Bill's Downgrade (Again...)

[Andytrenom]

Are "he is able to affect the time-space continuum/he is the guardian of time" and "He can eat time" actually all there is to support Time baby's rating? The first one isn't good evidence of low 2-C at all and the second one also may not be depending on context.

Saying affecting the time-space continuum makes someone low 2-C is ridiculous, anyone who punches a hole in time-space, damages the continuum through paradoxes, or has good enough time manipulation would become low 2-C.

And about Time Baby being the guardian of time. If a character was the guardian of earth, who takes care of things that threaten the earth and had the ability to manipulate earth, metal and magma. Would you say the character is 5-B based on just this?

Time baby eating time. When was he shown to or stated capable of eating an entire time-space continuum? Also is the statement "he can eat time" or "he has eaten time"/"he eats time?

 

[Elizhaa]

I disagree with the downgrade. Here are the CRT where Bill was accepted as Low 2-C, potential 2-A and where I made my points.

• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2709047#330
• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2729676

Here the threads where just Bill just gain a Low 2-C rating only.

• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2876223
• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2889309

 

[JooCipher]

oh yea, i forgot about those

yea these threads are sufficent evidence for Bill's Low 2-C(i still think the best tier for him is at least Low 2-C, likely 2-A but i digress)

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Let's not talk about 2-A when that was already debunked.

 

[JooCipher]

Low 2-C, 2-A via hax bc wank

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

@Creeplord I would advise you to stop putting "xd" after every sentence, it may prevent people from taking your arguments seriously which would be a shame if you're actually making them thoughtfully. Just reply normally, I think you're better off that way.

Okis umu

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

1-If Bill can't make another physical form after losing one, then that compltely ***** on the entire plot of Weirdmageddon and it would be ilogical. Bill has Low Godly regen that was proved multiple times via creating a physical form from nothing

2-Read the orther threads, Shacktron is inconsistent to the power scaling and as such, it's treated as an outlier

3-Bill was literally projecting his end goal to Stanford. Not an outlier via Bill knowing about his goons's powers

4-If he can't manipulate the space time continuum, why does he have the job to begin with?

5-Already explained multiple times. Time Baby can eat time as a whole, Universal+ as I've explained before

6-It's illogical.If that were the case someone like Oracle, who is implied to have connections to the verse's supreme being(who is quite literraly viewd as GOD) whouldn bother to help Stanford save, ya know,everyone in existence from the guy

7-Still,he destroyed a 2-D universe. He should be able to do the same to a 3-D one

In conclusion: Stop.Downplaying.Bill

1- How this affects the entire plot of Weirdmageddon? Also as I remember in the mind of Stanley he destroyed easily his body, and Bill didn't regenerated from this, soooo...

Btw he just create his physical body one time, you need to prove me that Bill can regenerate that body, because create=/=regenerate.

2- I still waiting something that really proves me how the Shacktron part is a PIS.

3- Sure, still being a serious outlier that contradicts everything in the serie, and also this of "his end goal" doesn't prove me how this is not an outlier. The other thing of "Bill knowing the power of his goons" it's just a specullation that doesn't proves nothing.

4- Again, I didn't said that Time Baby doesn't manipulate space-time. I'm saying that Time Baby doesn't have the power to manipulate the entire space-time of an universe, and also how manipulate space-time gives you Uniersal+ power??? It's like say "N. Tropy is Uiversal+ because he can manipulate time", just incoherent.

5- No, simply no. This scan only says "A time-devouring Baby", how this proves he can eat the past, present and future time???

6- How this proves that Bill is Low 2-C??

7- It's still being a 2 dimensional fodder space with an unknown size and he """destroyed it""" whith unknown methods. Doesn't helps to scale him.

And nope, City Level it's the accurate tier my friend.

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Okay, so MAYBE Bill could be downgraded, but 7-B is FAR too much downplay.

 

[Elizhaa]

Creeplord, TIme Baby can manipulated space-time via Time Wish from his powers and it is what gave Causality Manipulation

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Creeplord, TIme Baby can manipulated space-time via Time Wish from his powers and it is what gave Causality Manipulation

And this is universal+ because...

 

[GreyFang82]

Creeplord don't forget to check out the past revisions

 

[Elizhaa]

Creeplord, TIme Baby can manipulated space-time via Time Wish from his powers and it is what gave Causality Manipulation

And this is universal+ because...

Bill Cipher explained that after he incapacited Time Baby that he control all time in "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls" which highlighting it is likely universal+.

Bill	Ah, sharp as ever, Fordsy. As you may have noticed...I've recently had a (Voice echoingmulti-dimensional makeover. (Stops echoing and rearranges the room's furniture) I control space, matter, and now that that dumb baby's out of the way, time itself! But I wasn't always this way. (Everything falls to the floor)

 

[Andytrenom]

@Eli That's just time manipulation tho. He wouldn't have universal+ AP for this.

 

[Elizhaa]

@Eli That's just time manipulation tho. He wouldn't have universal+ AP for this.

It was accepted as Causality Manipulation in another CRT.

 

[Andytrenom]

I highly doubt ''that'' statement was accepted as causality manipulation. You sure it didn't come from somewhere else?

 

[JooCipher]

the time wishes were accepted as Causality Manipulation from what I recall

 

[Elizhaa]

I highly doubt that statement was accepted as causality manipulation. You sure it didn't come from somewhere else?

Yes, it was acepted in a CRT. Time baby's time Wish can alter time paradox free, can give wish any wish like making Soos Ramirez meet his father who he never meet as a child which he rejected, made item like infinite pizza, could have been used by Blendin Blandi to wish the twins out of existence. Time Wish are made from TIme Baby's powers.

https://gravityfalls.fandom.com/wiki/Time_wish

 

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[Andytrenom]

He would actually end up stronger if he became a 7-B with all his hax

 

[Elizhaa]

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Even at worst, Bill stated that he have infinite power and just in case, a casual High 3-A feat for Bill is Mabelband: Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot, in this CRT stated that "It contains an infinite amount of energy which allows your desires to be completely and utterly fulfilled."

There, in the thread. a past Tier 7 or 8 downgrade was also rejected.

 

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[The_Causality]

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Bill Cipher explained that after he incapacited Time Baby that he control all time in "Weirdmageddon 3: Take Back The Falls" which highlighting it is likely universal+.

And how this is Universal+?? I mean he says control time ok, but this is not AP it's just a hax.

 

[Andytrenom]

If "remaking the world" is actually him literally remaking the universe he would have a good justification for low 2-C right there. Is is referring to that though?

 

[JooCipher]

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remove his hax and just put "a dorito with a hat and a tie" in his power and abilities

 

[Elizhaa]

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Even at worst, Bill stated that he have infinite power and just in case, a casual High 3-A feat for Bill is Mabelband: Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot, in this CRT stated that "It contains an infinite amount of energy which allows your desires to be completely and utterly fulfilled."
There, in the thread. a past Tier 7 or 8 downgrade was also rejected.

I never noticed, Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot stated also: "Time Baby controls the main GF timeline and is capable of creating wishes which can rewrite the whole thing, which he can then grant to others as he sees fit. This is Low 2-C."

 

[Read_this_post]

If true then he should be reupgraded unless debunked ^

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Creeplord don't forget to check out the past revisions

Can you pass me again that revisions plz?? :v

 

[JooCipher]

Creeplord don't forget to check out the past revisions

Can you pass me again that revisions plz?? :v

• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2709047#330
• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2729676
• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2876223
• https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2889309

here ya go

 

[Elizhaa]

Creeplord don't forget to check out the past revisions

Can you pass me again that revisions plz?? :v

I already linked them above, Creeplord.

 

[Elizhaa]

If true then he should be reupgraded unless debunked ^

Yeah, he should be re-upgrade with better justifications with the Time Wish and Azathoth's justification. Govern was the wrong word, in my view. Also, his Causality Manipulation would also give Existence Erasure too.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Ty xd

 

[JooCipher]

i belive Bill(or Axololt, since Time Baby's race praise him as God if i'm not mistaken) scales to time baby so he gets EE as well?

 

[JooCipher]

Axolotl gets revenge for Bill via erasing Asriel from existence with by thinking y/n?

 

[Elizhaa]

Upgrading and discussion about upgrading the characters tiers or abilities would be best in another CRT because it is offtopic and derailing here. In any case, this CRT looks rejected to me.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If Bill gets EE, I'll eat a blender.

If he gets EE i'm throwing him against the EE lord :v

 

[JooCipher]

If Bill gets EE, I'll eat a blender.

If he gets EE i'm throwing him against the EE lord :v

Reinhard throws his spear FRA

 

[Kirby71]

Plot twist: Bill cipher was killed by Gold Experience Requiem and is trapped un a loop of downgrades and upgrades.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Plot twist: Bill cipher was killed by Gold Experience Requiem and is trapped un a loop of downgrades and upgrades.

I lol'd too hard for my own good :´v

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

How this CRT ends like this??? :V

Homewer, I want to see when the Time Baby stated that he controls the timeline, or why his wishes can scale from his AP