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Completely neutral. The only problem here is the lack of feats, but I can see this working
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BLACK CLOVER CRT: EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED
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In addition to @Arc7Kuroi points
3) with 1. and 2. one simply infers that It’s simply a perspective rather than size.
3) with 1. and 2. one simply infers that It’s simply a perspective rather than size.
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6000x the calc result is only 5-C tho (7.1476794e+29 Joules)
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This will be added if the thread is accepted. But Reve is weaker than Post-TS Magna, who is 500x weaker than 100% Dante. Tack on Fusion Lilith, and Lucifero's other increases, and you get over 6,000x. It's strongest form Lucifero.
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no not the calc
I proposed Reve to be at least baseline moon level so 6000x Reve is 5-B
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It's 6,000x Baseline 5-C Reve.
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That's possible. Though considering the context of the fight, both Dorothy and Reve made a moon.
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I don’t think so. As long as you have the AP to create one moon, you can do so multiple times without necessarily being that many times the GBE of the moon. Plus, it’s also heavily implied that Reve made one and Dorothy made another
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Ok. And it's only Lucifer's strongest form (which is currently 3.9 petatons) that scales to 6000x Reve, right?
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No they both had two moons, it’s hard to see in the manga but check the background by the Knight
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Also since no one posted the scaling ramifications for this, I will:
Evil Eye Third Eye: 28.47 petatons
Spirit Dive Yuno (RK Arc): 56.94 petatons
Elf Arc Black Asta & SD Yuno: 29.6 exatons
Zagred: 59.2 exatons
Base Dark Triad: At least 59.2 exatons
100% Dark Triad: 14.8 zettatons
Fused Twins: 29.6 zettatons
Half-Manifested Lucifero: 59.2 zettatons
Complete Megicula: 88.8 zettatons
Full Power Half-Manifested Lucifero: 88.8 zettatons
Complete Lucifero: 177.6 zettatons
Lucifero’s rating in particular is supported by his world destroying statement. It’s a bit higher than it, but we also don’t know the size of BC’s planet.
Evil Eye Third Eye: 28.47 petatons
Spirit Dive Yuno (RK Arc): 56.94 petatons
Elf Arc Black Asta & SD Yuno: 29.6 exatons
Zagred: 59.2 exatons
Base Dark Triad: At least 59.2 exatons
100% Dark Triad: 14.8 zettatons
Fused Twins: 29.6 zettatons
Half-Manifested Lucifero: 59.2 zettatons
Complete Megicula: 88.8 zettatons
Full Power Half-Manifested Lucifero: 88.8 zettatons
Complete Lucifero: 177.6 zettatons
Lucifero’s rating in particular is supported by his world destroying statement. It’s a bit higher than it, but we also don’t know the size of BC’s planet.
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Yeah
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This CRT doesn't include the 100x Zetten multiplier yet either.
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The what now?
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The new ability introduced that augments magic and anti-magic power a hundredfold via ki.
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Yeah this a ways out. Just saying that acts as a way to do FT vs BC matches.lets talk about it first
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Do any characters have any Attack Potency feats on their own (without Creation) that are remotely close to this?
Does Reve herself have any other feats?
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could you further break this down. For example, whats the elf arc jump for
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The Salamander is calced to High 6-A - High 6-A+ with the low end accepted, and there is a small upscale chain before this feat one of which has a 2x multiplier. So its not a yawning chasm.
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Salamander’s High 6-A feat, and Salamander here definitively scales below Reve, making her 5-C feat more valid
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Demon Licht's blast was going to wipe out humanity if Lumiere hadn't stopped it. Considering that people in BC live at the bottom of a magically reinforced ocean, he would need to destroy it to wipe out humanity. Which adds more credence to the salamander feat.
Reve scales considerably above High-6A characters.
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There is a 2582x gap between the value of that calc and baseline Moon level. And a roughly 5165x gap between that calc and 2x baseline Moon level as I've seen some people propose on here.
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I don’t think scaling Reve to 2x baseline Moon level is correct, so I’m gonna focus on the 2582x gap.
That’s simple power progression. Reve is significantly stronger than Salamander, so I don’t see the issue here.
That’s simple power progression. Reve is significantly stronger than Salamander, so I don’t see the issue here.
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How much stronger? What's the current scaling chain? I tried to follow it through backwards through the profiles, but got as far as Yuno being Island level+ for scaling to a character called "Bell" who doesn't have a profile from what I can tell.
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Bell is the Wind Spirit, who Yuno gained access to upon learning Wind Spirit Magic. Her magic is at least comparable to Yuno’s, if not superior. When using Spirit Dive, he fully assimilates Bell’s Magic into himself, so it’s essentially Yuno’s Magic + Bell’s Magic
And that was back in the Royal Knights Arc. The Elf Arc (where Reve appears) shows that the characters have gotten even stronger since then. Mereoleona, for example, easily stomps one of the Third Eye in their Evil Eye state, who would be High 6-A by this scaling. Asta is comparable to Mereoleona by our current scaling.
And that was back in the Royal Knights Arc. The Elf Arc (where Reve appears) shows that the characters have gotten even stronger since then. Mereoleona, for example, easily stomps one of the Third Eye in their Evil Eye state, who would be High 6-A by this scaling. Asta is comparable to Mereoleona by our current scaling.
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@CloverDragon03 It still seems like quite a large gap to me between the character's feats and this proposal for making them Moon level.
Has it ever been suggested that what is created in the Glamour World is dependent on how much magic / Attack Potency they have? From what I can tell by the description of it, they can create virtually anything they can imagine without any mention being made on them having to be "as powerful as what they create."
It seems too speculative to assume that all of her stats are Moon level based on something that appears in the background of the Glamour World and not even as part of her attacks.
Has it ever been suggested that what is created in the Glamour World is dependent on how much magic / Attack Potency they have? From what I can tell by the description of it, they can create virtually anything they can imagine without any mention being made on them having to be "as powerful as what they create."
It seems too speculative to assume that all of her stats are Moon level based on something that appears in the background of the Glamour World and not even as part of her attacks.
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Dorothy could only create clones of Yami that were as powerful as Yami in the latest arc
Yami was dispatching the clones and despite Dorothy seeing the real power, she still could not create clones as powerfull as the real Yami
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That seems to be anime-only.
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Canon as well
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well at least in the anime when reve and dorothy clash (where the moons are formed), they are actively using their grimoires, which implies some use of mana
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That doesn't really matter, upon examining the clip. Yami makes it clear that she's only imagining his past strength, not his current strength. So she only sent outdated versions of Yami against him and he overpowered them.
That doesn't mean she can't imagine something stronger than the past versions of Yami. It just means she wasn't doing that at the time.
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Tbf it's from the anime canon arc supervised by the author
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