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Bleach lower tier revision thread

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Fake Karakura town upgrades Evidence:

1: shawlong is capable of fighting against hitsugaya and is implied he only lost because got caught off guard by hitsu releasing the getei kaijou so shaolong is mountain level

2: here is the kicker, shaolong as well as all of grimmjow fraction are considered failed arrancar and gillian level according to aizen, therefore is fair to assume that the karakura town arrancar are stronger than shaolong and therefore mountain level

3: this would aply to the ones they scale to like yumichika, ikaku and kira

5: Yamamoto also ordered everyone in the Gotei to train for winter, so it's not like they would have stayed the same strength in the end

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cJngYwPH...VI1Ts9Zp8YF-OxyG9bNhQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/019.jpg, in this scene aizen says that all of grimm fracction were only gillians

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RVBh6-00...ZswEozU-8Z9wGLJk0WPyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/016.jpg, in this page toshiro says that shawlong was only a gillian, and that it took all of his strenght to defeat him meaning he should be comparable to 100% toshiro even

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/242/bleach-1589645-b9337315a7db02ca42e4f80de9791174.jpg, on this image uryu claims that grimm fraction are a mix of ajuchas and gillian, impling that what really happened is that they used to be adjuchas back on grimm flashback but reverted to a gillian like power after grimm ate a part of them

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589018-b555f012a59a80d0ef336b7cc63bd0d0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589020-bb60287560877e79cd1245a9e50d6ce0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589024-e2283d61612b24e2bcd2d1e409dd725d.jpg, on those three images toshiro claims several things

A: the first is that while gillians can be killed with easy by captains adjuchas are different implying them to be somewhat even in strenght, since toshiro is the one saying that is fair to assume that the adjuchas in question are being compared to his own strenght, which is consistent since he is the weakest captain, and the class of menos who come after adjuchas are the vasto lordes who are not equal to the captains but stronger

B:adjuchas are much stronger than gillians aka: much stronger than shawlong which toshiro claims to be gillian level

C: after becoming arrancar they get even stronger,which explains why a gillian like shawlong can fight evenly with toshiro, it also means that the adjuchas arrancar will be even above that version of toshiro as he considered their non-arrancar forms comparable to him

this is supported by the performance of the fraccion against the now trained and stronger captains in the FKT arc, because:

D: on chapter 330, 331 and 332 ggio vega one of baraggan's fraccion is show to be able to trade blows and survive attacks from soi fon even in his , base forcing her to use her shikai as well as knoking her in to a building and making her bleed, while soi fong was somewhat holding back he still made her bleed, survived an attack of a serious soi fong and only got killed by soi fong death manipulation shikai

E: another of barragan fraccion named findor claims that according to his analysis he is on the level of a captain, which should include arrancar arc toshiro at least , since that toshiro fought arrancars twice and is one of the weakest captains

Conclusion:
So with the fraccion of Barragan being possibly stronger than Shawlong in FKT it's not hard to assume that Yumichika, Kira, and Ikkaku powerscale to Hisagi with FKT keys and would all be "7-C, possibly 7-A"

Edit: Also to support my point, look at Renji, he went from 7-C to 6-C in just one arc, couldn't these guys be given a similar treatment?

Thousand Year Blood War upgrades Evidence:

In TYBW Ikkaku and Yumichika were able tank Zombie Bambietta's attacks and even pierce into her and slice her arm off. Bambietta herself should not be any weaker than her alive AP because there was nothing stated about her being weaker although bambi movements are more sluggish and was harder to control as oppose to Toshiro, but that doesn't correlate to durability.

Conclusion: These guys deserve TYBW keys too
 
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Before any of that we should try to upgrade SS renji to mountain level ( reading his profile there is no reason for him not being on that level ) after that the evidence stacks on each other
 
That is the first step, because if we get that we also get another of grimm fraccion at mountain level which makes other fraccion being at those levels more consistent
 
Like , renji managed
A: block byakuya kido
B: forced him to dodge to the point of making the pridefull byakuya get on his knees
C: could still stand after a hit from byakuya bankai
D: reacted to byakuys speed , despite speed being byakuya main thing on most of his fights, and arguably above most other characters on his level of power

Like i do not think renji fully scales to even shikai byakuya whatsoever but you cannot do those things while being over 10000 times weaker than someone period, there is no reason for why bankai renji shoul not at least downscale from shikai hitsugaya or something
 
Like , renji managed
A: block byakuya kido
B: forced him to dodge to the point of making the pridefull byakuya get on his knees
C: could still stand after a hit from byakuya bankai
D: reacted to byakuys speed , despite speed being byakuya main thing on most of his fights, and arguably above most other characters on his level of power

Like i do not think renji fully scales to even shikai byakuya whatsoever but you cannot do those things while being over 10000 times weaker than someone period, there is no reason for why bankai renji shoul not at least downscale from shikai hitsugaya or something
Feel free to add more on there (and fix my sloppy revision)
 
Feel free to add more on there (and fix my sloppy revision)
I just feel like we should move on smaller steps to be honest , like upgrading one character and go from there instead of upgrading half of the low tiers at the same time which is bound to create more questioning and disagreements
 
1: shawlong is capable of fighting against hitsugaya and is implied he only lost because got caught off guard by hitsu releasing the getei kaijou so shaolong is mountain level

2: here is the kicker, shaolong as well as all of grimmjow fraction are considered failed arrancar and gillian level according to aizen, therefore is fair to assume that the karakura town arrancar are stronger than shaolong and therefore mountain level

3: this would aply to the ones they scale to like yumichika, ikaku and kira

4 : they being on those levels is also consistent since one of them ( findor) is blatantly stated to have the strenght of an average captain and many of the others are show giving FKT captains a bit of trouble

5: Yamamoto also ordered everyone in the Gotei to train for winter, so it's not like they would have stayed the same strength in the end
do you have the scans or know the chapters theses are stated?
 
do you have the scans or know the chapters theses are stated?
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cJngYwPH...VI1Ts9Zp8YF-OxyG9bNhQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/019.jpg, in this scene aizen says that all of grimm fracction were only gillians

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RVBh6-00...ZswEozU-8Z9wGLJk0WPyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/016.jpg, in this page toshiro says that shawlong was only a gillian, and that it took all of his strenght to defeat him meaning he should be comparable to 100% toshiro even

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/242/bleach-1589645-b9337315a7db02ca42e4f80de9791174.jpg, on this image uryu claims that grimm fraction are a mix of ajuchas and gillian, impling that what really happened is that they used to be adjuchas back on grimm flashback but reverted to a gillian like power after grimm ate a part of them

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589018-b555f012a59a80d0ef336b7cc63bd0d0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589020-bb60287560877e79cd1245a9e50d6ce0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589024-e2283d61612b24e2bcd2d1e409dd725d.jpg, on those three images toshiro claims several things

A: the first is that while gillians can be killed with easy by captains adjuchas are different implying them to be somewhat even in strenght, since toshiro is the one saying that is fair to assume that the adjuchas in question are being compared to his own strenght, which is consistent since he is the weakest captain, and the class of menos who come after adjuchas are the vasto lordes who are not equal to the captains but stronger

B:adjuchas are much stronger than gillians aka: much stronger than shawlong which toshiro claims to be gillian level

C: after becoming arrancar they get even stronger,which explains why a gillian like shawlong can fight evenly with toshiro, it also means that the adjuchas arrancar will be even above that version of toshiro as he considered their non-arrancar forms comparable to him

this is supported by the performance of the fraccion against the now trained and stronger captains in the FKT arc, because:

D: on chapter 330, 331 and 332 ggio vega one of baraggan's fraccion is show to be able to trade blows and survive attacks from soi fon even in his , base forcing her to use her shikai as well as knoking her in to a building and making her bleed, while soi fong was somewhat holding back he still made her bleed, survived an attack of a serious soi fong and only got killed by soi fong death manipulation shikai

E: another of barragan fraccion named findor claims that according to his analysis he is on the level of a captain, which should include arrancar arc toshiro at least , since that toshiro fought arrancars twice and is one of the weakest captains
 
Drop the scans/present your argument for why that should be the case if you believe so.
It's simple, in TYBW Yachiru is the 2nd seat, and with the 3rd and 5th seat able to damage a Sternritter, she should be able to scale to them. Also she could harm Gremmy's Sternritter and put up an okay fight Gremmy himself
 
I can see a case for her scaling "likely above Ikkaku and Yumichika" considering she's the lieutenant of the combat division.
Could her being the Zanpakuto of Kenpachi have any justification in it? Zanpakuto spirits aren’t really weaker that their wielder right?
 
Can I ask a random question about Urahara Kisuke, if allowed?

Do we count filler episodes of the Anime where Urahara was shown being able to use "Bakudo #99, Part 1. Kin", where he used it to restrain Kurosaki in EP 337?

I didn't wanna open a question thread solely because of this one question, so, apologies for that.
 
Can I ask a random question about Urahara Kisuke, if allowed?

Do we count filler episodes of the Anime where Urahara was shown being able to use "Bakudo #99, Part 1. Kin", where he used it to restrain Kurosaki in EP 337?

I didn't wanna open a question thread solely because of this one question, so, apologies for that.
I don't think we use anime filler at all, those are not considered canon
 
I don't think we use anime filler at all, those are not considered canon
I would understand if it were to be similar to those with random episodes, but this particular "filler arc" is taken during-after Ichigo's canonically losing his Soul Power, that's what made me wonder.

Also, we kinda regard them as characters who deem to have a profile of their own despite them being from a "filler arc"?
 
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I would understand if it were to be similar to those with random episodes, but this particular "filler arc" is taken during-after Ichigo's canonically losing his Soul Power, that's what made me wonder.

Also, we kinda regard them as characters who deem to have a profile of their own despite them being from a "filler arc"?
We can have profiles for filler characters but we can't use filler feats for canon characters

It fitting in the timeline is a good start, but if the manga does not mention it or is not stated canon, then it ain't canon for the wiki standards
 
Please add the links for the scans so we can understand what you mean cause im confused without seeing the scans. I would appreaciate your effort if you can do that
 
Please add the links for the scans so we can understand what you mean cause im confused without seeing the scans. I would appreaciate your effort if you can do that
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cJngYwPH...VI1Ts9Zp8YF-OxyG9bNhQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/019.jpg, in this scene aizen says that all of grimm fracction were only gillians

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RVBh6-00...ZswEozU-8Z9wGLJk0WPyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/016.jpg, in this page toshiro says that shawlong was only a gillian, and that it took all of his strenght to defeat him meaning he should be comparable to 100% toshiro even

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/242/bleach-1589645-b9337315a7db02ca42e4f80de9791174.jpg, on this image uryu claims that grimm fraction are a mix of ajuchas and gillian, impling that what really happened is that they used to be adjuchas back on grimm flashback but reverted to a gillian like power after grimm ate a part of them

https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589018-b555f012a59a80d0ef336b7cc63bd0d0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589020-bb60287560877e79cd1245a9e50d6ce0.jpg, https://up.mangadudes.com/bleach/197/bleach-1589024-e2283d61612b24e2bcd2d1e409dd725d.jpg, on those three images toshiro claims several things

A: the first is that while gillians can be killed with easy by captains adjuchas are different implying them to be somewhat even in strenght, since toshiro is the one saying that is fair to assume that the adjuchas in question are being compared to his own strenght, which is consistent since he is the weakest captain, and the class of menos who come after adjuchas are the vasto lordes who are not equal to the captains but stronger

B:adjuchas are much stronger than gillians aka: much stronger than shawlong which toshiro claims to be gillian level

C: after becoming arrancar they get even stronger,which explains why a gillian like shawlong can fight evenly with toshiro, it also means that the adjuchas arrancar will be even above that version of toshiro as he considered their non-arrancar forms comparable to him

this is supported by the performance of the fraccion against the now trained and stronger captains in the FKT arc, because:

D: on chapter 330, 331 and 332 ggio vega one of baraggan's fraccion is show to be able to trade blows and survive attacks from soi fon even in his , base forcing her to use her shikai as well as knoking her in to a building and making her bleed, while soi fong was somewhat holding back he still made her bleed, survived an attack of a serious soi fong and only got killed by soi fong death manipulation shikai

E: another of barragan fraccion named findor claims that according to his analysis he is on the level of a captain, which should include arrancar arc toshiro at least , since that toshiro fought arrancars twice and is one of the weakest captains
 
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