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Many verses have creation feats where say, the stars they created weren't part of their attacks, but they still got the scaling. It's implied Dorothy/Reve's dreams are created via her magic power since Sally talks about how strong her power was.
The issue is her Infinite 3D stuff would actually be considered an outlier because, as of right now there is nothing else near that tier. We'd need further explanation of her magic or another character with said statements/feats to accept.
I understand that, it just seems a bit inconsistent to use one of her creation feats but then ignore the other bigger one simply because nothing else is near that tier, like we haven't gotten a moon lvl or multi-cont feat from anyone have we, its just all multipliers to get to multi-cont so even under your reasoning we wouldnt have much of a basis for accepting the moon level stuff either since nothing else is near that tier rather multipliers got us there.
there is no need to use reverse psychology
Don't know where you're getting the diamond stuff from. I see craters. Dorothy/Reve creates real water that can conduct electricity and then make it explode with fire, which gives credence to it being an actual moon.
We're not immediately qualifying 5-B Black Clover solely because of these statements. We are pairing 3 statements with creation feats, a feat, and a scaling chain. So saying that we can't make 5-B Lucifero because of the statements is redundant because that isn't our argument.
Lumiere said, "Even if I block it, the Clover kingdom will..." This is implying that a small fraction of Demon Licht's power would've destroyed the clover kingdom. Because he said even if he blocked it, it would be destroyed. Which means its full non-blocked power is far greater. The narrator has several statements that Demon Licht nearly wiped out humanity, but Lumiere stopped him. This means Demon Licht's blast would've also destroyed the ocean to reach the people that live at the bottom of it, which gives direct credence to the Salamander's feat.
I understand.
My sentiments tbh.
Did you not see the High 6-A feat being proposed...
The basis of the thread is a multi-continental feat.
that's a statement, not a feat
Statements still qualify as being valid, so it's not really a relevant technicality
Yeah its basically a statement of a feat. This is like a lore statement.
It might be incredulity but the gap seems rather massive between the best feats and the values proposed as far as I'm concened. I guess there's worse stuff like DMC at tier 1 but still...
What exactly do you mean "don't look like proper moons"? they're large circular objects with craters drilled into them and are white in coloration, they exactly look like the stereotypical depiction of what a moon would look like. So i don't see how you wouldn't consider those objects moons given such blatant indications.
Lucifero's 5-B rating isn't just the singular databook statement, it's supported by the fact weaker characters like Reve can create moons within her dimension and Salamander having a High 6-A calc. Not even mentioning the massive upscaling these characters go through given the multitude of accepted multiplies, placing them relatively close or even at the Tier 5 range of power.
You're just appealing to your own increduality, being unable to accept the feat being accurate and true because of personal feelings isn't logical. Also we have actual evidence and statements which support the High 6-A feat, with characters like Reve who scales massively above the Salamander being capable of creating moons within her dimension, showing a consistent growth of power within the series. Samething with Lucifero later down the line. Just because we don't have multiple other calcs or statements which are placed at or around High 6-A doesn't mean said High 6-A feat isn't supported.
to what extent can this logic be applied ?
Still. As said before, there are supportive feats from the cast or even the (not at full power) Salamander itself which add to the credibility of the databook's statements. Not to add the fact that both statements from the databook are relatively close in terms of energy output with one being particularly precise in its numerical value ; the databook being written and supervised by Tabata himself.
Oh wait misread That part then mb here
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my b, meh that's semantics ig, but if y'all are talking about on screen feats then sure
I included it as a max end, the accepted ends are the 11.5 and 28 Petaton end
they are in a condense grand magic zone which itself makes using magic harder, which has its own "force fields", plus the witch queen's magic running through the forest defending it, with it implied she's on the same tier if not above salamander
