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Bill Dura/AP and Speed

There's two acausalities in the P&A, can someone please remove it?
 
Yeah, though I kinda think Axolotl could be just straight up 2-A.
 
Ye, also should Time Baby still be High 3-A or should be Low 2-C?
 
I would agree Low 2-C. Even if this proposal is disagreed , he would likely be Tier 2 anyway after the tiering 3-A revision is done later this year.
 
Elizhaa said:
I would agree Low 2-C. Even if this proposal is disagreed , he would likely be Tier 2 anyway after the tiering 3-A revision is done later this year.
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tiering 3 revision?
 
Also the several abilities in "Before Liberation" is supposed to be in "Full Power" section. I'll change it though someone needs it unlock the page.
 
What I meant was that some abilities should only be in "Full Power" (like madness bubbles, data manip, weather manip, and techno manip)
 
Bill claimed Data Manip and Techno Manip in his reddit post before he had his full power so he keeps those.
 
Forgot about that, something about spreading false nuclear attacks in social media? Okay.
 
Don't waste your time here anymore tbh, these are never gonna go anywhere. Not like any compitent debaters take VSB wiki's tiers and character profiles seriously anyway lmao.
 
@Awsometime

We are doing our best, but we have a ridiculous number of profiles to take care of.

Anyway, that is derailment. Let's focus on solving the main issue please.
 
Thank you.

I am not sure. People seem extremely uncertain what Bill should be rated as.

It could be either "At least ..., at most ..." or just "Unknown".
 
I don't know why he still has the "Unknown" rating, should prob be removed.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to get heated on this thread of the FF one. I just get annoyed when I believe things are being enforced or applied inconsistently, but I do realize you have a lot to keep track of.
 
Bill should be "Low 2-C, likely/possibly 2-A", definitely without that Unknown.
 
For speed I would certainly recommend "Infinite, likely/possibly immeasurable"

We know that threatening an infinite multiverse over a finite amount of time is inherently infinite. That's the definition of infinite speed as, even if you wanted to say he would do it overtime, he's still traveling an infinite amount of distance to do so. Possibly immeasurable because transcending time is inherently immeasurable
 
Awsometime said:
For speed I would certainly recommend "Infinite, likely/possibly immeasurable"
We know that threatening an infinite multiverse over a finite amount of time is inherently infinite. That's the definition of infinite speed as, even if you wanted to say he would do it overtime, he's still traveling an infinite amount of distance to do so.
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No, that's not enough to have infinite speed.

Many 2-As can destroy the multiverse, but we don't just give them infinite speed ofr that.
 
Why not? I just proved that that's inherently infinite to be able to do. It's traveling an infinite distance in a finite amount of time. Prove how that's wrong.
 
The multiverse wouldn't even be a tri-dimensional distance anyway.

And Dimensional Travel is a thing.
 
The definition of infinite used on the speed page here is incorrectly describing it. It combines the tiers of infinite and inaccessible together, which doesn't make any sense as the feats are completely different, I'll be making a thread on that soon where I explain how the speed equation works
 
Like with other things, trying to smack too much logic over fiction is just useless.

Any tier two should be immesurable, period. Do you think fiction cares?
 
Ok? So he travels from universe to universe one at a time and ends up destroying them all, in which there are an infinite amount. That's still infinite speed, dimensional travel is irrelevant in this case. You're destroying an infinite number of universes in a finite amount of time.
 
You don't need to destroy individual universes one at a time to, well, destroy infinite universes. Even then, if you do that you're basically just Low 2-C with 2-C range.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Like with other things, trying to smack too much logic over fiction is just useless.

Any tier two should be immesurable, period. Do you think fiction cares?
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Are you seriously saying we can't apply logic to fiction?

Applying logic to fiction is essentially the definition of power scaling. You're implying that calcs can never be used because it's fiction, that's not an argument.

You can assume that an idea, object, or concept in fiction functions just like its real-world counterpart so long as the fiction doesn't contradict it, that's called a least-assumption.

Furthermore, this site uses the speed equation to define immeasurable, your argument is inconsistent with itself
 
When it contradicts it, no.

That is not what I am saying, no.

Yes. And I just said that fiction ***** it over nearly every time. Bull has not one speed feat, and he has plenty anti-feats.

When shown. It uses it when it is actually shown.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
What? No.

His whole point was a never ending party.
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Well now you're just flat out changing your premise. Make up your mind. Is the definition of infinite speed I used incorrect, or is applying it to Bill incorrect? I'm not going to debate both simeltaniously so make up your mind.
 
I made up my mind from the start. Aplying logic that is blatantly contradicted is not something you can do.

It is unaplicable in nearly every instance I saw it.
 
How could an attack with 2-C range not have infinite speed?

For a bullet fired from a gun to be able to reach the end of an infinite 3D space, how fast would the bullet have to be?

Infinitely fast, that is the point of what I'm saying
 
Awsometime said:
"No."
Nice rebuttal
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Sorry for assuming that the idea of not aplying logic to fiction when it is blatantly contradicted doesn't need to be justified.

Especially since you agreed with that in the third line of your own comment.
 
You clearly didn't make up your mind from the start, as you've completely changed your premise mid-debate.

You still have yet to debunk how traveling an infinite amount of distance in a finite amount of time is not infinite speed. Do you even know what the speed equation is?
 
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