BLACK CLOVER CRT: EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED

[Damage3245]

I mean ladros was stomping asta yet black asta just flied trough his Blast and one shotted
Not that far stretched

A difference of over 4.3 million times between his two forms isn't much of a stretch?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

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So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?

Around the time, Black Asta is depicted to one shot opponents base mode struggle with.

 

[CloverDragon03]

That's not the right attitude to take. Just because a couple of staff members disagree with something doesn't mean there is "no way it'll be accepted".

You kinda have to be realistic about it though... and in that sense, he's not wrong

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Uhhh some problems might be With our current scaling then

Cuz we have peak sally 10 times above base asta yet weaker than the trio still

Actually, I don't think Base Asta scales directly to the calc. He does to Base Salamander. But he was clearly inferior to the full power of the spirit with the Third Eye activated.

 

[theultimate5105]

Nuclear War would “Decimate Humanity”
Are nukes High 6-A now
Also using people living at the bottom of the ocean as an argument for them needing to vape the oceans is a terrible argument, simply vaping a few Kilometers around the area where the people are living would kill them
Anyways I disagree

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

A difference of over 4.3 million times between his two forms isn't much of a stretch?

Chopper reference x2

 

[Arkenis]

Nuclear War would “Decimate Humanity”

This completely ignores the power of the attacks though, Nukes decimate humanity due to several different things but they are not destroying a country unlike the devil.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Uhhh some problems might be With our current scaling then

Cuz we have peak sally 10 times above base asta yet weaker than the trio still

Sally's in her own little scaling bubble because no one scales directly to her iirc

Nuclear War would “Decimate Humanity”
Are nukes High 6-A now
Also using people living at the bottom of the ocean as an argument for them needing to vape the oceans is a terrible argument, simply vaping a few Kilometers around the area where the people are living would kill them
Anyways I disagree

Kinda dishonest given the Demon Licht thing is nowhere near the crux of the argument

 

[chosen]

A difference of over 4.3 million times between his two forms isn't much of a stretch?

Tbf base asta is only high 7a+ due to lack of higher scaling quantification anyways

 

[Eseseso]

Spoiler: Rough Scaling Chain

This happens all the time, especially because High 6-A in itself is such a massive tier

As a One Piece fan, can confirm.

 

[chosen]

Sally's in her own little scaling bubble because no one scales directly to her iirc

She is why the currently midnight sun eyes unsealed powera are 6c

 

[CloverDragon03]

A difference of over 4.3 million times between his two forms isn't much of a stretch?

This powered-up Ladros one-shot Base Asta, and then Black Asta one-shot him in return, so clearly it's a massive jump

And like Arc said, Chopper intensifies

 

[CloverDragon03]

She is why the currently midnight sun eyes unsealed powera are 6c

They scale above her, so they can change without Sally changing

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Nuclear War would “Decimate Humanity”
Are nukes High 6-A now
Also using people living at the bottom of the ocean as an argument for them needing to vape the oceans is a terrible argument, simply vaping a few Kilometers around the area where the people are living would kill them
Anyways I disagree

So your goal is to fallaciously compare two events

 

[chosen]

They scale above her, so they can change without Sally changing

Point was if base asta was scaling to salamander (apparently he doesn't so matter anyways, was Just confirming) she Would 10× the calc

 

[CloverDragon03]

No, because the calc only applies to their Evil Eye states, not their base forms

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Nuclear War would “Decimate Humanity”
Are nukes High 6-A now
Also using people living at the bottom of the ocean as an argument for them needing to vape the oceans is a terrible argument, simply vaping a few Kilometers around the area where the people are living would kill them
Anyways I disagree

Ah yes. Because countless nuclear warheads are comparable to a single blast. I also forgot about Atlantis, though I heard it's a great place to take the family, but thanks for reminding me.

Anyways, this isn't comparable to my point. The Ocean is a grand magic region that is amped by mana and makes it so not even captain-class fighters can't pass through without special spells. Demon Licht wasn't this tactical guru that was striking every metropolitan area with precision. It was implied to be a single blast that was going to get the job done.

 

[chosen]

Btw will The posisbility that licht destruction is beyond just the clover kingdom destruction be calced?

 

[BlackAstaSenpai]

Btw will The posisbility that licht destruction is beyond just the clover kingdom destruction be calced?

DingleberryDovah did a calc on it, where he spread the damage to just the clover continent and got over 200 teratons.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Remember the Lolopechka stuff we were talking about?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

And like Arc said, Chopper intensifies

someone appreciates my humor

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So, unless I'm mistaken....

In the Witches' Forest Arc, Asta in base form is going to be High 7-A+, and as Black Asta, he's going to be High 6-A....

That's quite a leap, no? Is that amount of power difference really noted in the series?

Vetto completely stomps everyone and he would be high 6-A, Asta only surviving via help, guts and having literally learned Kiato ability to reduce in coming damage

Noelle using his true power which is wizard king level (because her potential is this high) was able to damaged Vetto but she can´t control it at 100% at this point, the same power that can damage Salamander (albeit, a weakened one)

Patry completely stomps Asta and has a fair match with Yami, who would be or high 6-A or equal to Dorothy, up to debate

And the type of stomps is literally insta blitz and easy one shots, not death because Patry are light beams that penetrate your body or Vetto literally just playing around and causing dispair, while Fana is the only serious one and by that point, Asta can already match this level of power with antimagic

 

[theultimate5105]

Sally's in her own little scaling bubble because no one scales directly to her iirc

Kinda dishonest given the Demon Licht thing is nowhere near the crux of the argument

I never said it was, I said those two pieces of support do not hold up at all

 

[chosen]

high 6-A or equal to Dorothy, up to debate

I don't think yami Would be high 6a during the fight with patry

Tho around when witch forest he Should be

 

[CloverDragon03]

Anyone below the Evil Eye Third Eye will stay as is

 

[chosen]

Multi conti liebe and base asta will hit hard

 

[Tomboy11]

Arnold drop this thing, push low 5b
Make we all rest before someone will come and make galaxy level gremmy

 

[chosen]

What the issue with Galaxy level ggremmy

 

[Tomboy11]

What the issue with Galaxy level ggremmy

Rest

 

[Testarossa002]

make galaxy level gremmy

Not if my pal Reio has anything to say about it

 

[Malekith]

Arnold drop this thing, push low 5b
Make we all rest before someone will come and make galaxy level gremmy

Wait a few months and see

 

[Ninten65]

5-B black clover? You love to see it

 

[SunDaGamer]

This powered-up Ladros one-shot Base Asta, and then Black Asta one-shot him in return, so clearly it's a massive jump

And like Arc said, Chopper intensifies

My main issue with the jump is how other characters in the next arcs will suddenly leap from High 7-A at most to High 6-A in the span of days/weeks between Pre-Timeskip arcs after the Witches' Forest and characters like Luck and Leopold will also need updated keys for other arcs otherwise they're jumping from 8-A to High 6-A

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Anyway I’m holding off this till I’m in a better headspace

 

[CloverDragon03]

My main issue with the jump is how other characters in the next arcs will suddenly leap from High 7-A at most to High 6-A in the span of days/weeks between Pre-Timeskip arcs after the Witches' Forest and characters like Luck and Leopold will also need updated keys for other arcs otherwise they're jumping from 8-A to High 6-A

Incredulity is not a reasonable ground for disagreement. Also, the High 7-A feat was back in chapter 2 and was very casual

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Arnold you crazy bastard.
I agree.

 

[Damage3245]

Incredulity is not a reasonable ground for disagreement. Also, the High 7-A feat was back in chapter 2 and was very casual

Which chapter was that spell used in again after Chapter 2?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Which chapter was that spell used in again after Chapter 2?

Don't remember off the top of my head. How come?

 

[Damage3245]

Don't remember off the top of my head. How come?

Well, I noted in the description of the calc you said this:

When looking at this feat, I realized that later on, this spell gets used again and the clouds extend beyond the horizon. We never see this in the chapter 2 version due to the limited scope of the shots we see of it (as it focused on the center that they gathered in, since the giant tree he spawns comes from there), but given that it's the exact same spell, it should be valid.

But if this feat of the spell being used again took place much later, then it's likely that the user of the spell has gotten stronger since the very beginning of the series, meaning just because the spell went to the horizon in its later usage doesn't mean it also went to the horizon in Chapter 2.

 

[CloverDragon03]

The fundamental properties of the spell did not change. In addition, the main part of the spell is not even the clouds, it is the tree that comes out of them. If anything, that would be what would change.