Bill's Downgrade (Again...)

[Jinsye]

Reddit account is canon. Bill specifically talks about ripping apart Time Baby's molecules which is later done in the show.

If you're telling me that Bill is somehow City level, it's feasibly impossible for him to even be remotely described as a threat to the multiverse even if he had dimensional travel.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

to quote from Shadow's thread
"Time Baby is only referring to the universe. He refers to Bill's rip in "this dimension", which would make sense for the "fabric of existence" to be the universe's space-time continuum (a multiverse isn't a fabric after all). Additionally, here, Bill says "finally your dimension will be free", which only implies Bill threatening the universe."

"In conclusion, Bill is Low 2-C, and only that because the context doesn't imply that he can actually bust the multiverse in one go, but rather he's a threat to it because he has the ability to travel to different universes and use his reality warping shenanigans to mess around with them."

This only proves my argument xd.

Yeah the Time Baby only refers to the universe, but what about the part that he says "If your 'rip in this dimension 'Continues"??? Thanks to this we can conclude that it's talking about a Chain Reaction rather a One Shot Destruction

And this of the dimension will be free doesn't supports nothing, only is refering about the mess that Bill can bring if he use shenanigans of his warp xdd

 

[JooCipher]

Time Baby is going to get upgraded to Low 2-C btw
also: "I ASK YOU WHY SHOULD TIME ONLY MOVE FORWARD WHY MUST CAUSE PRECEDE EFFECT WHO VOTED ON THE LAWS OF PHYSICS RULES ARE PERVERSIONS AGAINST ALL WILL THAT'S WHY IM ABOUT TO REWRITE THE WHOLE SYSTEM BUDDY AND NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP ME "

this seems pretty confident

>Show me one, at least one of the Time Baby Low 2-C feats.
>And how this can help to support at least the 3-A of Bill?? If this is true (btw you didn't prove me that the Reddit account is canon to the serie) it will be only Law Manip, not an AP feat.

Also, the Law Manip is not applicable to Bill alright???

the reddit ama predicted a LOT of what would happen in the series(Bill getting a physical body, him hating time baby and the dissable molecules thing) and Alex's tweets before the AMA support this

so yea, apllicable to the main series

It's not Combat applicable, but Bill can use it

Time Baby devours time and is the Guardian of Time and Space(Bill was in violation of the rules of Space Time btw)

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

the reddit ama predicted a LOT of what would happen in the series(Bill getting a physical body, him hating time baby and the dissable molecules thing) and Alex's tweets before the AMA support this

so yea, apllicable to the main series

It's not Combat applicable, but Bill can use it

Time Baby devours time and is the Guardian of Time and Space(Bill was in violation of the rules of Space Time btw)

Yeeaah, and the links/proves??

And again if we assume that this is true, this is only via his law manip, something that is not applicable to his AP.

Pfff, I saw before that of "devour time/space" xd. Well how this proves he is universal+??? It's just a time manip feat, is not the same to say he can do this to an universal scale.

And that of be the "guardian" how proves that he is universal+??? Hell this is the same as the thing of the "threat" xdxd. Ad this of "violating the rules" is not applicable, I didn't a scenario when this is applicable to scale his AP.

 

[Dziga]

 

[JooCipher]

Time Baby Guards the space-time continuum, this is supported by the fact that Time Baby went out to stop problems that "violated the rules of space-time" and went out to stop problems that threatened the space-time continuum itself which would further justify the Universal+ rating.

Bill casually one shotted him

also, Universal revisions

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Time Baby Guards the space-time continuum, this is supported by the fact that Time Baby went out to stop problems that "violated the rules of space-time" and went out to stop problems that threatened the space-time continuum itself which would further justify the Universal+ rating.
Bill casually one shotted him

also, Universal revisions

Alright alright Time Baby "guards" space-tine continuum, how this proves that he is universal+???

Again this is not enough to says that Time Baby is Low 2-C, it's just some kind of "work" that he has.

Btw Time Baby has no physical feats ;v.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Also I drafted to says this simple meme stomps the dorito :VVVVVVVvv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSd86v2U7Gs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySMjlL35unE

 

[JooCipher]

Time Baby can can change time with ease and can eat and drink time

he can eat time ITSELF and gets send to fix problems that pose threat to space-time, impling that he can affect the space time continuum

if that isn't Low 2-C idk what it is

also, a City buster wouldn't be considered the biggest threat to the infinite multiverse

 

[Andytrenom]

Eating time could be low 2-C if he just straight up eats an entire time space continuum. The 2nd thing most definitely isn't unless you think someone who travels to the past to prevent time paradoxes is low 2-C just for that.

 

[JooCipher]

well if we go by the definition of time: "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole". He eats it as a whole(idk if this is a good example but: a timeline)

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Time Baby can can change time with ease and can eat and drink time
he can eat time ITSELF and gets send to fix problems that pose threat to space-time, impling that he can affect the space time continuum

if that isn't Low 2-C idk what it is

also, a City buster wouldn't be considered the biggest threat to the infinite multiverse

When he "change" time??

This of "eat and drink" time is not enough, it's just like the thing of "devour time". And this of "fix" threats in space-time, idk how this put him into Low 2-C.

Don't worry, I will answer that.

It's Questionable Level+++++++++

Why not??? Still being 7-B he can be a threat xd.

 

[LukaSolosYourVerse]

By the end of this year Bill's going to be the strongest wall level in history

 

[JooCipher]

7-B when his minions can use planets as playthings

seems legit

also, If Bill where 7-B there wouldn't be the need to save everyone in existence from the dude

 

[JooCipher]

By the end of this year Bill's going to be the strongest wall level in history

nah fam he is gonna be the strongest 10-C bc he is obviously a dorito with a hat

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

well if we go by the definition of time: "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole". He eats it as a whole(idk if this is a good example but: a timeline)

Bruh

This is not a good example, someone can affect the present time, other can affect the future time, and another can affect the past time.

If we use your example, so someone that has RW can use ALL of the RW derivates just only because he has RW xdxdxd.

-Pitifully in the spanish community there are some little group that thinks what I say before u,u-

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

By the end of this year Bill's going to be the strongest wall level in history

XDD

 

[Ercosore]

He is going to end up being 11-C at his strongest, somehow.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

7-B when his minions can use planets as playthings
seems legit

also, If Bill where 7-B there wouldn't be the need to save everyone in existence from the dude

When his minions used planets as toys??? :v

 

[Andytrenom]

He wouldn't be close to the strongest 9-B if he became that tier with all his hax, amazingly.

 

[JooCipher]

7-B when his minions can use planets as playthings
seems legit

also, If Bill where 7-B there wouldn't be the need to save everyone in existence from the dude

When his minions used planets as toys??? :v

https://prnt.sc/nhs6e2

here

 

[JooCipher]

He wouldn't be close to the strongest 9-B if he became that tier with all his hax, amazingly.

only bc 9-B is full of smurfs

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

https://prnt.sc/nhs6e2

here

Oh that scene xd. Well this is just an illusion that he shows to Stanford, also I see this like an obviously outlier.

 

[JooCipher]

1- It's not an illusion, it's a projection

2- I'm pretty sure Bill knows his goons's powers

not an outlier

 

[TriforcePower1]

>Bill Downgrades

>Tier 7/8

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Following just cause I gotta see how this goes.

Dis gun b gud

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

1- It's not an illusion, it's a projection
2- I'm pretty sure Bill knows his goons's powers

not an outlier

1- The same thing, idk how this qualify to put Bill's to any level higher to City

2- Maybe, but doesn't change nothing

Pretty sure it's an enormous outlier xd

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

>Bill Downgrades
>Tier 7/8

No U >:'^

Okno xddd

 

[Dvorak1902]

By the end of this year Bill's going to be the strongest wall level in history

John Taylor says hi

A terribly haxxed character says hi in every tier, with the possible exception of Tier High 7-C.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

Btw if I radomly disappear it's because I fall asleep or I have no battery :v/

 

[JooCipher]

anyway, to sum up my point:

Shacktron is Plot Induced Stupidity, as well as the eye thing(Bill created a physical form while he was lacking one, hence low godly)

Bill is at least Low 2-C via universal control over time and space and one shotting Time Baby, who is Low 2-C via being able to eat and drink time itself and being send to fix problems in the time space continuum, meaning he can affect it

Bill's friends are At least 5-B since they can play around with planets

and with that, I close my case

but if you want I can call some knowledgeable members

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

anyway, to sum up my point:
Shacktron is Plot Induced Stupidity, as well as the eye thing(Bill created a physical form while he was lacking one, hence low godly)

Bill is at least Low 2-C via universal control over time and space and one shotting Time Baby, who is Low 2-C via being able to eat and drink time itself and being send to fix problems in the time space continuum, meaning he can affect it

Bill's friends are At least 5-B since they can play around with planets

and with that, I close my case

Well... before I come to sleep

>Shacktron is not PIS, and you will need to prove more about that. Again Bill only create the body but you need to prove that Bill can regen this physical body. Otherway he has not Low-Godly regen.

And again if this is true will be only via Law Manip, something that doesn't qualify to AP. Time Baby doesn't have Low 2-C AP because of that, and of course he do this in an unknown scale so doesn't serve to qualify his AP, and that of being send to fix the issues doesn't qualify.

Bill's projection is an Higher Dimensional Outlier.

And now I fall asleep. Goodnight and have a good life, hope your dreams became true and succeed in life :v/.

Maybe tomorrow I will continue this xd.

 

[JooCipher]

1-It's basic Regenerationn and it's been comproved multiple times to be Low Godly, as Bill should be able to replicate the feat multiple times(if he loses the body, he can just make another one from his mind, it's simple logic)

2-Shacktron is way too inconsistent and, as such, can be seen as an outlier

3-Bill isn't an idiot, he should be able to know that his minions can play around with planets

4- If he can't affect the time space continuum....then why the hell does he even bother to go and fix it if he knows he can't

5-Time Baby devours time itself, aka "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole"(it's literally the definition of time)

6- A threat to the infinite multiverse can't be 7-B, it's irracional

7-Bill destroyed his home universe as a 2-D, but somehow can't do it as a 3-D?

In conclusion: Bill IS Low 2-C

 

[Spinoirr]

Exactly as joo said

 

[QrowBarr]

I'll let this stay open. People need their opinions heard.

stop suppressing the need to close this

 

[Dragopentling]

Just close this, please. The crapfest from the 2A downgrade thread a while back was already bad enough.

 

[Azh'Voroph_the_Crypt_Lord]

1-It's basic Regenerationn and it's been comproved multiple times to be Low Godly, as Bill should be able to replicate the feat multiple times(if he loses the body, he can just make another one from his mind, it's simple logic)
2-Shacktron is way too inconsistent and, as such, can be seen as an outlier

3-Bill isn't an idiot, he should be able to know that his minions can play around with planets

4- If he can't affect the time space continuum....then why the hell does he even bother to go and fix it if he knows he can't

5-Time Baby devours time itself, aka "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future regarded as a whole"(it's literally the definition of time)

6- A threat to the infinite multiverse can't be 7-B, it's irracional

7-Bill destroyed his home universe as a 2-D, but somehow can't do it as a 3-D?

In conclusion: Bill IS Low 2-C

1- Nope is not the same xd. Maybe you can create Something but this will be a Creation hax instead Regenerationn. Also, if this is truly low-godly regen it's totally inapplicable to him xd.

2- Yeeah, why?? I mean, there is no inconsistency in that scene, so what is the inconsistency here??

3- Chotto Matte :v, that parte that is totally an outlier, because it's just only a projection that is totally inconsistent to what does Bill showed in the series is valid to make PS, but the part of the Shacktron nope??? Xdd.

Of course, Bill is not an idiot, but rather he's a cheater and manipulator. He will use everything that he can to obtain his main objective.

4- Idk, maybe because is his job. Also I didn't said that he can't manipulate space-time, What I said is he can't do this to an universal scale, and your examples are not enough toqualify an AP.

5- Simply not x,d. I tell you before why this is a terrible example.

6- Why not?? Remember we are talking about fiction, this is possible.

7- First of all, it's a ******* 2D dimension xdxdxd, totally lower dimensional.

Second, maybe you know is not enough to say that he destroy that dimension, because his size is unknown, and the way of how he destroy it it's totally unknown to.

Nah Bill it's Just 7-B xd.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Creeplord I would advise you to stop putting "xd" after every sentence, it may prevent people from taking your arguments seriously which would be a shame if you're actually making them thoughtfully. Just reply normally, I think you're better off that way.

 

[JooCipher]

1- Nope is not the same xd. Maybe you can create Something but this will be a Creation hax instead Regenerationn. Also, if this is truly low-godly regen it's totally inapplicable to him xd.

2- Yeeah, why?? I mean, there is no inconsistency in that scene, so what is the inconsistency here??

3- Chotto Matte :v, that parte that is totally an outlier, because it's just only a projection that is totally inconsistent to what does Bill showed in the series is valid to make PS, but the part of the Shacktron nope??? Xdd.

Of course, Bill is not an idiot, but rather he's a cheater and manipulator. He will use everything that he can to obtain his main objective.

4- Idk, maybe because is his job. Also I didn't said that he can't manipulate space-time, What I said is he can't do this to an universal scale, and your examples are not enough toqualify an AP.

5- Simply not x,d. I tell you before why this is a terrible example.

6- Why not?? Remember we are talking about fiction, this is possible.

7- First of all, it's a ******* 2D dimension xdxdxd, totally lower dimensional.

Second, maybe you know is not enough to say that he destroy that dimension, because his size is unknown, and the way of how he destroy it it's totally unknown to.

Nah Bill it's Just 7-B xd.

1-If Bill can't make another physical form after losing one, then that compltely ***** on the entire plot of Weirdmageddon and it would be ilogical. Bill has Low Godly regen that was proved multiple times via creating a physical form from nothing

2-Read the orther threads, Shacktron is inconsistent to the power scaling and as such, it's treated as an outlier

3-Bill was literally projecting his end goal to Stanford. Not an outlier via Bill knowing about his goons's powers

4-If he can't manipulate the space time continuum, why does he have the job to begin with?

5-Already explained multiple times. Time Baby can eat time as a whole, Universal+ as I've explained before

6-It's illogical.If that were the case someone like Oracle, who is implied to have connections to the verse's supreme being(who is quite literraly viewd as GOD) whouldn bother to help Stanford save, ya know,everyone in existence from the guy

7-Still,he destroyed a 2-D universe. He should be able to do the same to a 3-D one

In conclusion: Stop.Downplaying.Bill

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just pointing out that if a character destroys a 2-D universe it doesn't mean he can destroy a 3-D one for very obvious reasons.

With that out of the way I gotta say I'm disappointed this wasn't a shitstorm as I expected but I agree this is downplay.