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It's possible that Saitama was impressived by the speed increase from Boros, not the actual level of speed.Just going to ignore the shocked expression on his face?
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It's possible that Saitama was impressived by the speed increase from Boros, not the actual level of speed.Just going to ignore the shocked expression on his face?
He saw the Ninjas, Orochi, and the light show from Garou and Platinum Sperm. Boros being faster than Saitama expected can be valid for scaling to Gery, but I'm not seeing it as valid scaling for later characters.Saitama never fought anybody remotely close to Boros’ speed for the majority of that time
600 times*Saitama is 4A and over 6,000 times FTL at the moment. He didn't just hold back on Boros, he held back to such a degree that if a IRL human did so we'd fight evenly is a dust mite.
Ten shadows burial.It's possible that Saitama was impressived by the speed increase from Boros, not the actual level of speed.
Which is a massive gulf. At no point against Boros did Saitama give any degree of his true power. He held back the entire time.In this scenario it would be Boros >> 4.32x vs Saitama = 680x
Orochi is massively hypersonic+He saw the Ninjas, Orochi, and the light show from Garou and Platinum Sperm. Boros being faster than Saitama expected can be valid for scaling to Gery, but I'm not seeing it as valid scaling for later characters.
It is still one of the smallest speed gaps saitama has ever fought, and would be something that he would even be able to perceive movement from at his full speed.Which is a massive gulf. At no point against Boros did Saitama give any degree of his true power. He held back the entire time.
If a character goes from MHS to FTL or even Rel+ instantly you'll be shocked.It is still one of the smallest speed gaps saitama has ever fought, and would be something that he would even be able to perceive movement from at his full speed
Ten shadows burialIf a character goes from MHS to FTL or even Rel+ instantly you'll be shocked.
For the same reason if a snail suddenly moved 10x faster you'd be shocked but it's vastly slower than you are.
Boros upacalong from Gery I get, but I don't see Garou scaling being valid.
Repeating that without elaborating is not a good argument.Ten shadows burial
WrongAlso saitama wasn’t shocked when Garou went from high 6-A to 5-C in a few minutes of fighting, nor was he shocked by Garou’s speed increase during the fight which would have at least been comparable to his speed amping during the sperm and flash fight
in fact even when Garou amped his speed way more suddenly with extreme fa Jin hand jets or whatever he still didn’t give a ****
Which is more reasonable?It's possible that Saitama was impressived by the speed increase from Boros, not the actual level of speed.
If we're considering the intent of the author then it seems much more likely to me that the reaction of Saitama was put in place to make it look like Boros is a big, important threat. When actually he's nothing of the sort. It's an intentionally misleading panel because it's supposed to make you think Saitama was surprised by Boros but we well know now that Saitama is actually incomparably superior to Boros in every way and Boros never stood a chance.Which is more reasonable?
Being suprised at an enemy's speed, or how much it increased. This is pretty much headcanon to wave away the very obvious intent of the author.
He wasn't surprised that Sonic went from four to ten clones, an over 2x speed increase,Repeating that without elaborating is not a good argument.
What? Talk about making things up, Saitama even has the !? above his head. He even called Boros strong after he was long dead while talking to Genos, and while thinking to himself on the Moon.If we're considering the intent of the author then it seems much more likely to me that the reaction of Saitama was put in place to make it look like Boros is a big, important threat. When actually he's nothing of the sort.
Okay here’s me elaborating thenRepeating that without elaborating is not a good argument.
If we’re considering author intent now then Boros >>>>>> OrochiIf we're considering the intent of the author then it seems much more likely to me that the reaction of Saitama was put in place to make it look like Boros is a big, important threat. When actually he's nothing of the sort. It's an intentionally misleading panel because it's supposed to make you think Saitama was surprised by Boros but we well know now that Saitama is actually incomparably superior to Boros in every way and Boros never stood a chance.
“Hey you got a little better”
Boros surprising Saitama with a sudden speed boost doesn't mean Garou isn't faster. It just means the speed between his previous forms was notably different.1. Boros was able to shock saitama with his speed, sonic getting insanely faster wasn’t, nor was a >>FTL monster garou’s extreme fa Jin able to surprise saitama
Garou getting stronger doesn't mean he got faster by the ratio.Garou’s from 6-A to 5-C are at best only considered getting “a little better” and at worst have nothing to do with his speed.
Confidence scaling is terrible in OPM due to how vastly overconfident people are. Blizzard and Psykos are notable examples of constantly being wrong or misjudging power.Confidence scaling is still valid if you were proven wrong due to an opponent holding back
I agree with this.Though like I said, Boros upscaling from Gery I can get with a possibly rating. But not Garou.
He's just arguing that Saitama is surprised by Boros' speed as opposed to being suprised by how much his speed increased.Boros surprising Saitama with a sudden speed boost doesn't mean Garou isn't faster. It just means the speed between his previous forms was notably different.
CoolI agree with this.
ishygddtusing saitama as a measuring stick in any way
which means he must have been a more significant increase than tenfold funeral and extreme Fa Jin was, but regardless there’s not evidence to actually prove that it was only the speed increase and not the speed itself that shocked him, you’re offering a possible alternative interpretation but there’s no actual evidence to suggest that it’s more reliable than anything else.Boros surprising Saitama with a sudden speed boost doesn't mean Garou isn't faster. It just means the speed between his previous forms was notably different.
I know, but the point is just that Garou was never able to surprise saitama via his speed. It also shows that massive increases alone aren’t able to surprise saitama, which if it applies to the insane difference between 6-A and 5-C, then it likely applies to how he sees speed as well. In other words, it doesn’t matter if you go from 0 to 90 million in an instant, since saitama only cares if you’re 1 billion.Garou getting stronger doesn't mean he got faster by the ratio.
Boros is very much not overconfident, and already is capable of sensing people’s power. That’s why confidence scaling works perfectly well for him in particular.Confidence scaling is terrible in OPM due to how vastly overconfident people are. Blizzard and Psykos are notable examples of constantly being wrong or misjudging power.
Upscaling from saitama outspeeding geryu*Though like I said, Boros upscaling from Gery I can get with a possibly rating. But not Garou.
Right now that confidence scaling starts at Armored Boros:If we scale Boros above Geryuganshoop, which Boros will scale? Will it start at Released?
Speed: At least Supersonic+ (Should be vastly superior to Melzalgald, Groribas and Geryuganshoop), possibly Relativistic+ (Perceived the fight between Saitama and Geryuganshoop, and was confident in fighting the former even after witnessing him react to Geryuganshoop's near lightspeed pitches)
Boros with confidence scaling already exists. What will change is that for MB mode he'd scale to Saitama's casual FTL reaction speed rather than just the rocks like the other forms.If we scale Boros above Geryuganshoop, which Boros will scale? Will it start at Released?
Boros' Released form is vastly superior to his Released Form and every other speed rating up to that point. So yes, it's vastly better than Sonic's tenfold funeral in terms of speed amplification.which means he must have been a more significant increase than tenfold funeral and extreme Fa Jin was,
But that doesn't mean much because we already accept Saitama as being over a hundred times faster than anyone else. All the form does is show that the speed increase was shocking compared to what Saitama experienced before. Saitama when going 100% wasn't shocked by Cosmic Garou's speed, but we know that he was giving his all during that fight until the gap got to large.I know, but the point is just that Garou was never able to surprise saitama via his speed.
He said Saitama's power was limitless, wrongly judged he could take him and then at the end of the fight realized that Saitama was humoring him the entire time.Boros is very much not overconfident, and already is capable of sensing people’s power
Well that’s still putting him above baseline ftl through the sheer upscale since he was already over 75% sol, but there’s still the problem from before of lacking evidenceBoros' Released form is vastly superior to his Released Form and every other speed rating up to that point. So yes, it's vastly better than Sonic's tenfold funeral in terms of speed amplification.
And there is still no evidence that it was only due to the speed increase rather than the speed itself, since there are no cases of far slower characters than Boros really being able to do anything comparable with a speed ampBut that doesn't mean much because we already accept Saitama as being over a hundred times faster than anyone else. All the form does is show that the speed increase was shocking compared to what Saitama experienced before. Saitama when going 100% wasn't shocked by Cosmic Garou's speed, but we know that he was giving his all during that fight until the gap got to large.
Ok? Does that change the fact that he still perceived Saitama's actions?Or Saitama lowered his speed to Boros' level...
Saitama saw the attack coming, albeit briefly. "Sorry you came at me kinda fast.." proves he was surprised. If someone makes a sudden move towards you to the point where you instinctually react, you were surprised. This is common behavior, especially in trained fighters. If we're using artwork to support arguments, then the sweatdrop on Saitama's face in the second panel supports his surprised reaction.Not only were both of those incidents sneak attacks, but neither of them actually show saitama being surprised by Garou
human Garou specifically was even just because saitama forgot to pay for his food and that’s why his face looks like that, it literally explains it in the scene itself, so way to take something out of context and lie about it.
The face he makes is literally 100% due to the fact that he forgot to pay, and he literally confirms this in the panel where it happensSaitama saw the attack coming, albeit briefly. "Sorry you came at me kinda fast.." proves he was surprised. If someone makes a sudden move towards you to the point where you instinctually react, you were surprised. This is common behavior, especially in trained fighters. If we're using artwork to support arguments, then the sweatdrop on Saitama's face in the second panel supports his surprised reaction.
Literally nobody besides you is bringing up the human Garou panel, so idk why you posted this. Entirely different scene. In fact, that panel is a flashback from Garou's memory, which has nothing to do with Saitama's POV.The face he makes is literally 100% due to the fact that he forgot to pay, and he literally confirms this in the panel where it happens
Saitama's head is already half-rotated to the point where Garou is at a minimum in his peripheral vision. Sweat drops on Saitama's face + "sorry you came at me kinda fast" = he was shocked, and he also perceived Garou since he mentioned his speed, and treated him as a threat. If some stranger runs up on you, you're instinctually going to react defensively which is what we see here.Not to mention your headcanon that saitama used instictive reaction against garou when it was just the fact that he turned around when garou was already preparing to strike him.
It's a miracle how you're able to constantly make shit up.