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Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Namor has the dehydration weakness though it takes a lot of heat to weaken him. Should he get a dehydrated key or should his strength just vary depending on how wet he is
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Varies, there doesn't seem to be a large power difference nor any extra/less abilities between dehydrated and hydrated to deserve a keys
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Doesn't he jump from building level while dehydrated to country (??) level due to destroying vibranium
Shuri is also going to get a new key, the artificial herb should be comparable to the original since it grants her the exact same powers along with access to the Astral Plan. Her age should also get updated to 21 - 22 since the movies takes place in 2025 and Shuri was blipped
Shuri is also going to get a new key, the artificial herb should be comparable to the original since it grants her the exact same powers along with access to the Astral Plan. Her age should also get updated to 21 - 22 since the movies takes place in 2025 and Shuri was blipped
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In what point did he destroy vibranium by himself? If you mean those aircrafts it was thought a weapon, and I'm not even sure if those vehicles should be rated as Country considering those can break down from land crashes
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Fair, I've only seen mentions of scaling Wakandan Vehicles to things like Caps Shield and the Panther Habit's Claw due to it being vibranium
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Pretty sure Wakandan vehicles aren't purely vibranium or are using weaker versions of it. Cap's shield, Vision and the Panther Habit claws are a different story.
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Nah, no way in hell the ships fly. They're not pure vibranium to start off with.
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WHAT
I would like to remind you all that while this is probably most definitely not applicable, he’s saying this about the dude who didn’t even get to drink the heart shaped herb
EDIT: I read that in reverse, my bad. Him saying that about Namor makes way more sense
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Mine are still recovering from reading two novels and several assignments
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Other than the fact that powerful enough blows can knock out vibranium ships out of skies? And that they more so use its technological abilities more so than brute force like we usually see in their spears?
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Just got back from seeing the movie.
Namor destroys M'Baku's Jabari wood staff and armor, which should apparently be at least somewhat comparable to vibranium, and is subsequently referred to as being "potentially as strong as the Hulk" by M'Baku, so 6-B seems solid for Namor at his peak. His spear is also stated to be made of raw vibranium, and cuts through Wakandan vehicles with ease. Also, he gets Longevity, as he was born in the 1500s.
Shuri as Black Panther shattered a large rock formation with a kinetic energy pulse. A heavily dehydrated and weakened Namor, who Shuri could trade blows with, tanked the pulse at point blank range, so depending on what results a calc might give, it's likely usable as either a good supporting AP feat for 8-C characters, or a potential upgrade.
Black Panther Shuri manages to (with effort) walk off getting impaled straight through the torso with a spear, so I guess Low-Mid(?) Regeneration for Heart-Shaped Herb users.
The Heart-Shaped Herb is suggested to have the capabilities of curing an unknown, but lethal illness, though the details were kept a bit vague.
The regular Talocanil are stated to be superhuman and live at ocean depths stated to be able to break every bone in a human body from the pressure, so probably "at least 9-B" for them. This would also scale to the Midnight Angel armors, which grant comparable strength.
Ironheart Mark 1 is probably at least 9-B, maybe 9-A going by the size of an explosion it created. Mark 2 should downscale from peak Namor for slightly harming him with a blast and taking a hit from him.
Namor destroys M'Baku's Jabari wood staff and armor, which should apparently be at least somewhat comparable to vibranium, and is subsequently referred to as being "potentially as strong as the Hulk" by M'Baku, so 6-B seems solid for Namor at his peak. His spear is also stated to be made of raw vibranium, and cuts through Wakandan vehicles with ease. Also, he gets Longevity, as he was born in the 1500s.
Shuri as Black Panther shattered a large rock formation with a kinetic energy pulse. A heavily dehydrated and weakened Namor, who Shuri could trade blows with, tanked the pulse at point blank range, so depending on what results a calc might give, it's likely usable as either a good supporting AP feat for 8-C characters, or a potential upgrade.
Black Panther Shuri manages to (with effort) walk off getting impaled straight through the torso with a spear, so I guess Low-Mid(?) Regeneration for Heart-Shaped Herb users.
The Heart-Shaped Herb is suggested to have the capabilities of curing an unknown, but lethal illness, though the details were kept a bit vague.
The regular Talocanil are stated to be superhuman and live at ocean depths stated to be able to break every bone in a human body from the pressure, so probably "at least 9-B" for them. This would also scale to the Midnight Angel armors, which grant comparable strength.
Ironheart Mark 1 is probably at least 9-B, maybe 9-A going by the size of an explosion it created. Mark 2 should downscale from peak Namor for slightly harming him with a blast and taking a hit from him.
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From what I'm getting, doesn't that statement just mean that Jabari wood has comparable AP to Vibranium weaponry, not durability, which isn't necessarily 6-B scaling?
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We've seen that sharpened vibranium weapons can scale to vibranium's durability (such as Black Panther's claws scratching Captain America's shield), so the specific mention of vibranium swords in the statement lead me to assume that Jabari wood must be at least somewhat comparable in durability to go "toe-to-toe" against them. Namor destroying the wood also seemed to play a large part in M'Baku considering him as strong as the Hulk, considering M'Baku seemed confident he could take down Namor himself prior to that occurring.
Either way, I feel like the Hulk scaling for Namor should be usable, considering it was stated both directly by Ryan Coogler and in the movie itself, so it seems like the intention is very clear.
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Ah, that's true. I guess 6-B scaling seems alright
I'm fine with using the movie statement. I disagree with using Ryan Coogler's
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My problem with the statement about Jabari being comparable to vibranium mostly comes from a narrative perspective
Several movies make about how powerful is vibranium, how is so strong that its able to withstand attacks from gods, how everyone tries to take over wakanda's reserves specifically in a time of weakness, and how it was such a big deal Thanos managed to break caps shields all by his physical strength.
But out of nowhere, the Jabari always had this powerful wood that is just as strong as vibranium (Which makes me question how they are even able to cut it from trees) lying around without anyone ever making mention of it?
Several movies make about how powerful is vibranium, how is so strong that its able to withstand attacks from gods, how everyone tries to take over wakanda's reserves specifically in a time of weakness, and how it was such a big deal Thanos managed to break caps shields all by his physical strength.
But out of nowhere, the Jabari always had this powerful wood that is just as strong as vibranium (Which makes me question how they are even able to cut it from trees) lying around without anyone ever making mention of it?
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You can not deny it
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Not to mention Jabari Wood grows naturally in that area, unlike Vibranium which is specified to have come from a meteor that hit Africa millions of years ago.
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Pretty sure we had a CRT where not all vibranium is equal, save for Vision, Cap's shield, the Spire and BP's claws. And the actual spears.
At best I can see the vehicles being Tier 8, but even that is a stretch.
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Everyone's talking about strength but no-one is talking about speed especially when namor dodges gunship fire (If you can call it that I haven't seen the first black panther movie and don't know the names all too well)
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It was good but the ending was predictable
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Namor is 454 years old, being born in 1571, real name is K'uk'ulkan
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Yeah we know
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The vibranium affected the plant and animal life around the area. Jabari wood is vibranium-enhanced in its raw natural state, and further tempered into weapons.
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Opening scene of the first Black Panther movie says the vibranium meteorite affected the plant life around it. Jabari wood is plant life.
The scene of Namor busting M'Baku's wood-based armor is why M'Baku thinks Namor could be Hulk strength.
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Yeah, plant life directly. Then human and animal life through the consumption of those plants. The Wakandans themselves range from peak to superhumans.
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M'Baku is pretty strong. He's straight lifting this dude with one arm fully outstretched:
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I'm going to see the movie in about an hour
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That doesn't address my point completely tho.
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So now Namor has a dehydration weakness to be noted, huh. And seeing how Shuri was able to keep up with him despite being heavily weakened, does that mean she's stronger than T'Challa? She did also blow up that huge rock structure. And also, how fast are those ship bullets? Considering how Namor reacted to them a bunch of times. And if it's true that Namor is as strong as Hulk at this point, would his speed be around MHS+ or Rel+?
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Why would he scale in speed when they're talking about physical strength. And if he does, Hulk is Massively Hypersonic+, so he would just scale to that
I don't think so
