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BLACK CLOVER CRT: EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED

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Technically the narrator said "decimate humanity", not completely kill off humanity, right?
Yeah. But, then it said Lumiere "saved humankind."

Even if the narrator meant decimate as the literal definition, it still massively upscales Demon Licht's feat AND would still mean he destroyed the ocean to kill the people at the bottom of it since it is in close proximity.
 
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Yeah. But, then it said Lumiere "saved humankind."

Even if the narrator meant decimate as the literal definition, it still massively upscales Demon Licht's feat AND would still mean he destroyed the ocean to kill the people at the bottom of it since it is in close proximity.

I don't recall it being said that he would kill of humanity in a single attack.
 
You have to provide actual valid contentions on why you believe it's most likely hype text, the fact this feat or statement wasn't shown in the manga isn't a counter to it being true, statements are valid just like feats,
yes statements are valid if they have other things to back them up. especially statements that are open to interpretations
and yes "He is so strong he can wipe out this country with a hand" is a hype text if all i ever did was destroy a small town inside the country
until you can find a contradiction with it you can't claim it isn't usable. Also things remotely close to it do happen, like Dorthy creating moons within her dimension.
Those moons are not moon size, the look smaller and besides, at that distance between those moons they should be pulling each other apart, if they have the same mass as the actual moon, as they are supposed to be made from the same properties and have the same characteristics. so the moon point is weak also.
also creating a space with moon in it, is actually 5-A, not to talk of 2, if we want to be accurate.
But no, why can't you push for 5-A since that will be truly striving for accuracy, also add the 6000+ multiplier and you have tier 4.
You're trying to cap their AP with their DC, which isn't correct since destructive capability isn't an inherent limiter to one's AP, someone with massively more AP can have massively lower DC. This could easily be the case, you have to prove why this would be a cap for their AP.
Never said it is a cap, but is salamander supposedly vapourizing the ocean not a DC move? literally a feat enough to cover a whole continent the 1000ri is also a DC feat, bigger than most countries out there. So this your point about DC and AP is really not it, as the Salamander who is way weaker feat is also a DC feat. And the way the statements were made, it is a DC move, also the multiple calcs that are consistent and places them lower than the value versus a single calc that is iffy that has thousands times the other calcs, that is an outlier.
Based on what? They're in the background, so what's your proof?
Well I have eyes and I can see that it is not that big compared to everything else.
we can pixel scale the distance, you know, I am willing to do that, lets see the size of the moon.
 
Well I have eyes and I can see that it is not that big compared to everything else.
we can pixel scale the distance, you know, I am willing to do that, lets see the size of the moon.

One word: perspective
 
I don't recall it being said that he would kill of humanity in a single attack.
It's implied. It says that Demon Licht "Came close". This means it actually very nearly happened.

Demon Licht charges up an attack. Lumiere thinks that if he blocks it, it's still strong enough to destroy Clover. But also thinks he may actually not be strong enough.

That makes it more likely than not.
 
Well I have eyes and I can see that it is not that big compared to everything else.
we can pixel scale the distance, you know, I am willing to do that, lets see the size of the moon.
Yeah px scale it lol. And everything in the scan is closer than the moons are so that doesn’t really work ofc its gonna look smaller
 
One word: perspective
Yeah px scale it lol. And everything in the scan is closer than the moons are so that doesn’t really work ofc its gonna look smaller
they are shown closer to the 'moon' cause they are as close to the moon, as they are. it is obvious they are not as big as an actual moon, so why are you claiming they are of the same size as the moon to begin with? Nothing states it is the same size as an actual moon and visuals shows them to be way smaller.
why am I not counting the votes?*🤡

Did I count all the agreements or neutrals? Or what are you insinuating exactly?
that you should count the votes properly, pretty simple
 
I still agree with this, but both Damage and Mitch don't so I don't see any way it'll be accepted.
 
I feel iffy about this since it would put the Fire Salamander and Demon Licht on the same tier if we use the 1000 ri vaporization to support Demon Licht life-wiping humanity and having High 6-A scaling based on the Third Eye - since the members should be comparable to eachother - so early on in the series would get messy

Demon Licht/Unsealed Licht/Zagred (High 6-A) > Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Elf Arc) > Apostles of Sephirah/Members of the Black Bulls (Elf Arc) > Reincarnated Elves/Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Royal Knights Arc) > Fana and the rest of the Third Eye with the Evil Eye active (High 6-A) > Captains/Patry (EoTMS Arc)

Note: I used the Evil Eye version of of the Third Eye because that was when the Salamander was the most developed with Fana and this thread has established the Salamander's growth contributing to the High 6-A rating

High 6-A/5-C Magna just seems ridiculous (he is scaled to Reve and Elf Luck)

PS: to "decimate" means to literally remove a tenth of somethin, but the translators could have just used it to mean "devastate", if the original japanese text talks about Demon Licht devastating/ravaging/destroying humanity then my only other nitpick is that it seems to be a tale retold by the Clover Kingdom and tales often embellish details (which is demonstrated by the version of the First WK's story that Noelle was told as a kid).
Then again this could just be my mindset from analysing English Literature

These are just things I could think of against the CRT, overall I'd say I'm neutral
 
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Ima say it cuz I’m evil but I think this calc addition would be a lot less controversial if we were stricter with multipliers and adhered more to the multiplier page for multiplier stacks beyond 100x
 
Look, I have issues about them being Moon sized too, right? But you just say they're not Moon sized because you can see it, otherwise I can say the real Moon is smaller than my finger

Unless you can find an object with a estimated size remotely close to that "moon" you can tell how big nor how small it is
 
I feel iffy about this since it would put the Fire Salamander and Demon Licht on the same tier if we use the 1000 ri vaporization to support Demon Licht life-wiping humanity and having High 6-A scaling based on the Third Eye - since the members should be comparable to eachother - so early on in the series would get messy

Demon Licht/Unsealed Licht/Zagred (High 6-A) > Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Elf Arc) > Apostles of Sephirah/Members of the Black Bulls (Elf Arc) > Reincarnated Elves/Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Royal Knights Arc) > Fana and the rest of the Third Eye with the Evil Eye active (High 6-A) > Captains/Patry (EoTMS Arc)

High 6-A/5-C Magna just seems ridiculous (he is scaled to Reve and Elf Luck)

PS: to "decimate" means to literally remove a tenth of somethin, but the translators could have just used it to mean "devastate", if the original japanese text talks about Demon Licht devastating/ravaging/destroying humanity then my only other nitpick is that it seems to be a tale retold by the Clover Kingdom and tales often embelish details (which is demonstrated by the version of the First WK's story that Noelle was told as a kid).
Then again this could just be my mindset from analysing English Literature

These are just things I could think of against the CRT, overall I'd say I'm neutral
Nothing wrong with characters being on the same tier but one being considerably stronger than the other. This happens.

Magna scaling is a little off-putting but he has feats to back up his scaling to characters. Like him surpassing Black Asta in the Mid-TS.

Primary definition is to kill a large percentage of. The secondary definition is the "kill one in ten" and is used for punishment. So the primary definition seems to be the more apt one to use.

BUT, it also says Lumiere saved humankind. Which would refer to it as a whole. This is also a narrator opening and isn't a tale like Noelle's stories.
 
That's not the right attitude to take. Just because a couple of staff members disagree with something doesn't mean there is "no way it'll be accepted".
What I meant was that you need a majority of staff to agree, and right now only 1 agrees while 2 disagree.

And both sides make good points even if I still favor the OP.
 
What would Captains and other characters before the Witches' Forest Arc scale to?
 
yes statements are valid if they have other things to back them up. especially statements that are open to interpretations
and yes "He is so strong he can wipe out this country with a hand" is a hype text if all i ever did was destroy a small town inside the country
No? statements are usually considered valid unless directly contradicted, which is something you haven't evidenced being true. I agree that the statement is open to interpretations, you just haven't actually substantiated your interpretation with valid evidence. You've only appealed to the lack of feats on this level, which isn't an inherent contradiction. Especially when feats near or above this level do exist within the series.

That isn't applicable to Salamander since Salamander doesn't have anti-feats which contradicts the statement being taken literally. Especially since the statement is referencing Prime Salamander, not the Salamander which Fana and Ladros used.

Those moons are not moon size, the look smaller and besides, at that distance between those moons they should be pulling each other apart, if they have the same mass as the actual moon, as they are supposed to be made from the same properties and have the same characteristics. so the moon point is weak also.
also creating a space with moon in it, is actually 5-A, not to talk of 2, if we want to be accurate.
But no, why can't you push for 5-A since that will be truly striving for accuracy, also add the 6000+ multiplier and you have tier 4.
You can't prove they aren't "moon sized" given the perspective of the shot we're given, we clearly see they're most likely moons because of multiple implications, which means it's a completely valid assumption to say they're at least comparable to the size of our moon. Not inherently since authors aren't physicist and don't understand the implications or natural consequences what some actions could cause, going by your argument we shouldn't assume characters move at the speed of light, even if they're stated so because they don't instantly destroy everything around them in a massive explosion. Just isn't a good argument.

I don't believe that is currently accepted but idk for sure, someone whose more knowledgeable about calcs can tackle that.

Never said it is a cap, but is salamander supposedly vapourizing the ocean not a DC move? literally a feat enough to cover a whole continent the 1000ri is also a DC feat, bigger than most countries out there. So this your point about DC and AP is really not it, as the Salamander who is way weaker feat is also a DC feat. And the way the statements were made, it is a DC move, also the multiple calcs that are consistent and places them lower than the value versus a single calc that is iffy that has thousands times the other calcs, that is an outlier.
Can you re-type this? since i'm deadass not understanding what your main point is here given the broken English.
 
So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?
 
So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?
Chopper reference

It aint loading Epsilon
 
So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?
No. He would scale to the Salamander in base form. And wouldn't be that all inconsistent because the Witch Queen, who scales above the salamander, had just amped him.
 
So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?
I mean ladros was stomping asta yet black asta just flied trough his Blast and one shotted
Not that far stretched
 
they are shown closer to the 'moon' cause they are as close to the moon, as they are. it is obvious they are not as big as an actual moon, so why are you claiming they are of the same size as the moon to begin with? Nothing states it is the same size as an actual moon and visuals shows them to be way smaller.
I'm confused on what you mean.
 
I feel iffy about this since it would put the Fire Salamander and Demon Licht on the same tier if we use the 1000 ri vaporization to support Demon Licht life-wiping humanity and having High 6-A scaling based on the Third Eye - since the members should be comparable to eachother - so early on in the series would get messy

Demon Licht/Unsealed Licht/Zagred (High 6-A) > Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Elf Arc) > Apostles of Sephirah/Members of the Black Bulls (Elf Arc) > Reincarnated Elves/Black Asta and Spirit Dive Yuno (Royal Knights Arc) > Fana and the rest of the Third Eye with the Evil Eye active (High 6-A) > Captains/Patry (EoTMS Arc)
This happens all the time, especially because High 6-A in itself is such a massive tier
 
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