Bleach lower tier revision thread

[Arc7Kuroi]

Fake Karakura town upgrades Evidence:

1: shawlong is capable of fighting against hitsugaya and is implied he only lost because got caught off guard by hitsu releasing the getei kaijou so shaolong is mountain level

No Shawlong is only capable of fighting Toshiro when he has the Gentei Reiin on, aka Shawlong scales to 1/5 of Toshiro’s max power. The databooks confirm that Gentei Kaijo didn’t catch them off guard but rather made the captains too powerful.

2: here is the kicker, shaolong as well as all of grimmjow fraction are considered failed arrancar and gillian level according to aizen, therefore is fair to assume that the karakura town arrancar are stronger than shaolong and therefore mountain level

I can see a case for a likely rating.

3: this would aply to the ones they scale to like yumichika, ikaku and kira

Yep, those three scale to FKT fraccion.

5: Yamamoto also ordered everyone in the Gotei to train for winter, so it's not like they would have stayed the same strength in the end

Correct.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cJngYwPH...VI1Ts9Zp8YF-OxyG9bNhQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/019.jpg, in this scene aizen says that all of grimm fracction were only gillians

Yep.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RVBh6-00...ZswEozU-8Z9wGLJk0WPyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/016.jpg, in this page toshiro says that shawlong was only a gillian, and that it took all of his strenght to defeat him meaning he should be comparable to 100% toshiro even

No “all his strength” in this context just meant the release of Gentei Reiin. Toshiro one shot Shawlong after Gentei Kaijo. Shawlong scales to 1/5 of Toshiro, he does not scale to full power Toshiro, he was one shot by full power Toshiro.

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/242/bleach-1589645-b9337315a7db02ca42e4f80de9791174.jpg, on this image uryu claims that grimm fraction are a mix of ajuchas and gillian, impling that what really happened is that they used to be adjuchas back on grimm flashback but reverted to a gillian like power after grimm ate a part of them

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589018-b555f012a59a80d0ef336b7cc63bd0d0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589020-bb60287560877e79cd1245a9e50d6ce0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589024-e2283d61612b24e2bcd2d1e409dd725d.jpg, on those three images toshiro claims several things

A: the first is that while gillians can be killed with easy by captains adjuchas are different implying them to be somewhat even in strenght, since toshiro is the one saying that is fair to assume that the adjuchas in question are being compared to his own strenght, which is consistent since he is the weakest captain, and the class of menos who come after adjuchas are the vasto lordes who are not equal to the captains but stronger

B:adjuchas are much stronger than gillians aka: much stronger than shawlong which toshiro claims to be gillian level

C: after becoming arrancar they get even stronger,which explains why a gillian like shawlong can fight evenly with toshiro, it also means that the adjuchas arrancar will be even above that version of toshiro as he considered their non-arrancar forms comparable to him

Do you have any proof FKT fraccion are above Gillian?

this is supported by the performance of the fraccion against the now trained and stronger captains in the FKT arc, because:

D: on chapter 330, 331 and 332 ggio vega one of baraggan's fraccion is show to be able to trade blows and survive attacks from soi fon even in his , base forcing her to use her shikai as well as knoking her in to a building and making her bleed, while soi fong was somewhat holding back he still made her bleed, survived an attack of a serious soi fong and only got killed by soi fong death manipulation shikai

Soi fon admits she was holding back, and the second she goes all out she effortlessly kills Vega. Vega doesn’t scale to full power Soi fon.

E: another of barragan fraccion named findor claims that according to his analysis he is on the level of a captain, which should include arrancar arc toshiro at least , since that toshiro fought arrancars twice and is one of the weakest captains

Captain level isn’t a set amount of joules and varies tremendously, as such that statement can’t be used to quantify much of anything.

Conclusion:
So with the fraccion of Barragan being possibly stronger than Shawlong in FKT it's not hard to assume that Yumichika, Kira, and Ikkaku powerscale to Hisagi with FKT keys and would all be "7-C, possibly 7-A"

Whatever tier 1/5 of Toshiro is would be far superior and sensible. They’d be flat out 7-B or 7-A not sure where Toshiro’s 7-A exactly scales from.

Edit: Also to support my point, look at Renji, he went from 7-C to 6-C in just one arc, couldn't these guys be given a similar treatment?

Thousand Year Blood War upgrades Evidence:

In TYBW Ikkaku and Yumichika were able tank Zombie Bambietta's attacks and even pierce into her and slice her arm off. Bambietta herself should not be any weaker than her alive AP because there was nothing stated about her being weaker although bambi movements are more sluggish and was harder to control as oppose to Toshiro, but that doesn't correlate to durability.

Conclusion: These guys deserve TYBW keys too

Ikkaku and Yumichika scaling to Zombie Bambi is fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Not much I can help here with since my knowledge on Bleach is limited. However Arc seems to make sense so I agree with Arc's assessment, but I do need to ask.

Soi fon admits she was holding back, and the second she goes all out she effortlessly kills Vega. Vega doesn’t scale to full power Soi fon.

She used her hax, no?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

not sure where Toshiro’s 7-A exactly scales from

One more Bleach storm calculation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Although does 6-C come from a x5 or x10 multiplier?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

She used her hax, no?

Yes she did blitz and kill Vega with Suzumebachi. Here is where Soi Fon states she was merely probing out the abilities of the Arrancar.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

One more Bleach storm calculation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Although does 6-C come from a x5 or x10 multiplier?

5x

Shawlong fought Gentei Reiin Toshiro in Bankai right? In which case he would just scale to the 7-A+ value, since Bankai Toshiro scales to 5x that value with his Bankai.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Yes she did blitz and kill Vega with Suzumebachi. Here is where Soi Fon states she was merely probing out the abilities of the Arrancar.

Ok, I agree then.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Shawlong fought Gentei Reiin Toshiro in Bankai right?

Yes

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes

Ok then he'd be scaling to the value of that calc (7-A+).

 

[Elizhaa]

I would be fine with Arc7Kuroi's assessments, from I read.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

So 'At least 7-C+, possibly/likely 7-A+' keys then?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

So 'At least 7-C+, possibly/likely 7-A+' keys then?

Yuh, but Shawlong should have flat out 7-A+ rating cuz he legitimately fought Gentei Reiin Bankai Shiro

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Shawlong should have flat out 7-A+ rating

FIXED THAT!!!

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

FIXED THAT!!!

Wait until Staff give you permission to edit.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I thought @Elizhaa was enough

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

2 staff approval is likely fine for sumn like this, but you should always double check

 

[Antvasima]

I think that what Griffin and Elizhaa have accepted can probably be applied.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I guess it's okay to edit the profiles now

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I guess it's okay to edit the profiles now

Can you draft what your edits will look like in this thread first, the way you worded Shawlong’s was a little goofy a while back.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

How do I make a sandbox?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

On the vsbw indexing site there should be a icon that looks a page, click that

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

vsbw indexing site

link?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Tiering System

The following is a comprehensive overview of the hierarchical system which this wiki utilizes in order to properly categorize and index fictional characters, entities, and objects based on the scale of their feats, and the varying scopes which they can affect or create/destroy. However, it...

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Not sure if I'm dumb or something, but I can't find the icon

 

[Torsin]

Not sure if I'm dumb or something, but I can't find the icon

Have you signed into your account on the external forum(indexing site)? You can only see the icon if you have signed in. It's the same login credentials you use to sign in here iirc.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I logged out and logged back in through this:



And I still don't see it

 

[Torsin]

Hmmm that's weird. Normally after you login you get directed to the Tiering system page and an icon that's a page should be visible on the top right side like this.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Oh, so I should be making a sandbox that under 'new page'

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

This sandbox is rather primitive, but at least it's a start: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bleach_sandbox_1

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’ll check it out when I get home just to make sure everything is green lit

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Feel free to make your own additions too

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The sandbox got moved to here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Hagane_no_Saiyajin/Bleach_Sandbox

 

[Antvasima]

The first page that you created was not a sandbox.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

The first page that you created was not a sandbox.

When I tried asking how to make a sandbox, I ended up misunderstanding the directions

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem. Just follow the URL pattern of the sandbox page that I created for you in the future.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

The sandbox got moved to here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Hagane_no_Saiyajin/Bleach_Sandbox

This looks fine at a brief glance

 

[chosen]

Agreed fra

 

[chosen]

Hold up but question
What about ss ichigo and renji pre training? Since 7c comes from fkt ikkaku

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

@chosen want to help with the sandbox?