Bleach God Tiers for real this time

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Even if you want to count those extra scene tid bits as canon to the story, im also very inclined to say its more or less a gag since Kon was "kicking" a rock to a "distant galaxy" in that scene.

It still comes off as an extremely vague basis of to use as supporting evidence.

 

[Makstar05]

Even if you want to count those extra scene tid bits as canon to the story, im also very inclined to say its more or less a gag since Kon was "kicking" a rock to a "distant galaxy" in that scene.

It still comes off as an extremely vague basis of to use as supporting evidence.

Lol its never implied that the rock ever reached the galaxy,just that Kon threw a rock in the direction of a galaxy.Using it as evidence is completly fine.

 

[Axxtentacle]

I personally wouldn't use that as supporting evidence.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Both Kon and Gremmy are aware of galaxies,which proves the WoTL is based on our universe.

It just proves that the universe exists.

 

[Makstar05]

It just proves that the universe exists.

And said universe is the WoTL.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

And said universe is the WoTL.

You're using circular reasoning.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Are we still on the idea that the human world is capped at solar system sized and that all of their knowledge and textbooks which are the same as ours up until the 2000s are BS lol?
Look at the hoops some of you are jumping through.

 

[Zoro21043]

through the division of Matter and Reishi soul king made wotl and ss
so they are the same size as the original universe he didnt divide the physical universe for wotl and ss to be 1/2 of the original no all he did was separate the spiritual and physical universe so they are each = the original universe this also explains why they are parallel and mirror each other just like how ichigos soul mirrors his physical body

 

[Alive90Achilles]

This is getting repetitive. Most of us have already addressed why the matter separation resulted into two universes
yet some of you are still pushing the same baseless negative.

 

[M2B3]

No lol, and your own scans continue to work against you. There are no "two universes", plain and simple. There's a couple of planets, that's it.

 

[Axxtentacle]

No lol, and your own scans continue to work against you. There are no "two universes", plain and simple. There's a couple of planets, that's it.

How do the scans "work against you"?

 

[Makstar05]

Lol there are still some who believe the SS and the WoTL are planets.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Lol there are still some who believe the SS and the WoTL are planets.

Some people just cant understand

 

[Axxtentacle]

No lol, and your own scans continue to work against you. There are no "two universes", plain and simple. There's a couple of planets, that's it.

That is yet to be proven, and you somehow seem incapable of answering the question. Saying "no lol" isn't anywhere near valid.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Idk how this is so complicated for some people to understand

1 big universe u cut it on half = 2 universe 1 made of matter the other of spirit matter

Made garganta around them to hold them and then use the corps of a monster to make lil planet on this other corner

Not to mention WOTL is literally base of our own world and universe and the SS is a mirror of WOTL

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So,

Soul Society/Muken/World of the Living = High 3-A each but all three exist within the same space-time?

Dangai/Valley of Screams = Variable sizes but both exist in different space-times?

Hueco Mundo = Unknown size but shares the same space-time as SS/WoL?

Garganta = Low 2-C+ for containing all those dimesions/universes and having it's own separate space-time?

Is this the gist?

 

[Axxtentacle]

Low 2-C+ strikes again...

 

[Zoro21043]

So,

Soul Society/Muken/World of the Living = High 3-A each but all three exist within the same space-time?

Dangai/Valley of Screams = Variable sizes but both exist in different space-times?

Hueco Mundo = Unknown size but shares the same space-time as SS/WoL?

Garganta = Low 2-C+ for containing all those dimesions/universes and having it's own separate space-time?

Is this the gist?

you got some things wrong
for now we arent talking about muken and considering wotl and ss = 3A each
and no all the realms exist in their own separate space time

 

[Alive90Achilles]

No lol, and your own scans continue to work against you. There are no "two universes", plain and simple. There's a couple of planets, that's i

Interesting, didn't know the old universe only had planets. Care to explain why the realms even have stars?

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Interesting, didn't know the old universe only had planets. Care to explain why the realms even have stars?

Those were not stars It was just our imagination

 

[Alive90Achilles]

Lol there are still some who believe the SS and the WoTL are planets.

Some even think Reio didn't create muken cuz it's not stated lol.

 

[Alive90Achilles]

Those were not stars It was just our imagination

nUu cOnTexT mAtTeRs, sU tHeI OnLy PaLnEtS duhh......

 

[Zoro21043]

guess our real world is just the size of a planet

 

[Damage3245]

Wow, almost two whole pages while I asleep.

Anyway, my biggest concern over the sealed Soul King is something that I brought up in a previous thread the last time we had this topic. The Soul King is not maintaining the entire Bleach-verse at once with his presence. We have from Yhwach's explanation that the Soul King is maintaining primarily the Soul Society, and the other dimensions are stabilized by being connected to it.

With Soul Society becoming unstable, the other dimensions that are connected to it become unstable as a consequence of that. This can also be inferred from the difference in the effects each dimension has after the Soul King's death. The Seireitei immediately begins crumbling apart but the Human World only has a mild, long-lasting earthquake.

The Soul King is the keystone, so take him out and the Soul Society is destroyed. As a result the other dimensions are destroyed too - so the current justification in the Google Docs that "The Soul King maintains the collapse of the Bleach cosmos" doesn't seem the most accurate to me.

This is another bit that's only really relevant for the Mimihagi scaling, but Mimihagi only begins to stabilize the Soul Society after it physically joins up with the Soul King's corpse. It's possible that Mimihagi by itself wouldn't be able to do anything to stabilize reality but joining forces with the Soul King's corpse it gains that level of power. We also know that corpses can be used to stabilize the dimensions via Yhwach's corpse after the war. So this could explain how Mimihagi was able to stabilize everyrhing while the other limbs of the Soul King don't appear to be nearly as powerful.

EDIT: And this is another matter I want to address, just because I'm a bit confused, but why is "stabilizing a dimension" equal to creating or destroying one? The "flow of souls" that disrupts dimensions does not seem quantifiable, and I don't see anywhere that it is implied that the amount of energy required to stabilize a dimension is equal to the amount of energy required to destroy it. It's like saying that the energy required to keep one domino from falling over is equal to the end result of every domino in a chain falling over.

 

[Makstar05]

I think we should get back to the topic now.

Life and Death and,the Soul Cycle have been stated to be universal in scale multiple times.
We know that the disturbing the Soul Cycle leads to the collapse of the universe and the same thing happens when the SK is killed(different methods,same result).

Rukia's diagram in the doc shows the universe as being the SS+WoTL;which also makes sense lore wise.We also know that the realms are not planets from the CFYOW statement:"if the SS and the WoTL could be likened to planets..."Lets not forget that the Reiokyu,no matter how far it is from the Seireitei; is still a part of SS.Then from the Isshin Dangai statement we know that both realms are separate space-times.

 

[Zoro21043]

This is another bit that's only really relevant for the Mimihagi scaling, but Mimihagi only begins to stabilize the Soul Society after it physically joins up with the Soul King's corpse. It's possible that Mimihagi by itself wouldn't be able to do anything to stabilize reality but joining forces with the Soul King's corpse it gains that level of power. We also know that corpses can be used to stabilize the dimensions via Yhwach's corpse after the war. So this could explain how Mimihagi was able to stabilize everyrhing while the other limbs of the Soul King don't appear to be nearly as powerful.

i agree with this i dont think mimihagi stopped reality from collapsing because of its own power but because of its ability of stagnation

Anyway, my biggest concern over the sealed Soul King is something that I brought up in a previous thread the last time we had this topic. The Soul King is not maintaining the entire Bleach-verse at once with his presence. We have from Yhwach's explanation that the Soul King is maintaining primarily the Soul Society, and the other dimensions are stabilized by being connected to it.

Yhwach was only in SS atm why would he care about mentioning WotL also my claim is supported by when he said "where massive number of souls pass" as he said that for soul society now massive number of souls dont pass in wotl?? no ofc which supports what i said about him being in ss and not caring about mentioning wotl, there is nothing that he said that is implying its a chain reaction that would be an assumption

With Soul Society becoming unstable, the other dimensions that are connected to it become unstable as a consequence of that. This can also be inferred from the difference in the effects each dimension has after the Soul King's death. The Seireitei immediately begins crumbling apart but the Human World only has a mild, long-lasting earthquake.

when yhwach talked about the worlds collapsing he said "now that it(it being soul king) is gone not just soul society but everything connected would collapse" if it was truly a chain reaction he wouldve said "now that the soul society is unstable" instead of "now that it is gone" you would have to assume things to say its a chain reaction

it also looks like the damage the quake caused wasnt = everywhere even in seiretei

And this is another matter I want to address, just because I'm a bit confused, but why is "stabilizing a dimension" equal to creating or destroying one? The "flow of souls" that disrupts dimensions does not seem quantifiable, and I don't see anywhere that it is implied that the amount of energy required to stabilize a dimension is equal to the amount of energy required to destroy it. It's like saying that the energy required to keep one domino from falling over is equal to the end result of every domino in a chain falling over.

"The "flow of souls" that disrupts dimensions does not seem quantifiable," thats not how rei o maintains tho its already accepted this is unrelated also thats not how yhwach was going to destroy everything and merge them as we see his reiatsu

" I don't see anywhere that it is implied that the amount of energy required to stabilize a dimension is equal to the amount of energy required to destroy it."
its already accepted on this wiki maintaining something=significantly affecting

 

[Alive90Achilles]

It's possible that Mimihagi by itself wouldn't be able to do anything to stabilize reality but joining forces with the Soul King's corpse it gains that level of power.

If stabilizing was an auto feat than yes but it isn't. Mimihagi used the stillness(his own power) to stabilize the realms. Him latching on to the corpse is so he could merge with sk and gain the power to stabilize the realms constantly....I'll address why as well

So this could explain how Mimihagi was able to stabilize everyrhing while the other limbs of the Soul King don't appear to be nearly as powerful.

Not really. The fragments don't have to be equal in power. Sk has been stabilizing the realms for a long period of time...over centuries and it wouldn't be possible if he had limited reserves. So we know sk has infinite reserves which doesn't cause Mimihagi scaling to low multiversal as an issue

And this is another matter I want to address, just because I'm a bit confused, but why is "stabilizing a dimension" equal to creating or destroying one?

He's using his own energy to prevent macrocosm lvls of DC. So he can accomplish the same thing in reverse thru his power if he wants to destroy the realms

 

[Alive90Achilles]

"if the SS and the WoTL could be likened to planets..."Lets not forget that the Reiokyu,no matter how far it is from the Seireitei; is still a part of SS.Then from the Isshin Dangai statement we know that both realms are separate space-times.

Agreed. The irony is the that ppl don't realize they're legit admitting the Dangai is a pipeline by taking that seriously lol

 

[Dangai_Ichigo]

And some people are still ignoring context of the civilisations and their own research.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

And some people are still ignoring context of the civilisations and their own research.

dUh! Diz is'a different human civilization with a different history and development compared to IRL

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Life and Death and,the Soul Cycle have been stated to be universal in scale multiple times.

I addressed why this doesn't translate to the literal size of the universe before.

 

[LightReinh12345]

I think we should for either official translations or scale them to "likely" Or "probably"

 

[Damage3245]

Don't know about anyone else, but waiting for an official translation sounds good to me.

(Let's be honest, Bleach has waited a long time for this. We can afford to wait a little bit more.)

 

[LightReinh12345]

Don't know about anyone else, but waiting for an official translation sounds good to me.

(Let's be honest, Bleach has waited a long time for this. We can afford to wait a little bit more.)

I agree here waiting for the official translations looks like the best Option available to me

 

[StrymULTRA]

Wait, we were really doing this without an official translation released before?

 

[Zoro21043]

Don't know about anyone else, but waiting for an official translation sounds good to me.

(Let's be honest, Bleach has waited a long time for this. We can afford to wait a little bit more.)

we already used the non official to scale the soul king why wait now?
and i dont think there is anything in volume 3 that arc is using which isnt accepted aside from auras statement
plus the official can have flaws like unohanas statement or aizens kurohitsugi
and arc knows japanese

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

You don’t need official translations for a thread. OP literally breaks down the raws.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean that the entirely of the novel should've been released before because of a thing called context, we can't give raws when there may be a context which leads to a different meaning.

 

[00potato]

We rarely use the official translations anyway???
We almost always prefer the raw translations.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I think people misunderstood me.

I never told "let's use just the official ones", I said that we should wait because there may be context behind said scans/raws used that may completely change their meaning.