Black Adam Spoiler Thread

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Also, we need to calc Adam's Lifting Strength since Fate and Sabacc would have the same and we need Adam to be completed first to make them

Well, we do have the accepted Class M calc from earlier

 

[ArkhamDC06]

True, though we also need to have his LS for his human self

 

[ArkhamDC06]

If I remember correctly, he's seen lifting some of the ARGUS guys in the air while fighting so maybe "At least Athletic Human"

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Btw, I've found a clip for the lightning speed stuff, maybe we can use it for a calc

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Btw, I've found a clip for the lightning speed stuff, maybe we can use it for a calc

Honestly, the scene is really weird, since while the lightning is in slow motion, there is also tons of other stuff also still moving despite being way slower than lightning, such as bullets and rockets

If I remember correctly, he's seen lifting some of the ARGUS guys in the air while fighting so maybe "At least Athletic Human"

Huh. Don't remember the exact scene, but Athletic Human is 120 - 227 kilograms, so I don't think there is a need for "At least". Or maybe, now that I'm looking at it, Peak Human?

Athletic Human	120-227	0.12-0.227	1177.2-2226.87	The weight of a mature lion.
Peak Human	227-545.2	0.227-0.5452	2226.87-5348.412	Olympic weight-lifters, professional strongmen, and powerlifters.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

But can we calc it?

Probably simply Athletic Human then

 

[T1tansg90]

Calc 3

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But can we calc it?

Sure. I think someone said it would be Massively Hypersonic+

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Calc 3

So for the LS, we have this and the punching a guy to the ocean stuff

 

[ArkhamDC06]

So now, all that's left are speed (both depowered and with the powers) and a proper justification for Adam= Supes

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

speed (both depowered and with the powers)

Depowered could probably be Peak Human. With powers would likely be either:

• "Massively Hypersonic+" for moving relative to his own lightning, until we get a calc for the feat (if we're ignoring the much slower shit shown still moving)
• "Relativistic" for being comparable to Superman, with the above lightning stuff as a supporting feat

proper justification for Adam= Supes

Maybe something like:
"Claimed to be incapable of being stopped by anyone on Earth, which wasn't refuted by Amanda Waller, who decided to send the likes of Superman to stop Black Adam"
That's what I've got so far

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Depowered could probably be Peak Human. With powers would likely be either:

• "Massively Hypersonic+" for moving relative to his own lightning, until we get a calc for the feat (if we're ignoring the much slower shit shown still moving)
• "Relativistic" for being comparable to Superman, with the above lightning stuff as a supporting feat

I'll wait for for precise calc for that part

Maybe something like:
"Claimed to be incapable of being stopped by anyone on Earth, which wasn't refuted by Amanda Waller, who decided to send the likes of Superman to stop Black Adam"
That's what I've got so far

Looks good to me. We can add that he was too strong for Hawkman and Fate as well

 

[Propellus]

The JSA should downscale considering that they were still able to somewhat harm him despite him overpowering them

 

[ArkhamDC06]

The JSA should downscale considering that they were still able to somewhat harm him despite him overpowering them

Fate's case is already pretty much settled. Hawkman would downscale as well since he could at least stagger him with his attacks. Atom and Cyclone however, I'm not so sure

 

[Propellus]

Fate's case is already pretty much settled. Hawkman would downscale as well since he could at least stagger him with his attacks. Atom and Cyclone however, I'm not so sure

I have no idea where they'd scale either

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Don't they have feats in their comics? Plus we can use Atom's size to give him a tier via sheer size and Cyclone has destructing stuff herself I believe

 

[CrisisCrysis]

Fate's case is already pretty much settled. Hawkman would downscale as well since he could at least stagger him with his attacks. Atom and Cyclone however, I'm not so sure

Didn't Atom Smasher K.O./restrain a lightning powered Black Adam for a while with a punch? About Cyclone, I have no idea.

 

[Propellus]

Didn't Atom Smasher K.O./restrain a lightning powered Black Adam for a while with a punch? About Cyclone, I have no idea.

I don't think I remember him actually harming Black

 

[CrisisCrysis]

I don't think I remember him actually harming Black

He did restrain him for a while.

 

[Propellus]

He did restrain him for a while.

Did he? I may need to rewatch the movie for that

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Iirc he dropped down on him and held him down with his hand for some time

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Yep

 

[Vforvictory7]

Was the 7-A calc not accepted?

 

[Propellus]

It is, but we're scaling the Black Adam characters to Superman due to statements

 

[ArkhamDC06]

We just need to properly spell it out to make sure it will work

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

 

[Qawsedf234]

Shouldn't the 6-C rating be a possible thing rather than a hard one? Someone thinking that only Superman can stop BA doesn't mean its correct.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Shouldn't the 6-C rating be a possible thing rather than a hard one? Someone thinking that only Superman can stop BA doesn't mean its correct.

How about Dwayne Johnson's statement that Black Adam is comparable to Superman?

 

[Propellus]

And prior to the post-credit scene, it also hints at him scaling to Superman that they're likely going to fight each other

 

[Qawsedf234]

How about Dwayne Johnson's statement

I don't think we take actor or hype statements at face value without more to it.

Especially since the quote is saying "It depends on who is playing Superman" rather than just Superman as a character in of himself.

hints at him scaling to Superman that they're likely going to fight each other

I'm not against the rating entirely. I just think we don't have a solid scale yet at the moment.

Its the same situation the Eternals are in.

 

[Propellus]

Especially since the quote is saying "It depends on who is playing Superman" rather than just Superman as a character in of himself.

It seems that he'll be facing the Henry Cavill one, considering that it was confirmed that he'll return as Superman

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

So either we have a solid High 6-C rating for Black Adam or he gets "At least 7-A, likely/possibly High 6-C". Honestly, I really don't mind either

 

[Qawsedf234]

"At least 7-A, likely/possibly High 6-C"

I think is currently better, and then whenever he does fight someone we can upgrade him. I mean, we don't rate Shazam as 8-C and the end credits scene still implies he's done stuff like arm wrestle Superman.

 

[Propellus]

But if we were to downscale the rest of the characters "(either insert whatever tier there), at most 7-A, possibly High 6-C" or just straight up "At most 7-A, possibly High 6-C"

 

[Qawsedf234]

But if we were to downscale the rest of the characters

If they're directly scaling to BA, then just "At most 7-C, likely High 6-C".

 

[ArkhamDC06]

I think is currently better, and then whenever he does fight someone we can upgrade him. I mean, we don't rate Shazam as 8-C and the end credits scene still implies he's done stuff like arm wrestle Superman.

I don't mind it either, we have a solid 7-A feat and several statements about Adam potentially being on Supes's level wich is enough to warrant a "possibly/likely".

Though tbf, about actor statements, Johnson is also a producer and had a great control over the writing. Plus, it has been officially confirmed a physical fight between Supes and Adam would happen (though this wouldn't be limited to that)

 

[T1tansg90]

Did he? I may need to rewatch the movie for that

He did, adam was actively trying to overpower atom hence the minor earthquakes he was causing before bursting out of the ground and angrily one shotting atom

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I mean, we don't rate Shazam as 8-C

Wait, we do rate Shazam as 8-C

and the end credits scene still implies he's done stuff like arm wrestle Superman.

Huh. Could that be added as a supporting justification of his "likely far higher" under Lifting Strength?

 

[Qawsedf234]

do rate Shazam as 8-C

I meant to say 6-C there. We have a statement from the movie and end credits scene that could imply Shazam scales to Superman, but we don't actually scale Shazam to Superman because there's no real evidence there.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

We have a statement from the movie and end credits scene that could imply Shazam scales to Superman, but we don't actually scale Shazam to Superman because there's no real evidence there.

Alright

Also, what do you think about what ArkhamDC06 said about Dwayne Johnson? Are his statements viable given that he is not just an actor but also a producer? I do also agree with what you said that they are also mainly to build up a ton of hype for the movie

Though tbf, about actor statements, Johnson is also a producer and had a great control over the writing.