradict yourself when it's convenient. also no momoshiki in this form has only three feats

So it should be chakra sensing then. Since by this sites own admission he only sees the future with the Byakugan. If you want him to see the future without the Byakugan change that first.

1. seeing the future, it's kind of his thing, he keeps reminding us and spends the entire chapter telling us he can see the future and sees boruto's friends killing him

Okay.

2. Stop Time (which he doesnt do here)

Yes.

3. Talk with Boruto

Which he does.

saying his using the Byakugan or just chakra sensing requires an extreme amount of mental gymnastics to avoid the blatantly obvious.
Occam razor is heavily in my favor here

Not really when your falling what the site has accepted for him.

 

[KingogKings777]

its clearly shown in the last panel of chapter 75 , it shows how far his future sight was cause we saw the boruto vs mitsuki fight , and a fight we havent seen on panel yet where shikadai, inojin and chocho are seen facing boruto telling him "just aint what a friend does" HE CLEARLY SEE'S PAST THE MITSUKI FIGHT, to otherwise is just ignoring the context.

So he could have just been using information from that to warn Boruto.

 

[KingogKings777]

We also know when he sees into the future the eye does this thingy.

 

[Trihexa102]

So he could have just been using information from that to warn Boruto.

information is gotten from future sight which he clearly showed , and we saw when boruto saw glimpses of it

 

[Trihexa102]

We also know when he sees into the future the eye does this thingy.

exactly this page tells it all, he has seen all this happen(mitsuki attacking boruto) already even what we havent seen yet in the current manga panels which shows shikadai, inojin and chocho saying that to boruto . Momo see's it all too as he showed boruto when their thoughts were crossing over( is basically the reason boruto see it in the first place). and why momo can't use it against naruto and sasuke, cause he said he cant see his own fate only others.

 

[Tdjwo]

So why would he suddenly be unable to sense chakra now..? Unless that was stated I've got no idea where that assumption is coming from tbh

Because he is in Boruto's body. There is no evidence Momoshiki is able to sense chakra or have any influence on the outside world without taking over Boruto's body or conciousness.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Because he is in Boruto's body. There is no evidence Momoshiki is able to sense chakra or have any influence on the outside world without taking over Boruto's body or conciousness.

i have no idea why this is so hard for people to understand

 

[Damage3245]

i have no idea why this is so hard for people to understand

I feel the same way tbh.

 

[KingTempest]

Kurama could sense shit while in Naruto's body

 

[Damage3245]

Also, are we now arguing that Momoshiki is currently blind while he's a spirit as he doesn't have real eyes?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Kurama could sense shit while in Naruto's body

Momoshiki isnt Kurama

 

[KingTempest]

Momoshiki isnt Kurama

But the logic of "A is inside B so A can't use his abilities" is still... not the best

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Also, are we now arguing that Momoshiki is currently blind while he's a spirit as he doesn't have real eyes?

this is a strawman argument

nobody is arguing that Momoshiki is blind, we are arguing that theres no reason to assume that an ability that requires a physical presence to detect something in the present isnt going to carry over to something thats entirely a disembodied consciousness. because if he could do everything from the comfort of some abstract plane then there wouldn't be the need to have a physical vessel.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

But the logic of "A is inside B so A can't use his abilities" is still... not the best

it's a false equivalence, i understand why you might not like this specific argument because of the precidence of Kurama. but they are fundamentally not the same. one is a real living being trapped and sealed within the body of human using ninja magic and has demostrated feats of doing stuff like this, the other is the shared consciousness of two beings that are overlapping because of their genetics becoming one.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I'm fine with Momoshiki having Claiyvoyance, and for Boruto also having Claiyvoyance by extension of Momoshiki having it and being able to inform him of things.

this is what im arguing for

There was certainly no implication that he could ever see the future when he was actually fighting Naruto and Sasuke.

it's stated that he cant see his own fate, which is why i disagreed with Momoshiki having this as combat applicable, the reason it works for Boruto is because Momoshiki can see his (boruto's) fate and warn him of stuff.

Boruto doesnt have future sight by himself and Momoshiki cant use it for himself, the only reason this works is because of the circumstances of the two of them sharing a body.

 

[Trihexa102]

Kurama could sense shit while in Naruto's body

Kurama is alive while momoshiki is a spirit