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What side are you on??I agree with this crt fra
I agree with the opWhat side are you on??
Clover is against 80% of the crt and you said you agree with him now you are saying you agree with the OP
Okay, so I will change the name.Should've never been that way. Pain Manipulation is very much its own thing. "Pain Tolerance" does not exist on the wiki, those are just stamina feats.
I'm noticing a recurring problem: You always take flowery language literally. Not once does the curse actually trap the Roselei family in this "cage of time," it's flowery language to describe how she'll forever be cursed with this. Looking at the phrase in context, that much should be obvious.
Only a high tier Forbidden Spell could do this, and it wasn't so much sending them into the future. Rather, the souls were being suspended.
He did not imply arcane stages affect natural laws. He implied that Vanessa's and Grey's specifically do (Vanessa overturns fate and Grey can rearrange someone's very structure, very much manipulating natural laws by undoing what should've been certain death)
They use power from the Underworld, yes. That power is described as "supernatural," but never once is Arcane Stage in a general case noted to manipulate the natural laws. Lucifero's case is a case of how overwhelming his raw power is. Morris' case is an amplification of his already-existing abilities, and no one else has replicated such a thing, so I can't in good faith say this is general for Arcane Stages.
Like I said someone manipulating gravity and warping space is just a one of the attributes of gravity manip and increase in mass, not physics or law manip.
All conventional gravity manipulation is physics manipulation and altering the laws of physics
At best if we took this to mean literal laws then it would only be the ones shown which is gravity
Has Yuno ever used his "deconstruction" in combat?Doesn't Zenon already have Power Null? As for the Resistance to Deconstruction and Corrosion, I frankly think the way we treat Yuno's passive deconstruction is super wanked but given how all of Zagred, Zenon, and Lucifero resisted the corrosion of Spirit of Zephyr, it could honestly be something to add to the Devil Physiology page.
It's a passive ability that he believes is a bit wanked.Has Yuno ever used his "deconstruction" in combat?
I don’t care if you call it nitpickingYou are merely just nitpicking and using the point to appeal to the fact that people don't rate gravity manipulators as law manipulation on vsbattle wiki. And disregarding everything i said on that post that isn't related to that point.
It's so dumb because you and I already know gravity manipulation alters the laws of physics. So I'm sorry if it is a popular belief that gravity manipulation isn't manipulating the laws of physics on vsbattle wiki. I am only using the truth as one example out of many.
I don’t care if you call it nitpicking
We don’t grant physics or law manip to people who manipulate gravity.
So someone manipulating gravity is not a proof of law manipulation you can find others tho
Or rather give people with devil powers the abilities they were shown to haveYou should care because your claim is wrong.
I am not saying "give Dante Law Manipulation on his vsbattle wiki page for having gravity manipulation". I am saying that manipulating fundamental laws like Gravity is only possibly thanks to the devil's power.
What I am saying is "give Dante Law Manipulation on his vsbattle wiki profile because he uses Devil Power." You would've understood this if you acknowledged my entire argument as a whole rather than nitpicking a single point to discredit everything.
Or rather give people with devil powers the abilities they were shown to have
Nope you want to generalize their powers when it was specific and to each their ownYeah, that's what I'm doing and you can check their pages for more info.
Nope you want to generalize their powers when it was specific and to each their own
It’s like giving all magic users law manip
Only one devil has this Gravity manip though right? We wouldn't give Lilith and Naamah law manip for their ice and fire.Yeah, but my point revolves around the fact that devil power manipulates the laws of nature
- only devils can manipulate one of the laws of physics as their magic type.
- Humans and Elves can manipulate one or more laws of not just physics but the nature of the world itself depending on the forbidden magic spell they use.
- Forbidden magic users are collected under arcane stage because devil magic can manipulate the natural laws of the BC world.
The gist of everything is that their magic breaks conventional laws of the verse. Flame and Ice isn't all they use their magic for as Devils.Only one devil has this Gravity manip though right? We wouldn't give Lilith and Naamah law manip for their ice and fire.
Them burning "everything" does not make it law manipulation. Effecting a law does not grant law Manipulation,The gist of everything is that their magic breaks conventional laws of the verse. Flame and Ice isn't all they use their magic for as Devils.
The Devil Fire magic and Devil Ice magic themselves are implied to literally burn and freeze everything in the verse
Effecting a law does not grant law Manipulation,
Can be resistance to natural laws. Vanessa's Cat can resist or bypass the effects of gravity magic, Asta can nullify it.If affecting natural laws isn't law manipulation, then what is?
Vanessa doesn't resist it, she bypasses it. She bypasses anything that is dangerous to her and her family. She bypasses even Death. She manipulates the laws of nature via the laws of causality.Can be resistance to natural laws. Vanessa's Cat can resist or bypass the effects of gravity magic, Asta can nullify it.
The thing being an actual Law and not “natural laws“Vanessa doesn't resist it, she bypasses it. She bypasses anything that is dangerous to her and her family. She bypasses even Death. She manipulates the laws of nature via the laws of causality.
Asta negs that and he can even manipulate his own laws of causality regarding magic with the demon destroyer as an added bonus.
And others who qualify for Arcane Stage have their own feats that impose their own laws on conventional reality.
If all of these don't grant Law Manipulation, what does?
The thing being an actual Law and not “natural laws“
The difference is that Dante’s gravity magic is stated to be Law based gravity, its just gravity.What's the difference?
The difference is that Dante’s gravity magic is stated to be Law based gravity, its just gravity.
You asked what's the difference and I told you, Law Manipulation is control over laws themselves, Gravity Manipulation is control over the physical aspect of the Law of Gravity in nature. If you don't like this explanation or think I'm just wrong then wait for some other opinions igThat's not what I asked.
You asked what's the difference and I told you, Law Manipulation is control over laws themselves, Gravity Manipulation is control over the physical aspect of the Law of Gravity in nature.
The thing being an actual Law and not “natural laws“
not really a difference in general, more of a contextual difference. Dante’s talking about gravity, the physical aspect since that’s all we know he knows about and not the Law of Gravity.No
What is the difference between actual Laws and natural laws
This is something else.I agree with the op
not really a difference in general, more of a contextual difference. Dante’s talking about gravity, the physical aspect since that’s all we know he knows about and not the Law of Gravity.
Dante was literally talking about vanessa and asta being able to interfere with his gravity. And I do not mean physical in the literal sense, I mean the physical aspects of gravity aka its affects.No, Dante was talking about something else. I was the one who mentioned gravity, little did I know someone would nitpick the gravity part and use how people rate profiles on this site as a counterargument to common sense lol. I also said body magic bypasses conventional healing too but it got ignored. Just read the first paragraph of the summary im about to send for what Dante was talking about.
FYI gravity isn't physical. Like @Pain_to12 and I said, Gravity Manipulation influence the laws of gravity. So like you said, there is no difference. cuz law is a law. It is just unnecessary to add physics/law manipulation to profiles when gravity is already an ability on wiki lol.
Dante was literally talking about vanessa and asta being able to interfere with his gravity. And I do not mean physical in the literal sense, I mean the physical aspects of gravity aka its affects.
Dante's referring to Gravity. How do u not get this?No, Dante was not specific about the laws being manipulated. He saw Vanessa’s spell that goes against natural order and immediately knew it was an arcane stage because Arcane Stages defy natural laws.
And to be clear. Manipulating Natural Laws is literally Law Manipulation.
So can we please go back to the main argument of whether or not Dante meant Arcane Stages manipulate natural laws?
Dante's referring to Gravity. How do u not get this?
His ability is literally gravity manip and Vanessa interfered with it, that's the "natural law" he's referring to. Vanessa has no resistance, she just has a higher form of hax called Fate manip. Fate Manipulation > Gravity ManipulationIt could literally be anything.
What are you implying anyway? If its gravity he referred to as "natural laws", which doesn't make sense, are you implying that Vanessa has resistance to gravity manipulation?
His ability is literally gravity manip and Vanessa interfered with it, that's the "natural law" he's referring to. Vanessa has no resistance, she just has a higher form of hax called Fate manip. Fate Manipulation > Gravity Manipulation
I'm not twisting anything, He says that in reference to her interfering with his Gravity, Gravity is a "natural law". I literally disagree with anything being law based here.So you are twisting Dante's words from "Natural Laws*" to the law of gravity. So you can make a claim that Vanessa's Fate Manipulation is law-based because it can affect even the law of gravity. So what have you accomplished?
and you should go through possible uses under law manipulation page
It was pluralismI'm not twisting anything, He says that in reference to her interfering with his Gravity, Gravity is a "natural law". I literally disagree with anything being law based here.